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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:00 AM
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Who should replace Tim Kaine at the DNC?
Obviously, tonight's results mean Kaine HAS to be dumped. Who should we bring in instead if we want someone who can actually WIN elections?

Any chance of a REAL Democrat in the job?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:02 AM
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1. How about Fox news?
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 01:02 AM by FrenchieCat
Seems like they've got their shit together, and know how to fight
and how to win, all the while advertising heavily for whom they support.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:02 AM
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2. Any homeless guy currently selling pencils on the street would be an improvement.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:38 AM
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13. Are you available?
I'm sure you'd work wonders.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:41 AM
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15. Oh c'mon Frenchie, you can't still support Kaine.
The man hasn't achieved any successes in his entire tenure at the DNC.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:03 AM
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19. I don't blame one guy.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 02:08 AM by FrenchieCat
I blame a conglomorate of media organizations who colluded with their snotty Internet cousins,
way more.

When one only hears that Republicans are gonna win starting as far back as September of the prior year of the election, I think that blaming the DNC chairman is a bit too easy, and limp.

You see though, it serves as a great excuse not to do anything at all in reference to organizing
against big media....probably because we already know we can't win,
so instead, we blame this fella or that gal, and then we at least feel like we can change
everything, only if.....

Personally, I think folks give Dr. Dean way too much credit in his stint as DNC chairman.
The man couldn't even win a primary where he had camped out for an entire year, and yet, somehow he became this terrific organizer supreme that everyone now drools about.

Look I like Dr. Dean a lot, as I think he is a fair person who seems quite rational, measured, coherent and articulate in much of what he says, BUT, I think folks take it a bit far.

Certainly, if folks want to suspend reality and believe that he alone was responsible for 2006 and 2008 victories for the Dem, and that issues such as the War (2006) and the economy (2008) had little to do with it, I think that's false. I think this calling for Kaine's head (and yes, I think that we could do better in choosing a chairman) as the answer, isn't necessarily the right answer...or the answer that would make all of the difference.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:05 AM
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20. I'm with you on organizing against Big Media.
But we also need leadership in our party who actually WANT to win.

Kaine clearly didn't care about that.

And I'm not a Deaniac. Grayson or Feingold would also be great.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:18 AM
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28. Grayson and Feingold lost their respective races, so although I'm sorry about that....
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 02:19 AM by FrenchieCat
I'm not sure I'm willing to give them the reins of the party at this time...
because although I do like Feingold a whole lot.....and Grayson too,
neither have proven to be these excellent fail safe organizers...
although truth be told, neither has Kaine.

But yes, big media is the giant elephant in our room of problems in reaching
voters, who if they were better informed, might make a different decision
while in the voting booth.

What I'm saying is that I don't truly believe that a DNC chair is going to make the
elephant go away.... and I think that the elephant is the real roadblock to just about
everything that we want to accomplish as a party in this country.....

I think only we can fight this media, or at least put a dent in the beast,
and make more people aware of their nefarious ways....if we really, really wanted to,
and worked hard at it. Currently they are getting away with murder, almost dictating
to us what's what....and I find that's much more frightening than a Tim Kaine...
who I will admit doesn't seem to have that "Something" that I would want in someone
heading an entire party organization...
Still I can't blame him for our loses.....cause I want to face our real enemy, not make one up
as though that distraction is a solution. I don't think it would be.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:20 AM
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29. And as I said, I'm with you on the Big Media thing.
Our ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:24 AM
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30. That's why we are both here.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:51 AM
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17. Kaine isn't fit to serve as fly swatter, much less dog catcher. Maybe roto rooter.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 01:52 AM by Jim Sagle
Although he'd likely muck that up as well.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:04 AM
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3. Howard Dean
Or was yours a rhetorical question?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:07 AM
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23. +1
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:07 AM
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24. +1
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:05 AM
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4. I did a post earlier tonight and said Grayson
It would give him more of a voice than he had in the House
He could have a voice in many elections vs just his
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:07 AM
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5. I was going to say Dean if he'd take the job, but Alan would
be terrific, again, IF he'd take the job.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:21 AM
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7. That is a brilliant idea!
Grayson would be perfect for the job.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:11 AM
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6. a nice keychain, maybe?
Either a keychain or Evan Bayh...not sure which is more worthless.

People should be on their knees begging for Howard Dean to come back.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:28 AM
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8. Kaine and DLC should Be Run Out Of DNC
All the potential that Howard Dean built up in DNC frittered away with all this DLC crap. We must somehow make sure that DLC is purged from the Democratic party because every time we work hard as hell to get on top, low and behold the DLC clique gets into the driver seat to steer us right back into the clutches of the rethugs. This is getting too old and we should not take it any longer from them.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:32 AM
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9. Damn straight.
Time Kaine is the Terry McAuliffe of the 21st Century.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:34 AM
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10. Either Dean or Feingold.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:35 AM
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11. Feingold, Grayson would be great... but let me guess Obama will probably give us Evan Bayh
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 01:35 AM by JCMach1
or the equivalent...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:07 AM
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25. or Newt
and I'm super cerial
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:37 AM
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12. the person who was in charge of Harry Reid's campaign
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 01:37 AM by JI7
the on the ground campaign
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:38 AM
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14. Teingold or Grayson. I think they would give it an infusion
energy.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 01:50 AM
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16. A-N-Y-B-O-D-Y could do a better job I don't know the first
damn thing about what to do but I bet I could do better.
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Mr_King Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:00 AM
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18. Co-Chairs...
Russ Feingold and David Plouffe

Feingold would frame the message and set the agenda for the DNC and Plouffe would run the fund raising side, look for candidates, and organizing the GOTV effort.

I wish Sherrod Brown could be DNC chair now but he would be too busy with his duties in the senate.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:05 AM
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21. Sherrod could be DSCC chair, though.
n/t.
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Mr_King Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:16 AM
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26. That's true...
I'd be down for that. But come to think of it he's going to be busy the next 2 years running for re-election to keep his own seat.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:18 AM
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27. You're right.
n/t.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:06 AM
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22. An actual Democrat would be a start
...'can fog a mirror' is high-bar #2
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