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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:05 PM
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Obama seemed condescending when talking about left today?
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:27 PM by quinnox
I watched his press conference and it seemed to me he was very condescending when talking about the left. In response to a question about them being disappointed in him and wondering if he had any core principles, he made it out like the left are all a bunch of hopeless dreamers who aren't in touch with reality, and that just don't understand how politics work.

Anyone else pick up on this?



edited: to change incorrect usage of "principals" to the correct "principles"
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:06 PM
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1. SEEMED---SEEMED ??? HE WAS POSITIVELY INSOLENT
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:11 PM
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59. Surly. FU mode.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:13 PM
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60. The bashing of the purists was a thing of beauty.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:46 AM
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118. Bashing by anti-equality types is so typical
But it is hyper ironic for a man who claims to be a strict Christian dogmatist, who describes his own sort of people as 'sanctified by God' and says that others are not, and thus should not have equal rights, to be defended by calling those he attacks 'purists'. The man says God sanctifies him and his views come from the divine. A purist. Claims to be 'defending a Sacrament', like Galahad the Pure of some such. It is all nonsense of course. But face it, the President foists himself as being a purist Christian traditionalist, says he is 'sanctified'- whatever that means- and he says it is all about pure faith. Faith based purity, ala Galahad, sanctity, sacraments, purity!
Anything to prevent 'those people' from thinking they are as good as straights!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:27 AM
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:46 AM
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114. So, now "surly" is a racist term?
That has got to be one of the most absurd assertions I've ever seen on DU and I've seen 'em all. :crazy:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:48 AM
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119. I've never heard of "surly" being applied in a "Blacks-only" manner. That's plain weird to say.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 08:48 AM by WinkyDink
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:23 PM
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139. shit, I am surly...
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 01:23 PM by awoke_in_2003
and lily white.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:16 AM
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127. Jebus Christ
Seriously??? Are you trying to say that surly is a code word for black people??? SERIOUSLY?

OK...please tell us, Oh Big Kahuna, what words MAY we use to describe a man that is acting in this manner?


I am guessing that you are someone that seems to find racism in everything. Look hard enough and you will see it.


Stop being so damned surly!
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:03 AM
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82. HOW DARE A BLACK MAN DO THAT!
Yeah. I went there.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:44 AM
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:47 AM
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116. See my above post re "surly"
and replace it with "insolent." And :eyes: right back atcha.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:26 PM
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141. I have, at times,...
been called both "surly" and "insolent". I assure you, people did not call me that because I am black (you know, because I am white and all)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:49 AM
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120. YOU ARE BEING BIZARRE.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 08:50 AM by WinkyDink
Now, if you'd have said it's used mainly for TEEN-AGERS, maybe I could see the point.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:18 AM
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128. Wow...
...I am just shocked with your language delusions.


So...again....what words are we allowed to use for black people when they act Surly and insolent???

I call my 11 year old surly and insolent quite a bit these days - guess I am a racist.


Geez....
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:06 PM
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2. YEP
And it is typical. Do you ever hear him talking that way about Repigs?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:07 PM
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3. Of course.
DLC/NDC is anti-left.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:07 PM
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4. Again
I think the missing word in your post was "again".

He is really impressed with himself and very frustrated in people who don't see just how brilliant he is.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:32 PM
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39. I don't know; I think he actually likes Republican policies.
At least the less extreme ones. If he were white, he would be a Republican.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:21 PM
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150. I agree...It's impossible that he would "just not get it" at this point..
What, I wonder, were he and his "handlers" if you wil, thinking?...That we are so stupid we'd buy an elephant in donkey's clothing?


Sorry, Mr. Prez...We're just NOT as stupid as you imagined.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:27 AM
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87. +1
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:08 PM
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5. I haven't seen the clip, but I'm not too surprised he would react that way...
given the question asked. "Do you have any core principles?"

Yes, I think I would wind up getting a little defensive.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:08 PM
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6. Arrogant, insulting
The thanks you get for putting him in that office
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:12 PM
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11. i'm curious
Would you feel insulted if you were asked if you had any 'core principles'?
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:17 PM
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I May Be Wrong But...
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:18 PM by WiffenPoof
I don't think he was asked if he had any core principles. I believe the reporter asked something more like "how can people identify your core principles." I think that there is big difference. One implies that he doesn't have any core principles...the other one doesn't. Like I said, I may not be remembering it correctly.

