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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:06 AM
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The "Co-Chair's Proposal": Who Wins? Who Loses? A look at the numbers:




The "Co-Chair's Proposal" (Caution:slow loading pdf) asserts that their proposals will "increase progressivity" (page 45) and "distribute (the) burden fairly" (page 9).

Let's examine "progressivity" of their entire approach.

Specifically, let's examine the "Co-Chair's Proposal's" effects on the marginal federal tax burden* and changes in benefits for low income, middle class, and wealthy Americans:




Currently, while some lower income Americans have a income tax rate of zero (assuming zero "taxable income"), all bear a 15.3% FICA tax burden from the first dollar, for a total federal marginal tax rate of 15.3%. For lower income Americans, the following aspects of the "Co-Chair's Proposal" are relevant:
- - - Continuation of their marginal federal tax burden of 15.3% from the first dollar,
- - - Creation of a "special minimum benefit to keep full-career minimum wage workers above the poverty level",
- - - Gradual increase the full retirement age to 69 with "a hardship exemption for those unable to work beyond 62",
- - - Reduction of future COLA's by recalculating inflation using "chained CPI"
- - - Raising the gasoline tax by .15/gallon,
- - - Elimination of the earned income credit and child care credit.


For many middle income Americans, it is problematic to calculate the net effects of tax cuts and eliminating exemptions such as the child care credit, the earned income credit, the home mortgage deduction, and the 15% rise in gasoline taxes (weighed against possible higher standard deduction, etc). Whether there is a net benefit or net loss under the various options will vary among families.


A middle class entrepreneur or professional earning under the FICA cap currently has a marginal income tax rate of 25% and a FICA tax of 15.3% on all income, resulting in a marginal federal tax rate of 40.3%. The "Co-Chair's Proposal" states that it would "raise the taxable maximum (subject to FICA taxes) from 86% to 90% of wages by 2050". The proposal is deliberately vague as to what level of income would be subject to FICA taxes, but a rough estimate would be an increase from the present $106,800 to perhaps$150,000 in 2010 dollars. In any event, the "Co-Chair's Proposal" stipulates that the top 10% of income (all of which goes to individuals in the highest 2%, will continue to be EXEMPT from FICA taxes. Under all options of the "Co-Chair's Proposal", this middle class entrepreneur or professional just under the FICA tax cap would continue to have a similar federal marginal tax rate (of at least 38.3%).


BILLIONAIRES, however, like all others with income over the FICA cap, under current law have a marginal income tax rate of 35%, and a FICA marginal tax rate of 2.9% (Medicare only, as all income over $106,000 is exempt from other FICA taxes), for a total federal marginal tax rate of 35.9%. (scheduled to rise in 2011 to 39.6% + 2.9% = 42.5%). Option 1 of the "Co-Chair's Proposal) would reduce the marginal federal tax rate for billionaires to 23% income tax + 2.9% Medicare tax = 25.9% total federal marginal tax rate by continuing to EXEMPT almost all billionaires' income from SS taxes. Option 2 differs only in that it continues both the Bush tax cut (to 35% income tax) as well as the EXEMPTION from SS taxes for billionaires, FOREVER (for a total federal marginal tax rate of 35% + 2.9% = 37.9% federal marginal tax rate.









By choosing to finance the (very modest) benefits to the poorest Americans, NOT from General Revenues (income taxes) from which the very wealthy 2% are not exempt, by instead from the REGRESSIVE PAYROLL TAX, while simultaneously slashing Social Security benefits of the middle class, the Co-Chairs have chosen to turn FDR's Social Security from an retirement insurance program into a welfare program PAID FOR ENTIRELY BY WORKING CLASS & MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS.





IMPROVING THE STATUS OF THE MOST VULNERABLE AMERICANS IS A MORAL NECESSITY.


The equitable method to accomplish this through General Revenues (income taxes) which also are paid by the very wealthy. Helping the most vulnerable should not be done by stealing the Social Security benefits and payroll taxes of the middle class, while EXEMPTING the 10% of personal income (belonging to the most wealthy) from FICA payroll taxes.




Americans have, with their payroll taxes, created a $2.5 trillion surplus, invested in Treasury bonds, which is sufficient to pay for all benefits in full until 2037, even with the current exemption of 14% of national income from FICA taxes. (And, interestingly, the Social Security trustees have stated that only a 13% increase in revenue would be the amount needed for perpetual solvency.) As middle class FICA taxes have already created a system with greater proportional benefits to lower income Americans, it is clear that middle class payroll taxes have more than funded currently promised middle class benefits.

