Photos From The Riot In London & Pic Of Prince Charles & Camilla Reacting As Car Was Attacked

[Turborama]

Ongoing story in LBN (there are still thousands of protesters on the streets): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4650873

Video: How The Student Protests Developed: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Video-How-The-Student-Protests-Developed-As-Violent-Clashes-Increase-Ahead-Of-Tuition-Fees-Vote/Article/201012215850861?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Page_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15850861_Video:_How_The_Student_Protests_Developed_As_Violent_Clashes_Increase_Ahead_Of_Tuition_Fees_Vote














A police officer kicks a demonstrator during a protest against an increase in tuition fees on the edge of Parliament
Square in London, Thursday, Dec. 9, 2010.


Protesters and police officers clash during a demonstration against an increase in tuition fees, on the edge of Parliament
Square in London, Thursday, Dec. 9, 2010.






A fire burns in Parliament Square, Westminster, London, as students demonstrate against planned tuition fee increases
Thursday Dec. 9, 2010.


Police stand ready to meet students during a demonstration in Parliament Square near the Palace of Westminster about
the increase in University fees in London, Thursday, Dec., 9, 2010.


British riot police clash with protesters outside Parliament Square in London on Thursday as the government approved plans to increase fees paid by university students despite a rebellion by members of the coalition government.


A protestor throws a brick at the window of the Treasury building during student demonstrations in Parliament Square, in London.


Riot police hold their shields up to protect windows inside the Treasury in Parliament Square.



Britain's Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall react as their car is attacked, in London, Thursday, Dec. 9, 2010. An Associated Press photographer saw demonstrators kick the car in Regent Street, in the heart of London's shopping district. The car then sped off. Charles' office, Clarence House, confirmed that "their royal highnesses' car was attacked by protesters on the way to their engagement at the London Palladium this evening, but their royal highnesses are unharmed."


The Rolls Royce after the attack.

Video footage of the car: http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/12/09/prince.charles.car.attack.cnni

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. For the record that vehicle is armored

that includes the windows...

Why I am VERY impressed.

[Catherina]

2. Me too. Very. n/t

[StarburstClock]

32. Looks like that armor is the only thing that saved them

It won't take many events like that for our riot police to start testing out their latest weapons on people.

[daleo]

65. The perception of a (reasonably) fair deal is what saves the rich

In any country. Take that away - all the armor and cops in the country aren't enough.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. And from a VIP preoction perspective

their team blew it in so many ways... for starters I am surprised, and so is my husband, the driver did NOT floor it.

Yes, if you ever had a VIP surrounded like that, this is a fair assumption...

I am aware people would have died, and I upset Charles gave the order not to, and the driver, who is his driver untilo they get home, listened to him.

[Agent William]

56. I'm going to London tomorrow...

Here's to hoping the whole thing hasn't fizzled out by then.

B-)

[Boudica the Lyoness]

88. You better be careful

I hope it's fizzled out by the time you get there!
;-)

[Liberal_in_LA]

84. fancy

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Oh trust me very fancy

we had one that was armored that we had to ahem open up to get patients out.

Trust me... cut points are NOT published, and just getting rid of the windows proved ahem, tricky. the usual tricks... let's just say my window punch died a painful death that day and my hand hurts just thinking about it. That was the first clue this was not a regular rescue.

Incidentally, this is why I was not shocked it took so long for the Paris Fire Department to get Diana out of that mess. We ruined three blades of the Jaws of Life... until we accidentally found the points.

[SkyDaddy7]

169. Did not look armored to me.

[Love Bug]

3. I would never advocate violence, but what will it take before we take to the streets?

Why aren't we protesting?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. We have but our media don't bother showing

so we need to do it in spite of coverage.

[robinlynne]

6. That's true.

[intheflow]

91. The media would show it if we were lighting fires

on the Elipse like these protesters did in Parliament Square. But anything short of violence doesn't get coverage. Which puts the left - the peace-loving left - in a hellova bind. :(

[Name removed]

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[MrsCorleone]

115. Just curious. Has this been covered by any of the TV networks? FOX, MSNBC, CNN? nt

[Turborama]

118. I found this clip on YouTube of Faux covering the daytime scuffles...

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ_MacA9-Xk

Not sure if they've covered any more than that, though.

[MrsCorleone]

119. Thanks!

[Turborama]

138. Just found an MSNBC clip about this, too

This is how they reported the attack on Charles as the news broke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0qVPCq-N38

[MrsCorleone]

174. Great. Thank you.

I haven't been monitoring TV news the past couple of days. Good to know that there's at least some coverage.

[xxqqqzme]

165. I saw it last night

on The Daily Show I think.

[name not needed]

10. The media has spent the past few decades telling us protests don't accomplish anything

so we might as well sit down, shut up, and stay home.

[Capitalocracy]

36. I think we should put that theory to the test. nt

[molly77]

93. I want a Julian Assange mask.

[Agent William]

51. I feel you but

Didn't the WTO riots have some effect? Peaceful protests may not work because they do not dominate the news cycle. When windows are smashed and police vehicles are burned, the cameras are quick to follow.