-PLA
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:22 PM
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25. Transcript:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/us/politics/08cong-do...

Q: Some on the left have questioned -- have looked at this deal and questioned what your core values are, what specifically you will go to the mat on. I'm wondering if you can reassure them with some specific things in saying, all right, this is where I don't budge. And along those lines, what's going to be different in 2012, when all these tax cuts again are up for expiration?
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:33 PM
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40. Thanks For The Transcript...
I still believe that asking someone what their core values are is far different from asking if they have any core values.

-PLA
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:35 PM
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42. Precisely
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:17 PM
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19. Sorry...Double Post
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:19 PM by WiffenPoof
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:25 PM
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27. I think I would feel ashamed that anyone would even have to ask me that question. n/t
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:37 PM
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44. He wasn't asked that. Please see transcript:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/us/politics/08cong-do...

Q: Some on the left have questioned -- have looked at this deal and questioned what your core values are, what specifically you will go to the mat on. I'm wondering if you can reassure them with some specific things in saying, all right, this is where I don't budge. And along those lines, what's going to be different in 2012, when all these tax cuts again are up for expiration?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:07 AM
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74. If he demostrated core principles, and defended them
people wouldn't be asking.
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thanks_imjustlurking Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:24 PM
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152. He demonstrates corporate core principles very well. nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:56 AM
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122. The President has said that my people are not worthy of equal
rights in the eyes of himself and of God, he says his sort are 'sanctified' and that we are not, so they get special rights.
So, dear, would you feel insulted if I said your family is not a real family, that God says mine is better, and that because of our superiority to you, we will always have rights and protections which are 'sanctified' for only my kind, your kind being not as well liked by God Himself. Would you feel insulted if I hired a preacher to call your sort of people vampires, and then refused to apologize?
Men like Obama dish out great heaping servings of most vicious criticism delivered under the color of the divine. Such people should really, really be prepared to take that which they toss at others like stones and slanders.
Such a macho tough guy. Whining like a hurt infant.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:27 PM
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32. ROFL
:P
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:09 PM
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7. That's cuz we're f#cking retarded. Remember.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:24 PM by Greybnk48
I'm being sarcastic, I'm actually heartbroken. I have a sterling silver Obama logo necklace that I wore proudly until a few months ago. I'm so sad about how I feel.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:31 PM
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38. Silver has skyrocketed
If I were you I would unload it (about the only favor he has done me...raising prices of precious metals)
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:55 PM
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55. Well maybe it will become a collectible.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:02 PM
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56. That too! eom
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:29 AM
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89. When the left attacks the left, how would you label it?
Super bright?
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:10 PM
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8. There's a fella from Time who was on MSNBC..
who said about what you said (forgot his name, was on with Matthews the same time as Chuck Todd). He had to agree with Obama that there was little choice in the matter of the tax cuts, and after studying the situation from all angles, Obama acted rightly. However, he couldn't get over the total lack of humor and style used by Obama in the speech and he sounded way too agressive with the left - he showed no empathy or understanding of their position and was nicer to the right....
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:16 PM
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16. I honestly think the man is tired and needs rest. He's had a non-stop
schedule and just conferring with Mc whatshisname and Boner must be exhausting...
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:31 AM
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73. Half the left spent two years stabbing Obama in the back instead of helping to pass an agenda.
I'd be mad too.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:22 AM
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76. what ridiculous, pathetic nonsense.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:25 PM
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135. ouch
I guess that one hit close to home for you.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:53 AM
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117. Total crap.
The only back stabbing going on for the last two years has been by the blue dogs in the senate. They've been stabbing the Democratic party in the back. And who does Obama turn to for advice on tax cuts? None other than back stabbing lame duck blue dog Blanch Lincoln. It shows you where his heart lies.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:25 PM
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134. Yes, Senate blue dogs have been the problem.
And yet, many pundits and bloggers act as though Obama is the only elected official in DC. Obama is blamed for every compromise and defeat forced by the Senate. Obama is always the target of attacks instead of the Senate. It doesn't make sense and it didn't help get any agenda item through the Senate roadblock. The left was attacking Obama non-stop when it should have been attacking the Senate. That's how Obama was stabbed in the back.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:24 PM
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140. I'm convinced he's one of them.
Remember who his mentor was, Holy Joe Lieberman. And who does he turn to for advice on the tax cuts? Blanch Lincoln. Haven't you wondered why the same handful Senators have been controlling/thwarting the party's agenda again and again and again yet there never seems to be any consequences? Notice how everything is negotiated away before any votes are taken? Nobody seems to be able to influence them to change there ways. They lead and we have to follow regardless of how much damage they're doing to the party. Isn't that the job of the President and Senate leadership to whip everyone into line? When does the whipping begin?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:32 PM
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147. I think you're buying into an artificial reality.
Obama repeatedly pressured the Senate to pass more progressive bills. He asked the public and netroots to help him do it. How did most of the netroots respond? Ignore the Senate and scapegoat Obama. Very counterproductive.

