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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:22 AM
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New Video documentary on social engineering available to view on line
Human Resources: Social Engineering in the 20th Century

Direct link to view online: http://metanoia-films.org/hr_watchonline.php

Some Reviews:

BrilliantRivetingThe amount of material the filmmaker covers and unifies is astounding
Human Resources diagnoses the 20th century.

- Stephen Soldz, Professor, Boston Graduate School of Psychoanalysis;
President, Psychologists for Social Responsibility


"PowerfulMust SeeIt will leave you Spellbound.

- Andrew Goliszek, Author, In the Name of Science:
A History of Secret Programs, Medical Research, and Human Experimentation


An important workterrifiying in its implications.
Human Resources is a must see for those of us who still take democracy seriously.

- Bruce E. Levine, Author Commonsense Rebellion:
Taking Back Your Life from Drugs, Shrinks, Corporations, and a World Gone Crazy


It scared the shit out of meA powerful and methodical
dissection of the dominant culture.

- Derrick Jensen, Author, Endgame

A masterful examination of the mechanization of human existence
It is a rare occasion when watching a film can help open not only our eyes, but our minds.

- Andrew Marshall, Centre for Research on Globalization

http://metanoia-films.org/hr_acclaim.php
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:34 AM
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1.  K&R Thanks for the link - Just watched previews for "Psywar"
and plan to explore the website.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:37 PM
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18. Yup, Psywar is a good one too
"A deep, richly illustrated study of the nature and history of propaganda, featuring some of the world's most insightful critics".
Mark Achbar; Film director; 'Manufacturing Consent', 'The Corporation'

"Psywar exposes the propaganda system, providing crucial background and insight into the control of information and thought."
Kim Petersen, Dissident Voice

"If it is your desire to understand how we are manipulated into believing the things we do -- watch this film. Every American should see it...for the sake of our future."
Timothy Gatto, fmr Chairman, Liberal Party of America

Psywar Trailer

Watch Psywar online
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:50 AM
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2. Recommend!!! n/t
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 09:05 AM
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3. Great post.
A reason to see things how you want to see in things, to try and remove the conditioning.

And a reason to both add noise to action, and to not let trick or treat guide you in a direction.


There is even behavioral modification on forums like this, I have noticed patterns where certain types of posts trigger posts that would be thought to be despair inspiring with bad news, and other types of posts get posts spammed that are positive in thought.

There is also a trending of incomplete information in post forcing a usage of a wider informational set and by that interpretation also giving feed back on ones own thoughts, since any interpretation speaks of the person interpretation more then what he sees. Although the reason I form different language sets and connections is to avoid most of the conditioned ones so deeply put into so much of information visible.


The very trend of some forces posting here have shown patterns of trick or treat in correlation to other posts, if you notice that, you separate your need to have a 'popular' concepts be what guides you.

There are somethings called hints, that do lead to posts, the Conan commercial obviously leads to a post of Red Sonja, but the choice to post it is not from the connection, but by a choice of agreement with many thoughts from that commercial concept. The concepts as seen by me the poster, not concepts in the movie, or other places, but the concept mentioned in his commercial that I choose to agree with.


So in all things where hints try to guide a decision or action, you have to not act by habit or association, but by thought if it has an agreed upon effect or statement of your thought, not just someone trying to get you to follow some pattern.


In the same way, there is a thin chance that lab doctrine is actually part of existence, and from that possibility, not giving in to what can not be shown and argued as correct makes sense. And because it feels right to not give in to wrong.

So the training that is spoken of, is in many things, but if you find the small parts of things that have values you agree with, removing the data, or labels, and instead finding the meaning to you, how you want to see it, you can remove the programming from many things, but you also have to see what parts are programming and what parts are expression of some thought for reasons of sharing a concept, and think on the intent of that sharing.

Everything can be said to program a person, since everything you are exposed to has some impact on your thought process, but choosing what parts you integrate into your decisions seems to be a how to maintain better decision.



It also had the great comment of fear versus love, and how some believe fear is more powerful, the thing is fear has to be increased in a fear system, because it also creates courage, so fear based systems fail. Eventually you have no fear, no desire to just impress some system, and no attachment to a 'treat' or thing as a reward.

At that point most conditioning effects are removed, so then only subliminal can be used, so you have to purge common instinctual fears with thought and feeling within perspective, things like out of perspective tv then can not move you in a direction.

So then you are free from conditioning, and see that society is pretty messed up, and you start to really try and find a way that is centered more around dignity and compassion, with a balance of a fair compensation for wrong done that was used to try and condition you when you were noticed to not be a cog in their machine.