[intheflow]

92. They may have but

9-11 squelched that dissidence down pretty quick. No one wants to be associated with terrorists - which is how the CM would paint such protests today.

[GCP]

99. So which is the Land of the Free now?

I've always said the UK was freer than here - I think I've been proven right.

[Hannah Bell]

79. along with a certain percent of DU.

[Xicano]

13. Here's some examples

and listen to the lady at the end of this video..

http://www.youtube.com/user/glassbeadian#p/u/10/rNDQmm_TEMw

[kas125]

59. Yes, there are many examples of people here protesting.

I was at the RNC in St. Paul and saw myself in the video you posted.

[Downtown Hound]

159. Respect to all you guys and gals at the RNC

The show of defiance you put on in the face of overwhelming pig violence was truly inspiring. You will never get your deserved place in the annals of civil rights warriors, but in my opinion, you deserve to go down in history for what you did. Thanks so very much.

[northernlights]

31. when we crank state university and community college tuition by 300%

20% rise is one thing. You can get through it.

A 300% rise for somebody who is halfway or 3/4s of the way to a degree is simply ruinous. No way to finish. No way to pay off the loans.

[CreekDog]

57. We have raised tuition 300%

When I graduated the University of Arizona in 1996, tuition was about $900 per semester.

Now it's around $3000.

[tblue37]

89. KU's tuition, including in-state tuition, has been rising hugely, too.

Back in the 1970s, it was probably the cheapest solid college education in the country, even for out-of-staters. But now even in-state students end up deeply in debt.

[Scruffy1]

182. Out state tuition was $800 a year when I went.

Guess that pretty well tells my age.

[blueamy66]

148. I want to take one class at Mesa Community College

next semester...want to become fluent in Spanish....$71 a credit hour....that's $284 for the class, without books or reg fees.

Unbelievable. When I went to ASU, I paid less than $1000 for a full class load.

Something has to give....

[northernlights]

167. not year over year. try to imagine tuition rising from $3,000 this year to 10,000 next

It's not like you paid $900/year for 3 years and suddenly had tuition rise to $2700 for the final year.

I'm paying $4,500/year right now where I'm at (year round). If tuition rose to $14,500/year NEXT YEAR -- I would not be able to complete the degree, would not be able to get board certification and would not be able to earn the income to pay off the loans I took out. I would be financially ruined.

When students here have invested 3 years in school and suddenly wake up and are told -- without warning -- that their final year will cost the same as the 3 years prior...then you may see riots on campus.

Although given our short-fused, well-armed cops, maybe not. Nobody was shot at or killed in London's riots. Can't say the same about Kent State, can we?

[roguevalley]

34. I would be there. I used to watch the daily riot outside the South

african embassy during Nelson Mandella's incarceration on the steps of the church across the street.

[Foo Fighter]

116. Oh I'm sure we'll get to it.

However, it will have to be scheduled so people can get home in time to catch American Idol. That kind of limits things a bit.

[Stevenmarc]

164. What would it take?

The internet to go down, then everyone would have to put on their pants and go outside.

[sirthomas66]

168. That is my question too. What is the matter with us?

[inna]

5. Wow! K&R

[leftstreet]

7. K&R

:applause:

[Lars39]

8. Looks like Charles is fuddling a response and Camilla is yelling "MOVE"

to the driver.

[Raschel]

30. Her espression looks like, "the audacity!!"

[savannah43]

70. I've seen Camilla's expression on wild monkeys, too.

So all the problems of this country ARE global? The attack on education. Austerity for the poor, prosperity for the rich. Misery better love company.

[Raschel]

98. I wonder if they will put the big royal wedding for Will on hold for awhile.

[otohara]

9. What's Camilla Saying

Holy shit Charles, don't worry I'll protect you!

[ljm2002]

11. "Our Austerity, Their Prosperity"

I like it. Nice slogan. Maybe we can borrow it...

[TalkingDog]

26. The Adopt a Billionaire Charity Drive has taken it as their slogan.

But I guess we can share....

[CJCRANE]

12. Dramatic pictures.

Like a modern version of torches and pitchforks.

[Waiting For Everyman]

14. K&R For the students, standing up for themselves! This is so wrong.

It's wrong everywhere. Solidarity with them!

Thanks for the pics. The top one says it all.

[Catherina]

66. I gave that distinction to the third photo

:hi:

Solidarity!

[AngryAmish]

15. fantastic!

good show! Look at their faces - this is what we want them to feel.

[CJCRANE]

17. "The peasants are revolting!"

"Yes dear, they are rather revolting, I quite agree".

[reggie the dog]

42. LMFAO

:) :) :)

[mdmc]

47. 1

[walldude]

53. Yeah and they stink on ice!

Sorry.. Mel Brooks :)

[remember2000forever]

18. That's a priceless picture of Charles and Camilla...

Why do I have not the slightest empathy for them?

