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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:21 PM
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We need to scrap elections and have lotteries to select officeholders.
Face it, virtually no one can get elected without prostituting themselves out to big business or the rich. The Citizens United case made it impossible to ever elect an honest, competent person who will represent the people. What we need is a lottery system that selects people at random, say from their social security numbers.

We could still keep in effect the age requirements for the house, senate and president. But that's it. Every city, every district and every state would have identical lottery systems. We could eliminate virtually all the whores in government overnight. Instead of corrupt thugs in business being able to be just walk into any elected official in government and demanding things, they would be completely shut out.

Even if prisoners were made eligible to be selected for office we would still end up with a vastly improved and more honest government. I'd like to wake up on 'Lottery Day' and discover I was a US senator, govenor or president. I have no doubt I could do a better job than almost everyone in congress or the executive branch. Representing people and solving problems isn't rocket science. But it's almost impossible for anyone in the current corrupt system to do what is right and represent the people they are supposed to represent.

And we could pass a law that stated if any officeholder was caught taking bribes they would get an automatic 25 years in prison. No more slaps on the wrist like 'censures' for committing crimes while serving in government. And we could also keep impeachment as a way of removing people from office. Look at the billions we'd save on elections and the trillions we would save by not having our pockets picked by corrupt mobsters in business.

Yeah, I know this idea is 'out there' (and written in jest) and would have a lot of constitutional hurdles to pass, but so what. We need a huge change in this country or it will soon be history. We currently have is a damned whoredom, not a democratic republic.





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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:26 PM
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1. I've had a similar thought before
At least for the house of representatives, state senate and assembly, and city council. :(
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:33 PM
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4. Thank you 'Governor' or is it 'Senator' this year? :)
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:26 PM
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2. You're right. It's like the old Roman Senate ... you got drafted.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:32 PM
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3. A door knob would have been a better choice than some current officeholders
Door knobs are boring, but harmless.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:36 PM
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6. We could include inanimate objects in the lottery pool, or even dead people.
You're right, it couldn't be worse.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:35 PM
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Yea, I am going to get right on that
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:37 PM
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7. Welcome, glad to have you on board!
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:35 PM
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5. My Son in Law and I were discussing that
the other day.We agreed that they should serve no more than a year. For a Republican he is pretty smart. We liked the idea. No campaigning.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:46 PM
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8. I think it wouldn't hurt to add the maximum yearly take home pay
of an eligible winner can not be above 100K. Better yet, only allow the unemployed and homeless to participate.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:38 PM
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18. That would make it a jobs program too!
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:49 PM
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9. Funny you should mention that
I just gots me a brand new Diebold Lotterizer! Call me "Senator".
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:31 PM
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14. Welcome Senator Notesdev! But you have to wait till January for health insurance!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:50 PM
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10. It's called Demarchy or Lottocracy or Sortition and has been tried.
And, it would be a helluva lot more democratic than the oligarchy now in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarchy#Demarchy_in_histo...

Demarchy (or lottocracy) is a form of hypothetical government in which the state is governed by randomly selected decision makers who have been selected by sortition (lot) from a broadly inclusive pool of eligible citizens. These groups, sometimes termed "policy juries," "citizens' juries," or "consensus conferences," deliberately make decisions about public policies in much the same way that juries decide criminal cases.

Demarchy, in theory, would overcome some of the functional problems of conventional representative democracy, which is widely subject to manipulation by special interests and a division between professional policymakers (politicians and lobbyists) vs. a largely passive, uninvolved and often uninformed electorate. According to Australian philosopher John Burnheim, random selection of policymakers would make it easier for everyday citizens to meaningfully participate, and harder for special interests to corrupt the process.

More generally, random selection of decision makers from a larger group is known as sortition (from the Latin base for lottery). The Athenian democracy made much use of sortition, with nearly all government offices filled by lottery (of full citizens) rather than by election. Candidates were almost always male, Greek, educated citizens holding a minimum of wealth and status.

In the Canadian provinces of British Columbia and Ontario, a group of citizens was randomly selected to create a Citizens' Assembly on Electoral Reform to investigate and recommend changes to the provinces' electoral systems. The Old Order Amish use a combination of election and sortition to select church leaders; men receiving two or three nominations to fill a vacancy (the number varies by district) are then asked to select a psalm book containing a slip of paper, one of those slips being marked to indicate who will take on the burden of the position.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:33 PM
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15. Wow, thanks for that great information!
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:52 PM
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11. my partner has been suggesting that for years
I'm in...
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:52 PM
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12. Really ... I don't think we could do any worse. nt
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:05 PM
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13. Joe the plumber becomes president
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:35 PM
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17. Yeah true, but we did have bushy boy.
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Pholus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 10:34 PM
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19. 1 in 300 million, tops. And Fox News' money can't help.
At this point the odds are looking pretty good.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 09:35 PM
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16. We could do worse...
you know, like we normally do whenever there is an election.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 11:08 PM
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20. Publisher's Clearinghouse
" Congratulations, You may already be a senator".. Send it IN!
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:14 AM
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21. I like that! Too bad Ed McMahon can no longer be part of the 'prize patrol'.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 01:57 AM
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 02:27 AM
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23. Kill all the lobbyists and you've got yourself a deal there, young man.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 02:28 AM by Iggo
EDIT: Well, don't kill 'em, of course. But you know what I mean.
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keith_sutherland Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 03:45 PM
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24. Sortition and Public Policy
The interesting thing is that all of us think that we've come up with this idea due to our sheer intellectual brilliance, only to discover that we're reinventing a very worn wheel. This is quite reassuring, because it shows that the idea of sortition (random selection for political office) is a natural concept. Regarding some of the extensive literature on the topic see http://imprint-academic.com/pp
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