Did you notice some of the conditioning in the title screen? I actually understand subsets of society and their various values.




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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:12 PM
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12. Some of the beer money has been found. nt
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 09:11 AM
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4. While working at a grocery store, I was livid when they were trying to take all skill out of jobs.
Even if it took twice as long, they wanted to remove things like thinking in order writing, and skills in prediction product needs for example. They wanted complete ordering done by systems that took no thought.

That documentary repeats what I suspected, they did not want any requirement of having skill in a job, since having a skill is a way to be needed above some cheaper labor.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 10:05 AM
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5. Very interesting....almost feel like a lab rat myself will finish it later
when I have more time but I realy don't like what I am seeing and hearing, to many roads are connecting.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 10:20 AM
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6. Is this the same as the 1999, Laurent Cantet, french movie....
"Human Resources"?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 10:27 AM
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7. I watched the trailer--It's a different film n/t
n/t
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 10:43 AM
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8. Thanks Lydia n/t
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 10:59 AM
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9. At the end of the clip there is a picture of a rat with electronics on its head.
That is an experiment where the current is used to steer the animal left or right. Read about it years ago.


Here is the question, what person or group would do such a study and why? What possible moral application could there be for such an experiment if you did not think in terms of wanting to control something.

Why is it allowed? Why does it happen? And what is the moral mindset of those that want to experiment on those type of studies?



Nice barb at the end also, let the pigeon explain what is going on, in other words, check the feedback from people that reply to such experiments in many forms. The reason for noise.


And one more comment on that topic, just in case.

Feasibility Study.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/67546/outer-limits-feasibilit...
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:12 PM
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21. The moral mindset is about control in both films as well as in the
"Feasibility Study" that you linked to. Thanks for posting that.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 03:55 PM
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10. k&r - Everyone needs to see this film - while were free to watch it.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:10 PM
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11. K&R AND bkmrkd.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:13 PM
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13. K&R. Will watch it tonight. n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:23 PM
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14. K&R
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:27 PM
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15. Bookmarked for later ~
It sounds like I'm not going to like what I learn though. Thanks for the post.

:kick: and rec'd
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:31 PM
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16. Hmm... interesting...
it's a shame the download link is so slow... then again, I suppose MegaUpload will get taken down by DHS eventually :(
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 04:34 PM
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17. I clicked to watch it from there rather than download,
It started right away and there weren't any pauses.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 05:11 PM
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19. Very well done so far. I'm at the part where Watson graduates to human beings.
This is very well done but still disturbing. Thanks for posting this (rec'd).

"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half." -Jay Gould, US Financier :scared:
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 05:29 PM
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20. I'm watching that part too - I watched the other film first.
Now it's about the funding of the eugenics movement by corporations (Rockefellers) in the United States.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 11:00 PM
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22. that was depressing. some things in it i'd not known. like 77 hours on lsd at lexington.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 11:17 PM
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23. Just finished watching
Edited on Sat Nov-27-10 11:37 PM by IDemo
That has to be among the blackest two hours I've spent - Recruitment of Nazi doctors to continue working on human behavior control. Experimentation on young children using LSD. Countless thousands of innocents used to tweak torture methods over the course of decades. An entire educational system designed to produce not thinkers, but obedient workers (Carlin had it right, didn't he?)

Highly recommended viewing, but you may need a handful of Prozac to finish it, brought to you by Eli Lilly - the company that first produced LSD and offered it for use to the CIA for its evil ends.

Well I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free!!

:hide:
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 08:08 AM
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24. Their other film, Psyops (Human Resources) is worth watching
and describes the uses of mind control, disinformation, and the creation of reality by PR firms and the MSM.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 11:38 AM
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25. Interesting and disturbing. Thanks for posting this.
I studied psychology in college back in 1975, and many of the names that were mentioned are very familiar. I knew about their experiments on humans. I thought it strange when our professors introduced those studies without comment on the cruelty of them.

Some pearls of wisdom from people who thought they knew more than they really did (my old professors):

Sexual molestation of boys by their mothers, has no real lasting negative impact on the child.

A person can not overdose and die from cocaine use.

A bit of useful info for those here on DU.

When people are allowed to talk out and discuss problems, even if the problem is NOT resolved and the solutions are NOT implemented, they feel better and their productivity increases. This may be why so many here express their concern about the future of our country yet don't seem willing to go out and act to do something about it by protesting and joining rallies. They feel better simply expressing their thoughts here on DU and don't feel the need to act.

Another item for those who feel angry all the time: "frustration aggression" - When your goal is blocked or frustrated, aggression breaks out at inappropriate objects.





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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 09:13 PM
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26. kick n/t
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