[Darth_Kitten]

40. Wow.

We need that kind of passion on this side of the pond. :)

[lukasahero]

154. You'd feel that way if it was Ted Kennedy in the car, too, right? eom

[AngryAmish]

187. I would feel quite different if Ted Kennedy was in that car

First, I would wonder if he faked his death. That seems unlikely. Then I would wonder if Charles and Camilla somehow reantimated his corpse Dr. Herbert West style. Then, of course, there is the zombie angle. Again, very unlikely.

[Swamp Rat]

16. This is only the very beginning of what is in store for the world's wealthy elite. eom

[ipaint]

21. +1 nt

[madmax]

27. I sincerely hope so . nt

[reggie the dog]

49. i hope you are correct

[Catherina]

67. You feel it too?

I think these are the grains of sand in nascent pearls all over the world leading to one big revolution.

[glinda]

105. I think there are many who are totally fed up. All over.

[TornadoTN]

162. The revolution is stirring for sure

It won't be long before it erupts, and I hope we see it through to where real change is made for the benefit of all.

[fascisthunter]

172. global revolution

Ravi Batra was onto something....

[NOLALady]

188. I can live with that.

[AspenRose]

19. Whoa.

[MorningGlow]

20. The fat cats never learn

Never fuck with the students. :evilgrin:

[Cirque du So-What]

22. Viddy well, my ultra-rich little brothers

Viddy well.

[Hannah Bell]

23. The look on Camilla's face = priceless. Good to see the upper-class twits scared for once.

God knows they do a thousand times worse to the peons without a single twinge of conscience.

It's how they got rich.

[Prophet 451]

50. They didn't do a thing

The Royals have had fuck all power for years. They just got caught up in the protests and became a target because of their ostentatious wealth.

[Glassunion]

60. And where does that ostentatious wealth come from?

If you convert from £7,900,000 you get $12,305,830(US) for HM paid for by the same citizens making these protests.

[Prophet 451]

61. Several places

Some of it comes from the Civil List (which is what you're referring to), some of it is because they own half of Anglia.

That said, the amount they get from the state is utterly unrelated to the tuition fees row.

[Glassunion]

62. "the amount they get from the state is utterly unrelated to the tuition fees row."

so where does the money originate?

[Prophet 451]

64. I just told you that

Dude, you're firstly, assuming I'm not supporting the students (which I am) and secondly, assuming there's any connection between the Royals and the tuition fee rise. There is no connection. This is happening because the British public were stupid enough to vote a bunch of fucking sociopaths into power who are busily taking an axe to any and all forms of social support they can find. You're desperately trying to find a reason to blame the Royals for something they have fuck all to do with.

[Glassunion]

80. I am not assuming anything about your opinion in this matter.

What I am assuming is the students are upset and rightly so in my opinion. They are looking at having to bear the burden of a huge rate hike that the working class will not be able to afford. Meanwhile they also have to bear the burden of supporting a royal family who has no issue whatsoever living in excess on their dime.

That is what I am saying.

[Hannah Bell]

85. The Prince may or may not be directly involved in hiking tuition,

but he's definitely involved in the UK version of "education reform".

Michael Gove is the british equivalent of arne duncan, & he's taking pointers from the prince.

If that were not bad enough, Gove holds up the thoughts on state education of one Charles, Prince of Wales as the exemplary voice of rich experience. Prince Charles, who, like most of those now pontificating on the way forward for state schools, did not attend one; and who, as the recipient of two less-than-excellent A-levels and a lower-second degree, would not qualify to be a teacher under the Tories' conflation of teaching ability with A-level grades. Like Gove, however, he is desperately concerned that the curriculum has been dumbed down.

Not content with nearly prompting a constitutional crisis through his views on "proper" architecture, Prince Charles now believes he should have a say in what is on the curriculum, while Gove stands on the side applauding, scribbling down his ideas. "Note to self – make deference lessons part of core curriculum."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/apr/13/gove-education-plans

The UK recently instituted its own version of charter schools and is moving heavily into privatized education.

[Hannah Bell]

75. no, the dear old royals don't do a thing. lol.

[Sanity Claws]

156. they are a useless class who are propped up by taxpayers

Get rid of them and free money up for tuition.

I see a lot of reasons to go after the royals.

[jakefrep]

107. How is violence against them a good thing?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[reggie the dog]

123. how is violence against the royalty wrong?

i am american and french, both of my republics were built by taking it to the royal families and trying to kill them and their henchmen. fuck royalty, they are part of the problem, their friends are the elite, fuck em

[fasttense]

129. How is violence against their royal highnesses a good thing?

Seems it did wonders for America.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

135. Maybe Because King George Wielded Real Power

Prince Charles has as much power as the Burger King.

[conspirator]

151. Would Marie Antoinette care about the peasants misery without the threat of a guillotine?

The answer to my question is NO.
The answer to yours is: force is necessary for change and the elites don't think twice when they use it against us.

[fascisthunter]

173. unfortunately the wealthy don't play by the rules

so people will take the rules into their own hands. As to what's wrong with that poster? NOTHING.... open your eyes, a war against the poor and middleclass has been raging and people are fed up for a very valid reasons, reasons the wealthy would blush over..

