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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:50 AM
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State Dept threatens Columbia U students re: posting Wikileak info on social media
Nice. Blackmail them with future employment blackballing.


http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/3/headlines


State Dept. Bars Staffers from WikiLeaks, Warns Students
The U.S. State Department has imposed an order barring employees from reading the leaked WikiLeaks cables. State Department staffers have been told not to read cables because they were classified and subject to security clearances. The State Departments WikiLeaks censorship has even been extended to university students. An email to students at Columbia Universitys School of International and Public Affairs says: "The documents released during the past few months through Wikileaks are still considered classified documents. recommends that you DO NOT post links to these documents nor make comments on social media sites such as Facebook or through Twitter. Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government."

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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:54 AM
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1. Bad policy from State Dept. BAD. The students....
could be learning a lot from these cables, if only how not to communicate in a way which would embarrass or be misunderstood.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:56 AM
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3. they are already learning a lot from the State Department
lessons on what happens to liberty and due process when it threatens powerful interests
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:56 AM
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2. I've been told the same thing
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 11:58 AM by tammywammy
I hold a security clearance and accessing accessing the classified information released by Wikileaks, I would have to admit that I accessed classified information on an unclassified system without a need-to-know and could possibly lose my security clearance.

Edited to add: I don't think of this as a "threat" just a matter-of-fact and restatement of the types of questions you have to answer in order to receive a security clearance ("Have you ever tried to access classified information?").
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:00 PM
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8. Bingo. If you want a security clearance (now or in the future)... don't associate with wikileaks.
Makes perfect sense. And I agree with the policy.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:08 PM
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9. Yep, doesn't bother me.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 12:09 PM by tammywammy
I can read articles about Wikileaks, I can read what people say about it on DU, I just will never access his website or the actual mass-information he's released.

edited to add: The warning came from within the company I work for, not the State Dept or DoD, just like in the OP it appears the warning came from the school not the State Dept.
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redking123 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:15 AM
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24. Need-to-know basis.
You need to know.

Ignorance is bliss. It is also a good cover for others doing things not in your interest. Decide now whether the government has been created by people to serve people or if the government has been created to be obeyed by people held in ignorance of its actions.

You need to know.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 07:58 AM
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25. Welcome to DU

:hi:

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:56 AM
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4. So they want their prospective employees uninformed.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:57 AM
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5. Thanks Hillary..... because that's her department
and she is in charge...... This is shameful threaten students posting this.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:57 AM
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6. "They see you when you're sleeping. They know when you're awake
...They know if you've been bad or good. So be good for goodness sake!"

Merry Christmas, Everybodeeeee!

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MikeFoxtroters Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:58 AM
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7. From the school
Sounds like the email to students was probably generated by the school since it was focused on the School of international affairs students who most likely will in the future move into government jobs.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:12 PM
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10. This is what happens when...
Truth becomes an enemy of the state.

Whether the government likes it or not, these documents are no public. Telling U.S. citizens they can't read documents that a Nigerian sitting in a coffee shop can read is not only arrogant and stupid, it's authoritarian and should raise alarms about impending tyranny.

I disagree with the policy. It's another example of this government leading/coercing with fear instead of moral authority.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:22 PM
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12. Of course it is. And this whole idea of not putting a security
clearance at risk is a great example of coercion dressed up as "security".
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:12 PM
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14. +1
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 12:12 PM
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11. This only draws more attention
...to the notion that our government has become Fascist. The government may be
right about reading these documents jeopardizing future employment. However, this
type of threat, "Do this and suffer the consequences" has a jack-boot ring to it.

People who truly view Assange as a hero--which is probably 95 percent of college
students, will only be empowered to not only read the documents, but post them on
their social media sites--as the email warns against doing.

This will backfire big time.

Interesting that Columbia did this.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:14 PM
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15. That's was my first impression, too.
Here come the 60's, all over again.
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justinaforjustice Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:11 PM
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13. Wonderful, Insures Thousands More Will Read Them.
There is nothing like banning a book or movie to increase its readership, ask the Catholic Church.

I anticipate a lot of politically aware geeks will be busy creating mirror sites for the wikileaks documents titled with names like "New international Cooking Recipes" so folks can access the documents without destroying their access to security clearances. Geeks are infinitely creative, especially when poked by the government.

Actually, there is a lot to be learned from the documents. I was particularly impressed by one analysis of Britain's response to the changing ethnic composition of its population. It was extremely well written and sympathetic to the non-white ethnic groups whose presence was discomforting many of Britain's traditional government agencies. That was one State Department analyst who had really studied anthropology and knew his/her stuff. If we had more State Department employees like that, we might have an effective and more human foreign policy.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:15 PM
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16. Changing the file title, wouldn't change the nature of the documents
When you go for your security clearance, you'd know you accessed classified material. Just changing the title doesn't making accessing classified material on an unclassified computer without a need to know any different. You'd still have to mark down that you did it. That's what puts your clearance in jepoardy, and it could be any classified information, the Wikileaks is just included in with the thousands of other classified documents.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:21 PM
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17. Don't read WikiLeaks documents! Don't become an enemy of the state! Big Brother is watching!
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 03:21 PM by Better Believe It
So are we.



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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:28 PM
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19. I would have to admit to accessing classified material without a need-to-know
It's pretty straight forward regarding all classified materials.

BTW, that doesn't mean I can't read articles about the material, or read the threads on DU. And not once have they said "By reading Wikileaks you will lose your clearance." They've stated the obvious, you'd have to report it and you could but it's not a done deal.

I could take the chance, but since I like my job (I'd lose my job if I lost my clearance), and I enjoy paying my mortgage each month, I choose to NOT access Wikileaks.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:27 PM
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18. Don't be afraid of Big Brother. Everyone go visit WikiLeaks now. Read the truth!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:31 PM
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20. One of us, somebody, has to start "I Read Wikileaks" at FB.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 03:31 PM by EFerrari
I just tried but I can't navigate it very well.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 04:04 PM
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21. What about the Pentagon papers?
Is anyone who read them also banned from government service?

What if they read mainstream news articles that quote the leaked documents?

Sounds to me like someone should print all the stuff out and post it on bulletin boards all over the university.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 04:05 PM
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22. Nice...the whole world knows now, but the people going into State Dept careers
SHOUDL REMAIN IN THE DARK.

Fucking idiots.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 05:05 PM
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23. That's because they might "leak" the truth to the people and we can't have that!
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 09:06 AM
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26. Fear is an American value
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