The problem is that FICA-exempt plutocrats are not satisfied to have avoided taxes by borrowing SS Trust fund surpluses to finance wars and corporate welfare: Now they are demanding that fully funded middle class SS benefits be slashed so that the necessary increases in benefits to the poor be financed solely on the backs of working and middle class Americans, while the plutocrats continue to pay a marginal federal tax rate lower than that of an entrepreneur earning $106,800.

Middle class Americans, including entrepreneurs and professionals, who have in good faith earned their benefits with a lifetime of contributions, both deserve and need those benefits for a secure retirement.

To steal middle class Social Security so that the wealthy do not have to share the cost of helping our most vulnerable is a morally compromised policy.

America has been built upon, and needs, a strong middle class.

America is ENDANGERED by a pampered and TAX-EXEMPTED plutocracy which in recent decades has come, as a result of misguided policy, to control a historically unprecedented percentage of national wealth and income.

Slashing middle class Social Security benefits for the benefit of FICA-exempt plutocrats will be a mortal would to our endangered middle class.

And a wounded middle class is a poor omen for the survival of our open society, and will destroy the political coalition that elected our party in 2006 and 2008.














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* (The marginal federal tax burden on income at each level is the sum of federal income, FICA, and Medicare taxes levied on the highest dollar earned in wages, self-employment, or other income. The FICA tax consists of 10.6% to the Social Security Old Age & Survivor's insurance, 1.8% Social Security Disability insurance, 2.9% Medicare, for a total 15.3% FICA tax. For the self-employed the FICA tax is collected as a 15.3% self-employment tax. For Americans employed by others, the FICA tax is collected as 7.45% "from the employee" and 7.45% "from the employer". The tax burden in both cases is 15.3% and the point(s) at which this 15.3% tax is deducted and collected is immaterial, as the same 15.3% is paid on compensation, is unavailable for take home pay, is non-negotiable, and has identical effects with respect to demand/supply curves and wage negotiations.)





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:12 AM
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1. Social Security does NOT add to the debt ... it's paid for by employees and employers ...
and government merely administrates the program -- 3% administrative costs.

We've just had pulled off one of the greatest financial coup d'etats ever in the

bail outs --

Our total debt since Revolutionary War thru 1990's was 12 Trillion --

Bail outs -- 12 Trillion --

Bail outs and Sell outs --

We're the ones being sold out --



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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:31 AM
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2. k&r
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:31 AM
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3. This needs to be out in front of everyone.
Far too important to our parents, ourselves, and our children.
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:42 AM
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4. Recommend.
These proposals have to be squashed.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:03 AM
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5. Rec'd and bookmarked. n/t
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:07 AM
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6. Recommended!
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:08 AM
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7. K & R nt
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 03:16 AM
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8. I didn't know if they recommended extending the Bush tax cuts
but it seems they have.

The only way to deal with this is to disband this Commission and send them on their way. They are so removed from the people, it is obvious they are not qualified to have ever been in a position to advise Congress, who DO represent the people, (questionable I know). They are billionaires. And their proposals demonstrate what James Galbraith said, they made themselves irrelevant the minute they brought SS into a discussion about reducing the Deficit.

If Democrats do not immediately (which I'm glad to see some have already) completely condemn these proposals, they will risk making THEMSELVES irrelevant for a long time to come.

Thank you for posting this.

:kick:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:20 AM
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44. not only extend them, but reduce them further. it's madness.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 04:16 AM
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9. K&R. Good analysis... Thanks for posting!
:hi:
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:15 AM
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10. Excellent post K&R nt
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:20 AM
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11. Thanks for posting this!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:22 AM
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12. Kick - rec'd and bookmarked. We've got to push back against this!
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:31 AM
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13. K&R n/t
:kick:
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:32 AM
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14. .
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:52 AM
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15. This commission needs to be staffed
proportionally to the population. 35% unemployed and below the poverty line, 55% middle class and 10% wealthy instead of 100% wealthy. Maybe then we will see an equitable plan. Currently we are not represented. I am afraid for the future if they try and pass this dreck. I foresee civil unrest of the worst kind.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 11:16 AM
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30. That's an excellent idea!
I think this commission, itself, should be dumped into the recycle bin.

But as Congress takes up these sorts of issues, there definitely should be panels of citizen advisers just as you describe!