[Downtown Hound]

178. How is using, peaceful, non-violent, non-intrusive, and polite protesting a good thing?

15 million people protested the Iraq War in a single day. What the fuck did it accomplish? NOT A THING.

I'll admit that I don't know for sure that this type of thing accomplishes anything either. But it makes the elite fucking scared, and that's a hell of a lot more than any peaceful protest ever accomplished.

[NightWatcher]

24. Make the rich pay.... Love that pic

[suffragette]

25. Our Austerity, Their Prosperity

That sign sums up the situation very well.

[bullwinkle428]

28. Terribly sorry their lovely evening was disturbed!

:evilgrin:

[Norrin Radd]

29. kr

[Turborama]

33. Large pic of Camilla freaking out....

[zeemike]

35. That needs a caption.

Charles is saying to Cammila..."You did not say anything about them eating cake did you?"

[Catherina]

68. Priceless! n/t

[AngryAmish]

39. "You never put anything there, Dear."

[Darth_Kitten]

37. Okay, now some important news, just WHAT dress will Waity Katie get?

:(

[okieinpain]

38. FREAKIN AWESOME, WE NEED SOME OF THIS IN THE USA.

Mainly to shutup the tea baggers and it wouldn't hurt if the powers that be got a little taste of it too.

[Lorien]

122. +1. Unfortunately that's what it will take

but Americans are weak, lazy and cowardly. They don't want to miss their TV shows, after all.

[okieinpain]

152. that is so true. n/t.

[reggie the dog]

41. make the rich pay

that is what i have been arguing for years, is an entire generation waking up???? this is great, fucking RIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! fuck the prince, fuck the rich that want to reserve university education for their kids and prevent the vast majority of our kids from accessing higher education...

[Octafish]

43. ''Cut Trident. Not Tuition.''

Wow.

[malaise]

132. I noticed that one

Great stuff!! Wake up world!

[Octafish]

153. The PTB have all the Aces...

The intel community knows who we the opposition are, where we live and who we know.

The military has the firepower to lay waste to mass protests, small protests and individual protestors.

The political class has their Mafia to remove stones from their shoes, IYGMD.

The Wall Street banksters and Corporate Overlords have economic control over the citizenry's destiny.

So, what do we have, my Friend? Looking at the reality, the quantifiable, objective reality: Not much.

We've got the two cards left under the discard pile.

And, going by how little the big players care for them, these trump cards are like Jokers: Truth and Integrity.

[somone]

44. Maybe they'll catch up with the French

[reggie the dog]

45. if the riots come to france

i just may have to participate myself, i already demonstrate, most people are fed up everywhere right or left wing and they know their kids are fucked....having a riot looks like great fun.

[mdmc]

46. solidarity

r

[reggie the dog]

48. priceless

"A fire burns in Parliament Square, Westminster, London, as students demonstrate against planned tuition fee increases
Thursday Dec. 9, 2010. "


fire in front of big ben, sort of looking v for vendetta like now isnt it??? way to go UK, these are some of the best protests in years....

[intheflow]

94. That was exactly what it looked like!

Alan Moore called it in 1982, right about the same time I myself grasped the coming revolution. I just didn't think it would take 30 years to start!

[GSLevel9]

52. this has been coming for years...

th UK has LOTS of issues... economic AND MOSTLY SOCIAL!!!!

[AzDar]

54. Eat The Rich!

:woohoo:

[aquart]

180. I am not a cannibal.

However, the price of cat food has gone way up.

[Poll_Blind]

55. Fuck kings, abolish monarchies, let the people make laws and a government that follows them.

:shrug:

PB

[Name removed]

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[StarsInHerHair]

103. how about tha archaeological law which says any treasure found belong to Her

Majesty the Queen? I heard about that when a big Celtic-era cache was found, with coins and jewelry. Is this true-anything found automatically belongs to the crown?

[Prophet 451]

104. Not really

I'm not sure where you heard that but it's not true. At least, not in recent years. Any historical find comes under the jurisdiction of the Heritage Council.

[muriel_volestrangler]

139. It means 'the crown' (ie the state) has the right to buy it off you at a set price

What is 'treasure trove' and if I find 'treasure' can I keep it?

Generally speaking, when the owner of an archaeological find cannot be traced, any find will belong to the owner of the land on which it was discovered. In the case of 'treasure trove', special legislation applies. All 'treasure trove' (basically gold and silver, which was originally hidden and where the owner cannot now be found) belongs to the Crown and, when discovered, is subject to an inquest at a coroner's court to establish the circumstances of its loss or deposition. Archaeologists are frequently involved in giving evidence to such inquests. Finders are often allowed to keep the objects, or an institution such as the British Museum pays so that the objects can be added to a national collection.

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/T/timeteam/faqs_2.html

And, in general, the finder and the landowner split the proceeds 50-50. What this means is you don't get to auction it off to get the highest price possible, but it's valued by experts to set the price. If a public body can come up with that money, then they get to buy it. For instance, for the recent Anglo-Saxon gold find:

A haul of Anglo-Saxon treasure recently unearthed in Staffordshire has been valued at £3.285m.

