Can someone tell me how the Indian purchase of Boeing 737s will create 50,000 jobs?

[End Of The Road]

Boeing makes about 37 737s per month. They hope to have that number up to 40 per month in the next few years.

They currently have a backlog of orders totalling about 2000 737s.

Soooo... how does this compute? I don't see how jobs will increase without Boeing cranking out MANY more planes per month.

Somebody who has figured this out, please clue me in.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. A few Indian Corps are looking to set up shop

in the US... mostly in the usual suspects, right to work states. That's where that is coming from.

Source... NPR not too long ago...

let me see if I can track that down.

Here is one example

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14204620

[Javaman]

5. Looking...

then when they are finshed gazing, they will promptly open a shop in their home country at slave labor wages.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. They will set SOME here

mostly it cuts down on transport costs...

But 50K jobs? Don;t think so.

[End Of The Road]

8. Thanks! That last sentence was an eye-opener:

the Georgia Department of Economic Development says that roughly 25 percent of jobs in the state are with foreign-based companies.

Hmmm...I guess I'm just in a cranky mood today...but I've got to wonder if any of those foreign-based companies are actually U.S. corporations that moved their charter offshore? At any rate, I'm happy Wipro is coming here. A job is a job.

Thanks again for the link.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. It IS foreign companies

Not that many Americans realize this, we are becoming a source of cheap labor for OTHER nations... that is essentially globalization at it's core.

[Posteritatis]

2. It could be that there could be as many as two, or perhaps three or more, different exports?

Do you seriously think the jobs figure is strictly tied to one(1) purchase that's been in the news lately?

[End Of The Road]

4. No, I'm actually trying to figure out where they got that number.

India also ordered 10 C-17s. Boeing only makes about 15 of those per year, and they were actually thinking about ending production entirely not too long ago. So those jobs are going to be "safe" for awhile, but I don't see where the purchase is going to create new jobs.

I'm not saying the prez just pulled the 50K number out of his ass. I just like to check facts.

[Posteritatis]

6. I strongly doubt the 50K figure was exclusively aircraft exports

I first saw it as a ballpark argument that $X in exports tends to result in Y jobs and that the goal was to create 50,000 jobs' worth of production through doubling American exports. Nobody anywhere has claimed that those jobs were exclusively in aircraft sales to India.

[End Of The Road]

9. True, trade restrictions with India have been eased

so we'll be exporting more tech & nuke stuff that was forbidden to them before. I haven't seen data on those orders yet... still looking.

[dgibby]

3. Boeing has a new plant in the Charleston,SC area.

They're building the new Dreamliner here, and are hiring. A friend of mine just started working there. They've sent him to the local community college for aeronautical engineering related classes, are paying for school and he's getting a paycheck as well. He says the bennies are good, too.

I don't think the plant is fully operational yet, but has geared up fairly rapidly. It's supposed to create lots of jobs now and in the future.

[walldude]

11. It won't. But we have nothing else to sell

We don't make anything but weapons and byproducts of weapons. Thom Hartmann was just talking about this.

[Posteritatis]

12. Thom Hartmann was wrong, but I suppose if it fits the narrative... (nt)

[walldude]

17. Really? Tell me exactly what do we manufacture

here that we can export to India?

[Posteritatis]

19. Agricultural goods, chemicals, vehicles, electronic and industrial equipment...

You think that more than a trillion dollars a year is just outsourcing jobs and selling weapons? Seriously?

Seriously, it's not hard to look these things up. Why don't you do it instead of letting a columnist decree empirically false reality to you? Claiming the US exports nothing but weapons is incredibly idiotic and actively ignorant; you should be embarrassed to even try to argue that in a public place.

(And while you're at it, consider that India isn't the sole trading partner the US has, much as DUers seem convinced it is.)

[pampango]

22. Same stuff as Europe and they're negotiating going "free trade" with India.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=EN&type=IM-PRESS&reference=20090325IPR52628

[Pavulon]

23. CNC machine tools and other tool and die equipment..

Sell to Indian companies all the time.

[Ikonoklast]

38. The United States is still the largest manufacturing economy on Earth.

For now...we will soon be surpassed by China, but we still makes lots of stuff.

See: http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/product/enduse/exports/c5330.html


Lots of bulk commodities, foodstuffs account for those numbers, but plenty of finished manufactured goods on that list.