Yes, compromises were negotiated when it became clear that Senate conservatives wouldn't budge. That's how government works. And once again, it's not rational to blame Obama for the fact that some Democrats are blocking the progressive agenda that OBAMA proposed and fought for.

It's also the job of the PEOPLE to pressure the Senate and we failed to provide much help when Obama was fighting for what progressives want.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:11 PM
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9. Bye Bye Obama
I hardly knew ye
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:13 PM
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:47 AM
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97. You should stick around to get to know him.
Or are you giving up?
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:11 PM
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10. It's like when your Mom would tell you that throwing a screaming, kicking fit will get you nothing
sure, you went right on throwing your fit.
but, think about it, she was right, you got nothing.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:20 PM
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22. Another shut up and sit down post. Sorry, I am going to scream. It may not get me anything
but you can lay down and roll over. I aint.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:53 PM
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53. That's your analogy, screaming babies?
LMAO. You and Obama see screaming babies, I see people who bet the farm on a guy who just fucked them over royally and then called them stupid when they got angry about it.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:13 PM
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13. Always
It's a well established pattern by now. He tiptoes around the rightwing nuts trying to bring him down and slams "his side." Getting old.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:16 PM
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14. In my eyes, the president has two tones: condescending and angry.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:16 PM by BlueIris
Rarely have I seen any alternative attitudes come through, except maybe timid. So his condescension today was no surprise. He is as snide as it gets.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:11 AM
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75. Yes, he seems to save the niceness for negotiations
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 03:12 AM by ThomCat
with the people he is supposed to be opposing.

He only seems to get strength to really grow a spine when he is attacking us, his base. Where is that strength, that spine, when he is negotiating? x(

We could have used that spine when he was supposed to be creating and defending universal health care, and then demanding recovery options for poor people, and then creating jobs programs, and demanding that the rich pay their fair share in taxes, and ending DADT... :(
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:29 AM
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103. I guess you wouldn't recognize class, because that's what he exudes.
Pure class, and the haters just can't stand it. GoBama! :patriot:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:16 PM
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15. The first straw was Rick Fucking Warren. The last was giving the republicans everything they want.
A trillion dollars to the billionaires and the repukes can claim that it's Obama's fault the deficit is so high. Social Security is next. Then what? Give Texas to China?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:07 PM
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57. It looks like he wants to be something he isn't
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:27 AM
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71. I am totally lost as to what he must be thinking. If he is resigned to being a one term president
why doesnt he help us?
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:32 AM
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91. We might actually be better off if we gave Texas to China.
Fewer Republican voters. ;)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:29 PM
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144. I think the point is moot. If China can own Congress, they essentially own America. nm
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:09 PM
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146. Hmmm. "Give Texas to China" ...
If China will pay to have it moved, I might support that idea.
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:16 PM
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17. Well, he certainly was a little short tempered n/t
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:17 PM
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18. Of course. Obama is basically a conservative
He thinks of himself as a problem-solving repairman for the status quo and the PTB.

Liberals - people who really want to upend the current power structure, i.e., CHANGE things - are not his friend.

It's time to face that fact.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:28 PM
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34. Yep. The sooner we face that fact the sooner we can get down to business
and find a challenger who will represent we, the non-Billionaires.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:35 AM
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92. +1
He's not a revolutionary, he's an evolutionary.

For better or worse.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:17 PM
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20. As if they haven't been 1000 times more condescending to him.
The people that was aimed at are just getting back what they've been giving him. And they take it with a lot less stride.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:18 PM
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21. Yes. And it pissed me off. I don't know who he thinks he is to speak to us that way. n/t
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:39 AM
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94. He's the POTUS.
I don't know you, but a lot of racists have tread on the ground of "He can't talk to me like that!"