The money will be split between metal detector enthusiast Terry Herbert, who found the hoard, and Fred Johnson, who owns the farm where it was discovered.

Mr Johnson said he had not made any plans for the money but did not think he would be leaving his farm.

The value of the 7th century hoard, the largest Anglo-Saxon gold hoard found, was set by a committee of experts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8380382.stm

The Art Fund is delighted to announce that the Staffordshire Hoard, the largest archaeological Anglo-Saxon find ever unearthed, has been saved for the nation. The news comes after the National Heritage Memorial Fund (NHMF), the government's fund of last resort for heritage items at risk, pledged £1,285,000, bringing the campaign to the £3.3m target, just over three weeks ahead of schedule.

Thanks to the support of the public, trusts and foundations, and the generous £1,285,000 NHMF grant, the awe-inspiring find has now been safely secured for Birmingham Museums & Art Gallery and the Potteries Museum & Art Gallery, Stoke-on-Trent. On 13 January 2010 The Art Fund launched the campaign to save the Staffordshire Hoard on behalf of both acquiring museums with a £300,000 grant and with generous pledges of £100,000 each from Birmingham and Stoke City Councils.

Since the launch of the campaign, over £900,000 has been raised through public donations; £640,000 of that came from Art Fund members and supporters. Over 100,000 people have visited the Staffordshire Hoard displays in Stoke-on-Trent, Birmingham and the British Museum. Donations from members of the public have ranged from £1 to £100,000, and have come in from as far afield as the USA and Japan. In addition to public support, the campaign has received substantial donations from trusts and foundations.

http://www.artfund.org/staffordshire_hoard/news_and_events/33/staffordshire_hoard_saved_for_the_nation

'The crown' is a phrase which usually means 'the state', in legal terms. 'The Crown in Parliament' is the technical sovereign power of the United Kingdom.

There are some things that the queen does own as an individual (eg Balmoral Castle; and when you add all of these up, she is an extremely wealthy woman), but others that are part of the state (eg Buckingham Palace).

[reggie the dog]

124. ignorance,

the royal family gets taxes to live off of still, plus you are still one of their subjects,
as an american i would never take uk nationality as i have no sovereign, i am born free, you are born a subject of the royal family

[DemocratSinceBirth]

133. Canadians Are Subjects Of The Queen Too

And they are much more free than Americans. They can smoke pot, go to a hooker if they are so inclined, and marry the person of their choice, regardless of gender.

[reggie the dog]

145. 5 plants calls for mandatory minimum jail time in canada

in illinois i can have 49 and only risk 2 years probation, now the netherlands and their royal family.... but i do like that i am not born the subject of a royal family

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. I Thought The Royals Were Figureheads

I think the whole idea of any kind of royalty is silly but most British citizens like em...

[Prophet 451]

141. They are

All actual powers were carefully stripped away long ago. These days, the Monarch is a purely ceremonial position, Constitutional head of state but with bugger all actual power over it.

[Prophet 451]

58. Thank the Lord for the students

The bunch of fucking sociopaths in office are busy laying waste to the entire social safety net, cutting budgets and throats like Genghis Khan on PCP, all aimed at those least able to defend themselves. Cutting unemployment, disability, education, housing, everything that could actually help people. The students started to protest and the coppers kettled them, baton and cavalry charges into unarmed civilians.

Ever see (or better yet, read) "V For Vendetta"? The book's a lot better but it's starting to look like the flashback scenes over here. The politicians are wrecking far more than the students ever will, the coppers are acting like drunken thugs, our society and media are dominated by the most vicious, cruel and thoughtless, only the students give a shit and the PtB are demonising them.

I walked away from the fight a few years back, when my mind started to fall apart. I wish I hadn't had to. I wish I knew what to do.

[reggie the dog]

125. go riot with the kids

it would sure make me feel better...but i am in the south of france

[tabasco]

63. They should abolish the royalty and make these asswipes get jobs. n/t

[Prophet 451]

69. Where to start?

First off, most of them have jobs already. Prince William is training as a helicoptor pilot, Prince Harry is career Army, as was Prince Andrew who now acts an an unofficial envoy for the government since his retirement from the military. Prince Edward founded and runs a TV production company (specialising in documentries on Royal history so if you want to accuse him on exploiting his lineage, fair enough) and Princess Anne is a housewife.

Secondly, we like having a monarchy and we get just as pissed when Americans tell us we should get rid of it and Americans would rightly get if we told them they should establish one. Even if we look superficially similar, we are not the same culture.

[renate]

74. actually, although this is wildly off topic...

... Isn't Princess Anne the busiest member of the royal family? From everything I've heard and read, she really works hard and is very well informed about the charities she supports; she's not just a figurehead.

(A pro-monarchy post probably doesn't belong in this thread. :D Oh well.)

[Prophet 451]

108. So I read

According to what I've read, she's very heavily involved and hands on with her various charities and good for her.

