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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 05:57 PM
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The Republican took the House. Get over it already
I knew in November 2008 the Republicans would take back quite a few seats. I didn't necessarily believe they would become a majority, but I fully expected large losses.

When Obama took office we were already fighting two wars, we had enormous deficits and the economy was on the brink of a total collapse. Not a recession, a complete and total collapse of our financial system, the entire US auto industry and the combination would have caused other industries to collapse. Before I joined the army I worked in the private sector through a number of recessions. What we were facing in 2008 wasn't even close to any of those, it was fucking epic!

The Democratic Congress and President Obama passed all kinds of different legislation aimed at long and short term investments in jobs and our economy, along with new consumer protections and financial reforms and oversights to help prevent this shit in the future. And they did all of this when a Republican opposition who had one, single goal in mind - STOP the Democrats from fixing anything at all cost. No matter how much anyone bitches about what "more" they could have done, nothing would have created a rosey picture by now.

We've progressed from facing an economic apocalypse to the recession having been over since July of 2009, a painfully slow recovery and high unemployment. And that last point is what this election was really all about.

Unemployment is still very high! The American people have a very short term memory. Most Americans don't remember or don't care about what we were. They don't think about what the economic shit storm could have turned into. Most Americans don't even think about or care about who's fault it is. Times are hard and the Democrats are in power. Period, point blank.

Here are three reasons the Democrats were destined to lose seats

1: The Economy (the fact that the Democrats aren't the ones who fucked it up is irrelevant)

2: The party in power in the Executive branch always has tougher times in Congressional races.

3: The Democrats had already won the past couple Congressional elections and had a huge majority. You can only win so many seats and hanging on to power for the long haul is a feat under any circumstances.

Could the Democrats have played their hand better and saved a couple seats? Sure, absolutely. But the overall reason for the ass whooping wasn't because of the public option. It wasn't because Obama tried too hard to compromise. It wasn't for any other reason people like to scream about on the internet.

For the life of me I will never understand some of the obsessive hatred for Obama I've seen from some people online. Under Bill Clinton's Presidency we lost both the House *and* the Senate right away, and he didn't have the cards stacked against him nearly to the point Obama had. Bill Clinton also didn't inherit anything close to the pile of shit Obama had to contend with and to make matter worse, the Republicans are even more nasty, and more disciplined now than they were through most of Clintons administration. They didn't really start honing their asshole skills until the Impeachment proceedings, and that was toward the end.

Still, we Democrats lost the House and Senate never to regain them under Clinton's watch. I wasn't surfing the web back then (thanks for this, Gore) but among fellow Dems in the real world I didn't see nearly the shit flinging toward him over it as I do now.

It happens. It's politics. Have your pet peeves all you want about how Obama tried too hard to work with Republicans. Lord knows I have my own, and I'm willing to be Obama quietly has his own regrets about naively thinking in a crisis Republicans would step up to the plate. But let's be real. In the end this was about the economy, stupid.

Now can we stop all of the silly shit and start going after the real enemy? I'll give you a hint. It has a huge penis for a nose and loves to eat peanuts.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:01 PM
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1. Best post of the past 24 hours. You win the internet.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:04 PM
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2. I am not that upset about losing the house. I am more upset we wasted the two year window we had.
It needed to be treated like they knew it would only last until the midterms and they should have ran roughshod to pass a health care bill with a medicare buyin.

Killed DODT.
Rolled back the Bush tax cuts for the rich.
And as many things as the possibly could have knowing full well the mid terms would end it.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:26 PM
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21. So you're saying nothing has been accomplished in the last two years?
www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

Use it as a palliative...:)
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:46 PM
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24. Didn't say that. Just said we could have done alot more if it had been treated as....
a window of opportunity from the start.

A medicare buy-in would have been a huge help.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:17 AM
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37. I understand that everyone did not get everything, but to say the last two
years were wasted is a bit hyperbolic.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:07 PM
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3. The economy is not like the weather
The economy is not fate, it is directly affected by government policy.

The fact that it was about the economy is not an excuse, it is an indictment.
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:12 PM
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6. Only for those who *want* to indict the Democrats
Democratic Congress and President Obama passed all kinds of different legislation aimed at long and short term investments in jobs and our economy, along with new consumer protections and financial reforms and oversights to help prevent this shit in the future. And they did all of this when a Republican opposition who had one, single goal in mind - STOP the Democrats from fixing anything at all cost. No matter how much anyone bitches about what "more" they could have done, nothing would have created a rosey picture by now.