[pinboy3niner]

13. One Boeing 737 has more than 367,000 component parts

When someone talks about jobs related to 737 production, I suspect they're including the jobs at all parts manufacturers/suppliers involved in production of the aircraft (though not all are U.S. jobs).

Here's one statement from Boeing that mentions 737 parts production:

Boeing Commercial Airplanes performs major assembly of all 737s at its factories in the United States; however, parts for the airplanes come from suppliers all over the world.

Assembling a 737 is a complex job. Factory employees must take 367,000 parts; an equal number of bolts, rivets and other fasteners; and 36 miles (58 kilometers) of electrical wire; and put them all together to form an airplane.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/feature/737.html

[End Of The Road]

24. The new orders will keep the 737 workers employed.

And the auxiliary manufacturers' employees will still have jobs. So we're saving jobs, which is good. The 50,000 new jobs will have to be somewhere else, I think.

[pinboy3niner]

35. I don't know where the "new" came from

Starbucks Anarchist's post, below, links an article on the trade deals "supporting" more than 53,000 U.S. jobs based on the Boeing deal and others:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9514670&mesg_id=9515830

[Exilednight]

28. And here's the caveat ............

Boeing Commercial Airplanes performs major assembly of all 737s at its factories in the United States; however, parts for the airplanes come from suppliers all over the world.

In other words, all the individual puzzle pieces are made overseas, we just put the puzzle together here.

[pinboy3niner]

36. ALL the parts are made overseas?

That doesn't seem likely, and you don't provide a link to support it. I don't know what the breakdown is between U.S. and foreign parts production, but I'd expect there is a mix of both.

[Exilednight]

37. I was using your source, and I am sure that some parts are made here in the US, but I bet ..........

the majority are made overseas. If they weren't, then Boeing would be touting the percentage.

[gmoney]

14. 50,000 jobs in India?

[Posteritatis]

15. In the US, which has been stated repeatedly through this. (nt)

[valerief]

16. 50,000 H1B jobs? nt

[Exilednight]

29. I bet a good percentage of them are. n/t

[treestar]

18. The government gets the figure from somewhere

Prove that your hunch is more accurate, I suppose.

[End Of The Road]

20. In defense of Obama, I think he was misquoted.

This is what I can find as an actual quote from the prez:

"I want to be able to say to the American people, when they ask me, 'Why are you spending time with India? Aren't they taking our jobs?' I want to be able to say, 'Actually, you know what? They just created 50,000 jobs.' And that's why we shouldn't be resorting to protectionist measures. We shouldn't be thinking that it's just a one-way street," Obama said.

NOTE: He says he WANTS to be able to say that. Not that he IS, currently, able to say that.

My hunch is that the media, either because they're total idiots or because they wanted to set him up for criticism, reported it otherwise.

Whatchu think?

[End Of The Road]

21. Oops, I've got to take that back (damn)...

I read the transcript of the speech at whitehouse.gov and it says:

"And today’s deals will lead to more than 50,000 jobs in the United States -- 50,000 jobs. (Applause.) Everything from high-tech jobs in Southern California to manufacturing jobs in Ohio."

So he wasn't misquoted. Both quotes are correct.

Well, I guess we'll have to hope that it SAVES 50,000 jobs.

[me b zola]

25. Here's how I figure

With the additional profits, Boeing's execs & board members will need to hire people to decorate & staff their new homes that they will buy. Non-union help, of course.

[End Of The Road]

33. LOL! That's the spirit

And illegal immigrants to do their hair and nails!

[me b zola]

39. You've broken the code!

New jobs in America! :woohoo:


/sarc

[KittyWampus]

26. it wasn't just Boeing's. Maybe if you'd read actual articles, you'd know that.

[End Of The Road]

27. If you read the entire thread, you'd know

that I was well aware that it wasn't just Boeings.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

30. Here's some info:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jDhWNvj-KgnXtfilvMa-8VXMjwiA?docId=8376ef7584f149fcb19a68f67f9fae29

[Posteritatis]

31. Great find - lots of figures there. (nt)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

32. And it sure beats the "He meant 50,000 jobs in India" meme.

Amazing how DUers can sometimes act like freepers when it comes to research.

[End Of The Road]

34. Yeah, and the article says

the deals will "support" x number of jobs, not create.

It's going to keep people employed that otherwise might have been laid off (the C-17 people especially). I thought Obama had meant that it would create x number of NEW jobs. The two things might mean the same thing, or they might not.

Really appreciate the link, thanks!