[Cherchez la Femme]

77. The U.S. creates its own royalty too

Heck, lineages. Witness the Kennedys, the Bushes, the Roosevelts, etc.

I like the royalty in Great Britain, which surprises even me. I guess I like the history of it, living history, and there are precious few royal lines 'in power' (more properly, in situ) left in the world. If nothing else, it's a wonderful tourist attraction.
Keep those ravens safe in the Tower! :)

Prince Charles does alot with conservation, I've gone from disliking him (not because of Diana, I thought he was shallow) to admiring him. Camilla, I have no feelings regarding her whatsoever. I like the queen too. She's done a marvelous job from WWII on... and they can't help their accidents of birth any more than anyone else can.

Just MHO

[TNLib]

78. If you all love your royalty so much then why would protester try to destroy their vehicle with them

in it. When GW came to my town. I flipped him the bird and most of our protester stood in the free speech zone carrying signs and we all really hated Bush.

[Prophet 451]

102. Because they're pissed and he happened to be there n/t

[GCP]

97. Agree x 1000

The Royal Family is a force for sanity (believe it or not). The Queen HATED Thatcher for what she was doing to the poor in the country.
IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY, PEOPLE, THEY HAVE NO POWER.
But they hold the country together in difficult times.

Edited from "very little power'

[tabasco]

184. The concept of royalty is revolting.

If you are unable to grasp that idea, that's your problem.

[glinda]

109. I have no problem with your system. I do appreciate what Charles is trying to do for the farmers in

talking about co-ops and such.

[cherokeeprogressive]

111. I've yet to meet a Brit who speaks ill of The Royals in the context of

FUCK 'EM, they're rich and we're poor so FUCK 'EM! Whenever I've asked (and I have), I've been told that most Brits see the Royals in a more or less complimentary light.

This would not seem to be the case with DU'ers though.

Surreal that DU'ers are suddenly cheering violence against anyone much less the British Royal Family. Doesn't really feel good.

[reggie the dog]

127. pretty much every Welsh person i ever met

says fuck em when talking about either the english royal family or the torries, the english may like the royal family but the welsh are forced to be subjects of a roayal family that has nothing to do with their culture and would generally be happy to do away with the monarchy

[defendandprotect]

121. There's a difference between having a job and living on the wages from it ....

As for joining the rest of the world in getting rid of official Royalty --

I can see your point --

but I trust you can also see our point in objecting to the message that

the concept of "Royals" delivers to the rest of the world -- ?


Meanwhile, did you take part in the demonstrations today?

[Prophet 451]

136. I wish I had

In terms of what "message" something delivers to the world, no nation's closet is clean. The UK has Royalty. The US puts profit above people and is wildly hypocritical. France is extremely racist in many areas. You see my point? In terms of messages, the fact that we have Royalty, when they have zero power and we're entirely honest that they're there by accident of birth, is fairly minor.

With regard to the protests: I walked away from the fight a few years ago when my mind started to fall apart. These days, I can barely walk, I can't stand for more than ten or twenty minutes and I get panic attacks when I leave the house but still, I wish I'd been there because I get the feeling this is the last time in my lifetime that this kind of street protest will even be tolerated. With as bad as things are going to get in the next few years (and they're going to get really bad), I so desperately wish I was able to stand with the students. Because teh bastards in charge are sociopathic and they're going to fuck everything up and people are going to die. I just wish I knew what to do.

[Glassunion]

171. +1

[defendandprotect]

175. In terms of ...

a concept of any among us being "royal" -- or "elite" -

and the rest of us not. Though you all seem to have a different understanding of that

as some kind of fate rather than elitism? Is that it?

And, yes, I agree that much is wrong in other nations, especially here in America.

However, I disagree that your Royal Family is without power. That's something taught in

schools, but not true of a family with its great wealth.


With regard to the protests: I walked away from the fight a few years ago when my mind started to fall apart. These days, I can barely walk, I can't stand for more than ten or twenty minutes and I get panic attacks when I leave the house but still, I wish I'd been there because I get the feeling this is the last time in my lifetime that this kind of street protest will even be tolerated. With as bad as things are going to get in the next few years (and they're going to get really bad), I so desperately wish I was able to stand with the students. Because teh bastards in charge are sociopathic and they're going to fuck everything up and people are going to die. I just wish I knew what to do.

Wow -- sorry to hear that about your personal health --

and sorry to hear that you think there will be growing interference with protests, if I am

understanding you correctly?

And presume that you mean economically when you say that you think things are going to get

worse in the next few years?

I'm sure you can see from our posts here at DU that most of us feel as you do --

that many here in America are suffering, especially from lack of health care complicating

every other situation like unemployment. We have growing alarm and frustration among

citizens as more and more are watching the economic threats growing and little response by

elected government -- except to work in the interests of the corporations/elites.