:thumbsup:

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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:49 PM
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40. dump obama with it, it was his idea. nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 11:37 AM
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34. "I foresee civil unrest of the worst kind."
from your lips to Dog's ears...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:12 AM
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16. k
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:16 AM
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17. K&R
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:32 AM
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18. K&R
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:48 AM
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19. I thought the brief overview provided by the AP article I read was bad.
But the devil IS in the details. The specifics are more horrendous than I imagined.

They seriously believe the rich should NOT carry any of the burden of support for the poor.

The Co-Chair proposal seems to be an instruction booklet on how to destroy the middle class.

Wow, just wow.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:35 AM
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22. Building the "reform" around the regressive (capped) payroll tax, combined with diverting that tax


....to achieve other objectives, is what makes all options of the "Co-Chair's Proposal" so damaging to the middle class, while sparing the tax-advantaged super wealthy.

For years the Trust Fund, built up of payroll taxes only on incomes below $106,800, have been borrowed in order to finance wars, corporate welfare, etc WITHOUT TAXING the super-wealthy.

The current plan uses these funds for some laudable goals (helping lowest income Americans), but by achieving this with the regressive payroll tax it slashes the benefits of the middle class, while leaving the very wealthy exempt.

So a lot of the devil is in the intentional assumption underlying the entire approach (turning Social Security more into a needs based welfare program rather than FDR's insurance program - - while still retaining the regressive capped payroll tax approach, rather that financing low income subsidies with GENERAL REVENUES, that is, income taxes, that do NOT EXEMPT most of the income of the very wealthy.





Other than that, the proposal is frustratingly vague in many details, making analysis problematic. (Although the particularly odious "Option 1" with a tax cut to 23% makes an easy target - - - (one must wonder if the 23% option was inserted so as to divert our attention from the fact that they continue the most odious aspect (continuing the exemption to income ocer the FICA cap even as they rob the Trust Fund for other purposes.)



Thanks for your comments.



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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 11:33 AM
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46. Exactly, borrowed to pay for their wars and now they want to tell us they need more.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:04 AM
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20. Nice work. k&r n/t
-Laelth
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:07 AM
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21. Drop a bomb on the "catfood" commission and put it out of (our) misery.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:39 AM
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23. K&R. nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:40 AM
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24. Excellent anaysis! thanks for posting and the headsup!
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:04 AM
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25. Excellent! K&R
n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:25 AM
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26. K & R. n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:32 AM
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27. Helpful and interesting analysis, thank you.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:35 AM
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28. big kick!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:49 AM
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29. In its very simplest terms:
When the RICH pay LESS, the Working Class and their children pay MORE as they become responsible for a greater portion of the national debt.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 11:18 AM
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31. K&R
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 11:20 AM
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32. Excellent post. A key take-away, IMO:

...the Co-Chairs have chosen to turn FDR's Social Security from an retirement insurance program into a welfare program PAID FOR ENTIRELY BY WORKING CLASS & MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS.


:thumbsup:

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 11:35 AM
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33. Have you heard their bullshit phrase "If everyone is feeling some pain..
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 11:36 AM by ProudDad
then we're doing it right."?

WHAT A PILE!

We all know that those who made out like bandits for the last 35 years will make out better under their bullshit "proposals"

and even if the "pain" were evenly distributed...

WHY THE HELL SHOULD THOSE OF US WHO HAVE FELT THE PAIN OVER THE LAST 35 years, especially the poor be subjected to MORE PAIN!!!!

SHIT! :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:39 PM
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35. K&R. Thanks for the clear, pointed analysis.
:kick:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 01:27 PM
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36. K&R!

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 03:41 PM
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37. K&R!!!
:dem:
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 06:29 PM
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38. good information. kick for the evening crowd
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:56 PM
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39. # 61 n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 12:06 AM
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41. k&r
:thumbsup:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 12:21 AM
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42. knr nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:09 AM
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43. So sorry I missed this. Excellent. n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:23 AM
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45. K&R. There's also a *corporate* tax reduction in there; corporate taxes now
fund around 7% of the federal budget, down from something like 20% in the 60s.

I'm also not seeing that even the poor would get any benefit: seems like the benefits are cancelled out by the claw-backs:

Benefit:
- - - Creation of a "special minimum benefit to keep full-career minimum wage workers above the poverty level",

Clawbacks:
- - - Gradual increase the full retirement age to 69 with "a hardship exemption for those unable to work beyond 62",
- - - Reduction of future COLA's by recalculating inflation using "chained CPI"
- - - Raising the gasoline tax by .15/gallon,
- - - Elimination of the earned income credit and child care credit.
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