I hope you aren't one of them.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:35 AM
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106. Who he thinks he is??? How dare that boy!!!!
He just happens to be POTUS. :eyes:
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:21 PM
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23. Almost like DU and others talk to or of him
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:31 PM
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37. He's in that position because we gave him the job. I'll say whatever the fuck I want to about him.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:25 AM
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86. I hope you extend your boss that same privilege. No hypocrisy, now!
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:31 AM
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104. The President is not our boss
The fact that you think so is both enlightening and disturbing at the same time.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:40 AM
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110. A lot of people gave him the job, not just lefties. Remember?
:eyes: He has to govern the whole country.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:21 PM
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:22 PM
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26. Utter fail.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:40 PM
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46. Unfortunately true, he really doesn't care about the individual at all. nt
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 08:42 PM by Raine
edit: spelling
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:17 PM
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:13 AM
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70. No, he doesn't or the millions of others like me.
And, yeah, I'm not too proud to admit I cry about what's going on when my husband is hungry and we have nothing in the house for him to eat. He's worked himself into ill health and near death trying to keep us going and the rich are going to get their tax break while we scrape for food.

Thanks for understanding.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:25 PM
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28. He's always condescending
toward the left. Those dreamers helped propel him into office, he needs to keep that in mind if he wants to keep his job in two years.
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:26 PM
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29. Was * ever this disrespectful and hostile towards his right wing base?
I cannot for the life of me understand why Obama hates his left base as much as he does. Who does he think will contribute and work for him during the 2012 cycle? With each passing day he inches closer to alienating the entire country.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:45 AM
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96. * didn't have his non-base turn on him.
Obama has to deal with PUMA, FDL, and other folks more interested in social power, than getting things done.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:26 PM
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30. Indeed he did...I watched it over and over...
We, sadly, have a Bankster President.......a guy who will Compromise us AWAY. It was dreadfully shocking......but then...

"They" Tell Us...we voted for a "Pragmatist President" and what we heard when we listened to his speeches and the Transcripts of them...was all "MADE UP."

"THEY" TELL US...what we Heard from his Speeches was not WHAT HE SAID!

Who are you Going to Believe? "ME" or "YOUR LYING EYES?" :-(
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:27 PM
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31. Yes
Obama compromised himself into a corner, and he's lashing out.

President Obama, I think you are expert at finding the path of least resistance for yourself, but what's easiest for you isn't what's best for Americans. As it turns out, it's not as easy for you as you thought it would be.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:27 PM
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33. yes
and out of touch
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:30 PM
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36. He & Rambo think alike....the apple didn't fall far from the tree
I think the pres. has bought into his own hype....it hurts when a person falls off his or her pedestal
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:30 PM
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35. He always is, when talking about the left.
Because where are we supposed to go, realistically?

It is true that the other side is much worse, so as much as I HATE the Democrats (almost all of them, including Obama, with rare exceptions like Feingold), what choice do I have?

I am in favor of burning the whole thing down and starting over, by writing a new Constitution, one that really does mean government of, by and for the people. Including bans on lobbying, corporate campaign donations, single payer health care, etc.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:35 PM
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41. He wasn't taling about the whole "left." He was talking about those that ARE hopeless dreamers who
aren't in touch with reality. The vast majority of the left is not that. The people on DU are not a representative sample of the left as a whole.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:48 PM
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:52 PM
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52. It is not Obama's fault that he doesn't have the power to unilaterally dissolve Congress and
enact laws by fiat.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:55 PM
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54. It IS HIS FAULT.
... that he FIGHTS FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE PASSIVE PRESIDENT.