[Prophet 451]

185. I think...

I lived through Thatcherism the first time around. This bunch of maniacs are taking things further than Thatcher ever dreamed of. Already, the protests have been subject to kettling, baton and cavalry charges and yes, I think it's going to get worse. At the height of Thatcherism, protests were broken up in the most brutal of fashions and I think we're heading down that road again.

Economically, things are going to get a lot worse. The media trumpeted a report a little after the election that showed the economy was improving when really, all that showed was that Labour's efforts were working. Meanwhile, this lot have decided to balance the books on the backs of the poor and sick with a plethora of cuts to welfare. I know Tories and these cuts are just the start, their aim is to destroy the social safety net. Example, they instituted a rule whereby if you refuse a job for any reason (no right of appeal) you lose all benefits for three months. Firstly, that's using teh threat of starvation to force people into work and secondly, means that average wages will go down. There's no incentive for employers to offer decent wages when they know that someone will be forced to do the job. Our disability test, already one of the harshest in the world, is about to become the harshest and will be administered by a company known and proven to be incompetent, possibly corrupt and incentivised to fail as many as possible. And that's just the start.

[defendandprotect]

192. Agree ....

and, obviously, in reflecting we can see that Thatcher --

Nixon, Reagan were sent in to crack government, corrupt it -- and now right wingers

are now being sent in to bankrupt it.

Elites are not about working, not about business, not about competitition --

they are simply about taking over the nation and its wealth and natural resources --

and everyone else being enslaved.

I think average people have trouble really seeing the suicidal nature of their thinking

because none of us would behave that way.


:)

[Prophet 451]

193. It's difficult for average people to understand such psychopaths

Such people are properly defined as psychopathic. That doesn't mean they're violent, most psychopaths aren't. It means they're lacking conscience, remorse or empathy. Concepts like "good" and "evil" don't really apply to them because the concepts imply a moral choice and they have no internal moral compass to make such a choice. The psychopath is entirely self-interested. If their desires can best be satisfied by ruthless acquisition of money, they'll do that, regardless of who suffers. If their desires can best be satisfied by sexualised torture, they'll do that too. The higher levels of business and politics, which require such traits to operate, are full of people who test out as psychopathic.

When I was a child, I used to wonder how the people in power; who kicked others out to starve on the streets, who beat down protesters, who shaved wages down to pennies; I used to wonder how they slept at night. Then I grew up and recently, I started the process of qualifying in Criminology and I learned that they sleep just fine. They're psychopaths and they don't have a conscience to bother them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

140. I Think Most Of The Rest Of The World Realizes The Difference Between King Abdullah

I think most of the world realzes the difference between King Abdullah and Queen Elizabeth, the former wields absolute power and the latter wields as much real power as the Dairy Queen...

[defendandprotect]

176. Disagree ....

Granted we are taught in our schools that royalty has zero power --

but such great wealth does have power. Yes, Elizabeth and the royals are

different from King Abdullah. That doesn't mean that the difference equates

to the Royal Family not having power in the world.

[reggie the dog]

126. ask the welsh or the scots

if they are happy to be forced to be subjects of your royal family, my welsh friends hate your royal family yet they were born as sujects of his or her royal majesty...

[Prophet 451]

137. And they should have a referendum on the subject

If you want to be part of teh UK, the Royal family come with it but I'll agree that Wales and Scotland should have a referendum on the subject like Northern Ireland did (part of teh Good Friday Agreement).

[defendandprotect]

177. Agree ....

And colonialism and British rule planted landmines all over the world

of various kinds which we are still sffering --

and I include in that their one time "outpost" which we now call home -- America!!

:)

[tabasco]

183. LOL.

They worked for it all, like everybody else.

How gullible.

LMAO.

[Prophet 451]

186. No-one said that

They got rich through accident of birth, no-one's disputing that.

[Gin]

83. I agree...and now another royal wedding is coming up....they should

elope like the peasants do.

[Prophet 451]

106. And cause a Constitutional crisis?

Americans love to mouth off about this stuff. The fact is that the Royal lineage and who the heir marries is legally important here. Under the Acts of Succession, which are part of our Constitution, who and how the heir marries is important. Now, you could argue that the Acts should be reformed and you'd be right but until they are, the couple "eloping" (and no-one except teenagers has done that in decades) would cause a Constitutional crisis.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

134. If They Were "Real" Monarchs I Would Agree With You But They Aren't So I Won't

I'm not British but the way I see it is they are a family that has been around a long time and most of the people like them because they represent continuity and a national heritage; kind of like the Kennedys to the left...

[defendandprotect]

179. The Royal Family is quite different from

what some like to call our "elites" --

The Kennedy family never made decisions over so many nations and human lives

as the Royal Family has -- and while much of that power has been diminished

much of it still exists.

I do understand that we are all taught in our schools that the British family

has zip power -- but that's really not true. They have less, but they are

certainly still powerful.

[tekisui]

71. Wow!

I didn't realize how serious these protests had grown.

[DeSwiss]

72. K&R

It's only beginning......

[Generic Other]

76. That's called the Archduke Ferdinand look on his face

This is what a class war looks like.

