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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:10 PM Original message |
Democrats could pass tax cuts for the middle class and allow those for the wealthy to expire |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Errr, How Will The Dems Pass It Through The Senate? |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You do understand the reconcilation process don't you? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yes I Do, You Apparently Do Not |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. What does it have to do with filibustering then? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. They Can't Use Reconciliation |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Why |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Not Deficit Reducing Or Neutral |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
47. Yea, it would only be deficit reducing if they were actually voting to raise taxes. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. wrong place |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Why not? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. It's Not Revenue Neutral Or Deficit Reducing, Thus No Reconciliation Is Allowable |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Explain then how it was used to pass them in the first place.. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Because They Cooked The Books And Lied About The Effect |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Abolishing tax cuts for the wealth IS deficit reducing. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Tax Cuts Are Not, Can't Use Reconciliation To Pass The Middle Class Tax Cuts |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You can introduce a bill to increase taxes on the rich. That would |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Right, That's A Workable Idea, Introduce A Tax Increase! |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. You left out the important part. A tax increase ON THE WEALTHY. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Tell Me How You Will Get Lieberman, Baucus, Nelson, Landrieu And Bayh To Vote For It |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Sherrod Brown and others have the balls to do it. Are they not |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. ahh yes the old threats |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Threats was the wrong word. Promises is a better word. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I Think Threats Are Useless Against Certain People |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Here's what I have learned about the inside workings of the Senate |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Frankly, I Don't Care What You Think You've Learned |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. What does it take to get 12 Democrats to vote for an |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You Tell Me What It Takes, Apparently Dems Need To Make More Threats |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. They can't 'get their shit together' because most of them are under |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. No Shit, Yeah, Many Senators Are Under Corporate Control, So HOW Would YOU Get Them To Vote For A |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It's ridiculous to raise taxes on the wealthy? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. You could extend the middle class cuts by 10 years, and let the top 2% cuts expire |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. You've Wrangled The Votes For That? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Limiting it to 10 years means reconciliation could be used |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Didn't Say You'd Need Repub Votes, How About Lieberman |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Well, a Republican filibuster was your objection in #1 |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Reconciliation IS impossible At This Time |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. Its not a vote to abolish tax cuts. Its a vote to extend part of them. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. That's easy! Make the Republicans engage in a real filibuster on the Senate floor! |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. When did Reid force a traditional filibuster last year? n/t |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Reid Never "Forced A Traditional Fillibuster", Source This Claim |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. It happened this past March. Did you forget about it? Here ya go! |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. So IOW, It Didn't Happen According To Your "Source" (Which Is You) |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. What in this article did you not understand? Which words have confused you? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. How Do You Define "May"? Show Me Your Source That They Did It |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Exactly. The poster is conflating objecting to a unanimous consent request as an actual filibuster. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yeah, but that wouldn't be all bipartisany |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
20. They "could".... |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. they could but I suspect they won't... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
28. I don't think they can do it in reconciliation, if that's what you're thinking. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. absolute baloney. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
35. No budget was passed. Cam't use reconciliation if no budget passed. n/t |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
43. If I was Obama I'd let them expire out of spite and just fight the repubs for the next 2 years. |
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