Keep making excuses, the rest of us have had enough.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:07 AM
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67. No, it's not his fault that he picks battles that he could win (not assuredly lose). n/t
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:34 PM
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145. In your fantasy world, you may be right. Can't really say. n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:38 AM
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109. Actually, the president has a lot of fires to put out one by one. Is he
irked that his accomplishments in keeping the good ship USA from going under aren't being recognized and appreciated? I'm sure that he is. Just be glad he's not like me. I would have made ears bleed.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:16 PM
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61. Yep. He said purist not leftist. Only the purist around here seem bent about it.
:rofl:
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:16 PM
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65. Go read the comments in the NY Times
The people are well-spoken and intelligent - not "loony" like we are. And they are as furious as we are, maybe even more so.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:25 AM
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79. lol.
Right.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:42 AM
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112. "Hopeless Dreamers"? Go pedal that on some republican site. nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:22 AM
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129. How do you know that?
You make many off hand, crazed proclamations, but you never cite anything to substantiate your claims. Your wild claims, made up out of whole cloth. Show us the numbers that compare DU to 'the left' with quantities and contrasts.
I mean, you are in support of a man who proclaims that an invisible being tells him that gay people are not 'sanctified'- his word- and you are talking about 'reality'? What does 'sanctified' mean, in the context of 'reality'?
Here on DU, histrionics and hyperbole often rule the day. CAPS and "quote marks" and unsupported claims are not real arguments. You say something, this does not make it true, it just makes it more noise out of what, a retail salesperson? Some random guy on the internet, who never has facts at hand, just declarations of faith based 'belief'. Like the 'sanctified' nonsense, it is all meaningless rhetoric. Vapid, without any real basis in the language or in current events.
So some guy in a cubicle shouts it! That must mean it is true! A person with no standing at all, saying things that are not proven at all. Faith based, like the 'sanctity of marriage' bs.
I'm not an evangelical. So the faith based magic words trip does not work here. Those who claim to have facts need to support those 'facts' not simply repeat them along with bully phases like 'bashing' and such. Criticism is criticism. Bashing is what straight thugs do to gay people to express their 'faith' and 'sanctity'.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:37 PM
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43. It was a fun speech.
He spoke to his base. Then he spoke to liberals.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:37 PM
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45. Makes you think he is a "secret Republican".
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:45 PM
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63. Yep.
Obama is a secret Republican.

You nailed it. :thumbsup:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:46 AM
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115. Nothing secret about it
RL
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:40 PM
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47. LBJ dismissed the left. Didn't work out so well for him.
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:30 AM
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132. LBJ was a closet Republican
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:48 PM
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49. Quite. Kucinich/Grayson 2012.
Main plank: 90% marginal tax rates on income over $100K.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:50 PM
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50. Because there is nothing like fucking people over
then calling them stupid for being angry about it.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:37 AM
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93. +1
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 08:52 PM
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51. narcissistic
He was referring to a number of criticisms in that defense, not just from the left. I didn't feel slighted. I'm not surprised at the folks who are acting like he can't defend himself against many of the ridiculous expectations from so many different quarters. Anyway, he was measured and reasonable in his defenses of his compromises and his policy achievements and challenges.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:07 PM
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58. It was bad enough having Rahm condescend to us
on Obama's behalf. If Obama is going to condescend to us himself, I'm not going to watch his speeches any more. He's basically thrown my support in the garbage, so I guess he doesn't want or need it anyway.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:41 AM
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111. Many of us hated Rahm, but we also realized who he was reporting to -
this is nothing new from Mr. Obama and the base he has left behind will remember it in 2012.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:05 PM
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64. He seemed like he was handing in his resignation notice actually.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 11:07 PM by glinda
I mean, how long can you have death threats, being called tons of names, get shit from part of your Party and try to maintain some sense of civility.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:10 AM
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69. That would only be true if the Obama bashers represent a non-negligable portion of the base. n/t
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:05 AM
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66. I guess no one likes Mr. Obama's new show of strength.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 12:05 AM by political_Dem
It's a little early this year, but Santa screwed up.

:sarcasm:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:08 AM
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68. Oh no! I just realised he is right!
We DON'T understand how politics work! We spent all those generations just smoking dope and you know, dropping out. :sarcasm:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:29 AM
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72. Justifiably so. Too many left pundits and bloggers are being fucking morons.
I would be a hell of a lot more condescending than he was.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:23 AM
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77. He's got to wish he'd just gone Republican sometimes.
Their authoritarian base will swallow any ridiculous bullshit their leaders push at them.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:09 PM
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148. If he'd gone repuke in '08 he wouldn't have won.
The country wanted something different.

So the PTB presented something that looked different.
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:30 PM
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149. Exactly how I see it
Well said.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:24 AM
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78. He was uppity!
The Tea Party thinks so too!
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:22 AM
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85. Ding Ding Ding! Here it is...finally from the LEFT.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 04:27 AM by CakeGrrl
And the ones who are most pissed are right here to bolster this OP with their rage at the NERVE. Who the hell does this guy think he IS, right?