[Turborama]

81. Raw footage of the attack on the car

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x533854

[progressoid]

82. Gotta love the "Where are we going?" sign!

:thumbsup:

[Liberal_in_LA]

87. Thanks for posting these pics

[intheflow]

95. Wow, don't fuck with British college students!

Right on!!

[GCP]

96. My Fellow Brits - I am so proud of you

Bravo

[Mosaic]

144. Me too

An outdated, immoral monarchy is hopefully on its way out. One can hope.

[Better Believe It]

100. For Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall a "rather unpleasant ride".

They might be staying in for a few days.

[Turborama]

101. New Pics...

[tridim]

112. Wow! Things are quickly changing in the World.

It's the French Revolution, everywhere.

[MrMickeysMom]

113. maybe something that is slow painful and keeps building...

results in a major revolting situation.

[Rex]

114. That look on Prince Charles and Camilla faces!

"Oh shit Charles! Who made the rabble mad?"

[inna]

117. kickety kick -

- for the most awesome thread I've seen in a long time.


:kick:

[defendandprotect]

120. THIS has actually made me feel one hell of a lot better ... some opposition!!!

and even from the Democratic Caucus!!


Cheers!!!

:evilgrin:

[Le Taz Hot]

128. WE need to be doing this!

This Boomer is gettin' awfully nostalgic here. . .

[malaise]

131. They are off to the theatre in the middle of riots

Damn they are clueless.
Rachel played an ITV clip last night and someone was shouting 'off with their heads'.
Imagine Cameron announcing that there will be money for the queen's grand jubilee but university fees triple.

Fuck all the world's elites.

[dipsydoodle]

163. Excluding the wars of course

the Royal Variety Performance is a charity event running for almost a century. Its at the same time every year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Variety_Performance These days the Queen and Prince Charles alternate in consecutive years.

I would not want be those students whatever when they're caught if their names and faces get in the press :
Scotland Yard chief Sir Paul Stephenson has launched a "full criminal investigation" following an attack on Prince Charles and his wife Camilla by protesters in London last night. http://www.channel4.com/news/mps-condemn-attack-on-charles-and-camilla There are sufficient cameras in and around Regent Street and Oxford Street to ensure they're on film somewhere.

Doing that wasn't hardly a good public relations job. It would seem that that incident coupled with the pictures of the guy pissing on Churchill's statue and the other one of the David Gilmore's son Charlie tearing at the Cenotaph War memorial may have turned public opinion firmly against the students. At least Charlie has subsequently apologised - have a feeling his father may have been behind that.

[blindpig]

142. Good, good, good.

Hubris come home.

[kgnu_fan]

143. These kids are socially concsious and not lazy. They know what is going on in their society...

[HipChick]

146. yawn...The Brixton riots were something..

This is kinda tame..

[Poboy]

147. Recommend!!!!!!!!!!

[xchrom]

149. 'we are not your slaves.' -- indeed. nt

[Unknown Liberal]

150. Those poor people

What kind of savages would do such a thing to their Rolls Royce?

I'm sure they even had to change their royal knickers. Camilla looks like she plopped one anyway.

Lord, do you have no mercy for your humble servants?

[Downtown Hound]

155. The rich need to see and feel this EVERYWHERE they go

The gloves are off people...

[alcibiades_mystery]

157. "For all the years we looked like clowns...

the joke is over
Smell the smoke from all around..."

- Chuck D, Burn Hollywood Burn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6MlwT1lBk0

[semillama]

158. In a way, sort of inspiring.

The picture of the orange smoke roiling up towards Big Ben while the crowd films it on smartphones may end up as one of the iconic shots of the century.

[ddeclue]

160. AWESOME Pictures.. did you take these yourself?

You should post these on Facebook! Awesome to see people actually reacting and fighting back. I guess it got Prince Charles and Parliament's attention didn't it? We Americans have become a bunch of wusses.

[Downtown Hound]

161. Apparently you haven't heard of the RNC riots in St. Paul

or the G20 riots in Pittsburg. It's happening here too and it's been happening here. It's happening everywhere. Just a few weeks ago in California there were massive protests against student tuition hikes that got pretty crazy as well. A cop ended up drawing his gun on a crowd of protesters because they disarmed him of his baton.

[bongbong]

166. A Great Big Metaphor

Attack the Royalty. Shades of 1789.

I bet the phones at Xe & every other mercenary/bodyguard outfit in America are ringing off the hook right now.

[NorthCarolina]

170. Here's a pic to send to your Senator re: Tax Debate

[Poll_Blind]

189. I just now caught the mid-air flying brick!

What an image!

PB

[trud]

181. why not us too?

Kind of makes me nostalgic for my youth. Some rampaging mobs in Washington might have an effect.

[NOLALady]

190. But who will lead the way?

We were shown in the 60s that leaders would be assassinated.

Kent state taught us that protesters could be shot and killed.

How many of us are willing and ready to put our lives on the line for the sake of freedom?

[leeroysphitz]

191. Any one of these is suitable for framing.

I looks like Marie Antoinette's life was flashing before Camilla's eyes.