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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 02:13 PM
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More on Calif. 'bomb house': It's being deliberately set on fire to destroy massive amounts of explo
More on Calif. 'bomb house': It's being deliberately set on fire to destroy massive amounts of explosives inside

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 02:17 PM
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1. MSNBC has been reporting from the scene (Escondido, CA)
Hope Nadin and the Chief are keeping their heads down!
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 02:33 PM
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2. There is a doctrine.
It says some people have bad lives, or many bad things in them, to store them to be burned in the fire.

Some think that all the bad goes in some people, and all the good in other people. It is part of 'twins' doctrine also where some say one brother gets all the good, and the other brother all the bad.

It allows for superiority complex delusion also.


The concept is like putting demons into pigs and running them into water. Or the concept of how Christ took the sins of the world, although wrong, as can be shown.

It is also said in a non honorable way, and is about destruction not healing. So I figure it comes from a bad side thought, proving that it is wrong, since if someone thought all the bad was put into some person to be burned up, they would have to have destructive thoughts, so the bad would be in them also.

That is how you remove that delusion.

Basically if you can think all the bad is put in someone else to keep you clean, and they burn in the fire, you are thinking in destruction, not healing, and you got some bad in you, making your claim of that delusion being real impossible.

Took awhile to figure that one out, it is corrected by heart and empathy, since once you see that delusion as despair based, and destruction based, you can see that it can not be accurate, and then the 'healing concept' makes much more sense, and the delusion of superiority from that doctrine gets removed.
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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 02:46 PM
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3. It was a rental house, too - hope the owner wasn't like ours and planning
to retire to it. I imagine that with the amount he was making and the time that it had to have taken for him to be making the explosives, the chemicals just seeped into the walls and flooring, turning the whole house into a hazmat site and a firetrap.

Escondido is up in the hills and has a lot of middling ranch-style houses on half-acre lots and orchards, the 2K sq. ft, 3/4 bedroom "middle class family" homes of the 1980's and 90's when dad or mom could afford to commute 20 miles into town. These aren't usually million dollar McMansions, but they're still pretty expensive. The weather will be a huge factor; the atmosphere is pretty dry right now, and a good wind might spark a brush fire if the burn is not completely controlled.
Even the smoke from the house burning can affect people for a mile or so around. It's going to be a nasty, tricky job.

Haele
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 02:51 PM
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4. I take it the rainy season hasn't kicked in yet in your area.
Up here in the SF Bay area, we've been soggy for a month.

OT, last time we refinanced there was a new condition on the loan regarding storing hazardous materials. I guess the "meth house" syndrome has bitten lenders too frequently.
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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 03:40 PM
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7. We're costal desert. Even in a La Nina, there's not really a rainy season.
I checked - the most rainfall Escondido averages spread out over the year is around 15 inches, with January/Feb the wettest months at an average 3 inches each month. Closer to what you get around Lawrence than the Bay area proper.

We had a spate of wet (about three inches or so) a few weeks ago, but it's been cold and moisture-sucking dry for the past week and a half.
Most rain in the area comes in around Feb/March. They might get as much as 6 inches during that time.

I see they put fireblock material all around the property to ensure the neighboring houses didn't catch.

Haele
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 03:54 PM
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8. Our rain is early and voluminous this year.
I don't recognize Lawrence as a place name but I live in an interior valley where the pattern of rain is similar in a normal year -- a little rain in December and March but most of it arrives in Jan/Feb and total rainfall is about 20 inches. This year's been very wet. Our last rain from the previous season was in June!
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 03:07 PM
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5. Why does this make me think of congress?
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Steve_I_Am Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 03:11 PM
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6. This makes NO SENSE.
We have civilian, and military, bomb disposal experts who can disarm any bomb, no matter how big.

The questions someone needs to ask are: "What evidence is the Government destroying, and why?"

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 03:56 PM
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9. Exactly what came to my mind
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:05 PM
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10. It's not just a question of disarming bombs
The house was full of volatile concoctions and chemicals, and the rationale for destroying them on-site was that handling and removal was too dangerous to attempt with volatile materials throughout every room of the house.

The suspect also argued that the plan would destroy evidence--evidence of his innocence. The judge rejected his arguments and allowed the plan to proceed.
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Steve_I_Am Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 08:44 AM
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11. @ Pinboy
"volatile concoctions and chemicals" come on, think it through:

a) we have hazmat teams;
b) if they were so "volatile" is burning them, and putting them directly into the air we breath really a smart thing to do.

I am not buying it. I don't know WHAT the real story is. But there is certainly something that we are NOT being told.

I hope there is a real investigative reporter out there, somewhere, looking into this.
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