Keep it up, angry mob. Not everyone in the Dem party is signed onto your rage-on.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:52 AM
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101. You used the perfect word to describe what sparked the poutrage here. n/t
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:32 AM
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105. Ah, finally going to the race card, eh?
I wondered when you finally pull it out. Just shut every one down by calling them racist. Whatever.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:14 AM
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126. Finally? It's all she's got left. n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:53 PM
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138. FYI, the term "race card" is usually thrown out there
by racists!
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:49 AM
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121. Du is racist... for supporting policy over personality?
congratulations on throwing any of your remaining credibility out the window.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:44 AM
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80. He spoke the truth--deal with it.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:52 AM
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81. Well, I know of one White House that Santa Claus won't be visitng this year.
Because Obama is a muslim!
Secretly flown in to wage war on Christmas!
That's why there is no "Christmas tree" at the White House this year.
They've got a tree, but they're calling it a "Holiday tree"!

And the eggnog is out of date, too.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:19 AM
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83. Keith Obermann called him "Blanche Lincoln"
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 04:29 AM by Bryn
I'd be always a democrat, voted democrats until last November when I voted for John Gray, a green, rather than voting for Blanche Lincoln. She lost a big time anyway even without votes for Gray and Trevor together. I consider myself a FDR democrat. When the democratic party moves to the right they call us "f-king retarded" when we hold on to our principles. Us or them?? It's them, they are trying to make us think it's us, but we're not stupid, are we?
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:21 AM
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84. One suspects that in about a year or so he will not be
so, there will be a magical moment towards a group hug.

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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:27 AM
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88. I have never yelled at the TV so vehemently
since Chimpy was President.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:31 AM
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90. Wow...no way in the WORLD that he might actually have a point about reality
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 04:39 AM by CakeGrrl
No way that a bunch of internet posters who have never participated in governing with a nastily divided Congress would maybe not completely understand what it takes to govern for the entire nation's best overall interest.

No way!




:sarcasm:


On the double standard front, people have no problem condescending to the President here on a daily basis: He's in over his head, he's small and pathetic, he's weak, he has no experience, he needs psychological help.

But if someone here thinks anyone has said that about them, look out!

But President Obama? People think they "own" him with their votes, so he's theirs to do as they see fit.

Disgusting.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:39 AM
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95. Actual people involved in governing are pretty pissed off too. nt.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:49 AM
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98. Can you explain?
Career folks have a perspective we (those of us on the outside) rarely see.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:36 AM
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108. Jim McDermott, for one
He sounded downright pissed during an interview yesterday evening on NPR.
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:09 AM
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123. Um, Bobby Scott, Peter Welch, Dick Durbin, Sam Farr, Sherrod Brown, I could go on and on.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 09:26 AM by OrwellwasRight
Mary Landrieu. Many people who "actually govern" think this deal is a piece of shit. And no they aren't crazy. Nor do they just sit around and post on boards. They govern.

Edited to fix typo.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:35 AM
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107. Congress wasn't "nastily divided" over the past two years
And apparently, to you, governing in the "entire nation's best interest" means "caving in to idiotic Republican demands that will actually hurt the country."

People think they "own" him with their votes

So, you're basically saying that we are to vote for who we are told to, then shut up about it, regardless of what we believe in? Disgusting.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:28 AM
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99. Yes, that's a bad habit he has.
He's got less than two years to turn things around and stop crapping on the people who elected him. If he continues on this path - which includes attacking his supporters - he will be a one term president best known for blowing the largest lead in the history of the presidency.

I keep thinking he'll snap out of it, but I'm beginning to think he's simply incapable of admitting he'll never make any gains by capitulating to the right.

He's not good at leading.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:43 AM
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100. No, actually he seemed as cool and collected as always. nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:12 AM
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124. Since when is he NOT? nt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:13 AM
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125. Dripping.
Almost as bad as some folks here. And that was most disappointing of all.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:25 AM
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130. Product to avoid, for dirty hippies :
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:25 AM
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131. Didn't you know that we are all a bunch of petty, cry-baby children
that are just throwing immature tantrums because we didn't get our pet issues or a pony.

It's not like we have any valid points or anything.
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:19 AM
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133. Face facts Liberals. Obama has stabbed us in the back.
And I'm DONE with him.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:34 PM
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136. But but but, amb123 you are forgetting that
there is a giant LIST of "massive progressive accomplishments" floating around the intranets!! and 99.999 percent of all super liberal democrats support him in the latest Assmussen poll!!!111!
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:51 PM
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137. he should stay in his place!! Who does he think he is?
:eyes: :sarcasm:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:07 PM
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143. So uppity!
How dare he.......
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:39 PM
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142. Everybody did...
even those in denial
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151. *He* either doesn't understand how politics works, or understands too well.
I don't know which is more depressing.
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