Such a huge economic crisis that was years in the making takes years to recover from. And unemployment is always the last economic indicator to improve when coming out of a recession, which BTW ended over a year ago. I can't believe you said that with a straight face.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:12 PM
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7. That is naive
Sorry, but the bill for America has been running since Ronnie Ray Gun, to expect change in 2 years is Magical thinking.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:07 PM
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4. Rational, righteous rant! Thanks.
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:14 PM
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8. What's with Obama and pie?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:17 PM
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10. Obama likes pie, and I like Obama. That's about it.
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:19 PM
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13. I love your sig pic. It's freaking hilarious!
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 06:26 PM by USArmyParatrooper
That look on his face like there's nothing else in the world besides him and that scrumptious piece of pie.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:09 PM
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5. Thank you.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:16 PM
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9. Wow. Losing a job, losing a home, having no healthcare = Pet Peeves
so noted
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:19 PM
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12. You're twisting his words. Worth noting.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:23 PM
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:23 PM
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16. I said nothing of the sort.
Anyone who reads the OP honestly can clearly see I stated the Economy (i.e. losing a job, home, etc.) is the real reason for the election outcome. And that pet peeves such as Obama being too willing to work with the right is not the real reason.

But your willingness to deliberately misrepresent what was said instead of debating honestly is also noted.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 08:15 PM
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30. Obama working with the right is the reason the economy lost us the election
How's that?


:shrug:
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 08:34 PM
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31. Sorry. I'm not taking your bait.
Maybe one of your friends is a better fisherman.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:15 PM
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34. LOL
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:18 PM
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11. Three words:
Fab. U. Lous.

For the life of me I will never understand some of the obsessive hatred for Obama I've seen from some people online. Under Bill Clinton's Presidency we lost both the House *and* the Senate right away, and he didn't have the cards stacked against him nearly to the point Obama had. Bill Clinton also didn't inherit anything close to the pile of shit Obama had to contend with and to make matter worse, the Republicans are even more nasty, and more disciplined now than they were through most of Clintons administration.

...Now can we stop all of the silly shit and start going after the real enemy? I'll give you a hint. It has a huge penis for a nose and loves to eat peanuts.


NAILED. IT. Happy to rec.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:20 PM
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14. Pretty sane and sober for a rant. Thanks for posting
:patriot:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:22 PM
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15. The blue dog lost in my former district in NY
and he tried to play all sides of field..Grayson and Feingold lost and they were thought to be Independent. It's just depended on what kind of people were sucked in by the propaganda on tv and by the big ugly campaign ads. That district in NY went mcpalin 58% in 2008..that's just stupid.

I just moved to a State in time to vote that the Dems Swept! New York, California, & Mass got Dem Gov!

We have a lot to celebrate and a lot to work on!..
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:23 PM
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18. K&R!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:23 PM
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19. K & R
:thumbsup:
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:25 PM
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20. More mad about abandoning the 50 state strategy
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 06:28 PM by pstokely
Dems didn't even run a candidate in one Missouri house seat
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:29 PM
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22. I think that is a fair criticism
We were very successful utilizing the 50 state strategy. Why we did not use it this time around is beyond me.
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Trekologer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:35 PM
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23. That bums me out too
The Democrats didn't want to run on a national platform either. I think that was a mistake--they should have come out with a plan for what they wanted to do (sort of like what the GOP did, but with realistic, detailed plans). The Democrats didn't give voters reasons to vote for them, as a whole.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:54 PM
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27. We would likely have been successful anyway in 2006, it was a mid-term and people hated Bush-Cheney.
Then in 2008, you had the impeccable organizing ability of the Obama campaign, which turned out huge numbers of Democrats.

But, feel free to attribute all of that to the 50 State Strategy.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:57 PM
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28. I agree. Using the "DEAN!!!" logic, that clownish RNC chair is a genius
NOT!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:49 PM
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25. You mean the people who want to run to Canada now are crazy?
Say it isn't so!
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 06:51 PM
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26. I just might retire in Canada someday.
I like their laid back outlook. At least, the ones I met. Seems like a low stress place to be.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 07:49 PM
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29. Yeah! Let's make sure we learn NOTHING from yesterday's losses.
This is really simple: the Democrats and the White House employed a losing political strategy. How do we know this? Because they lost.

Ignoring this obvious fact is a sure way to lose even more seats in 2012, including that seat at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 08:50 PM
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32. K&R! n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:03 PM
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33. Beautiful post!
:yourock:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:18 PM
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35. Well done, you.
:yourock:

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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:45 AM
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36. K&R! well said, USArmyParatrooper! thank you for posting this! nt
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CommonSensePLZ Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:26 AM
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38. Rec'd
but you forgot that he's a black, fascist, Kenyan Muslim who was a terrorist before he was on solid food. :)
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:36 AM
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39. Kick
:kick:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:53 AM
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40. No such thing as a jobless recovery and we haven't net created a single job in years
If you're going to insist on the Wall Street definitions then no wonder you have the point of view you do.

All you need is the stock market humming along and a couple quarters of "growth" fueled by cannibalism of jobs and investment to declare a recovery then you are in for a shock.

The system is broken and real solutions are avoided like the plague or worse.

Recovery=the wealthy can make money

Dude, the housing situation is worse and more and more are without jobs. Every single month we are slipping further.

You can argue less bad, less quickly but recovery is a load that a Vitter sized diaper cannot contain.

Keep worshiping at the beltway alter but all the faith in the world ain't gonna save the shitpile from collapsing all over the working and poor people in this country.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:18 PM
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41. Amen, bro.
K&R.
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