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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:17 AM
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Just to be clear, if Ds hang onto either house, we are calling it a victory.
If Ds hang onto both Houses, we are calling it a complete rejection of the R. point of view.

Right?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:19 AM
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1. Wow. The unrec patrol never fails to astonish me.
NGU.

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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 04:03 PM
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25. wow
the amount of times i see someone complain about Unrecs as the first reply within 3 minutes of the OP posting never fails to astonish me...


:eyes:


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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:20 AM
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2. a complete rejection of the R. point of view YES
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:21 AM
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3. a teabaggin FAIL. nt
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:21 AM
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4. If the R's win a house back, they will call it a victory too...
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:22 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
Both sides can't really be victorious.
Just sayin.

So are the R's not victorious if they gain back a house?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:22 AM
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7. Yeah, but based on the expectations of a R. blow-out...
...and all the cash they spent on this, I'm thinking our ability to hang onto either house in an effort to stop a R take-over can legitimately be called a victory.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:27 AM
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13. They will call it a "victory"
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:29 AM by Proud Liberal Dem
and it will be (for them), albeit IMHO a Pyrrhic (and temporary) one ultimately. I think that them capturing the Senate is going to be a far less likely outcome. O'Donnell's primary election victory pretty much closed THAT door for them- it would likely be considered "icing on the cake" if they win it but no big deal if they don't. Of course, neither side is likely to get anything substantive accomplished during the next two years regardless of the outcome IMHO.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:22 AM
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5. If we survive "Media-geddon"!
Can I coin that term?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:22 AM
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6. "the republican wave has apparently ebbed, and failed to capture both houses"
this is obviously a complete rejection of their extremist agenda.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:22 AM
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8. Yup
That would make my day.

I'd actually be able to sit back and enjoy watching the Republican Tea Party machine tear itself apart in the aftermath of such a failure. Let's make it happen!!!

:nuke: :popcorn:
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:23 AM
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9. HELL YES! That'd be a GREAT victory.
Very few predict a fall in the Senate.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:26 AM
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10. Of course it's a victory.
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:26 AM by Codeine
Midterms are always a bitch for the Administration's party, and quadruply so in a time of deep economic crisis. Add in all the right wing corporate money that the Citizens United decision unleashed on these races and the general tenor of the election and I would posit that by maintaining our control of the Senate we've done as well as could be hoped.

Next -- onward to 2012 and a new opportunity.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:26 AM
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11. Also, if the Rangers score a run tonight, we'll say they won the Series
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:29 AM by jgraz
You'll pardon me if I stick with the reality-based community. :eyes:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:33 AM
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16. When I was a defense attorney...
...a verdict that came back with less liability than the prosecutor's best offer was a victory. I think the Ds holding off the predicted R landslide will be a victory in reality.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:42 AM
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19. Well, in your expert opinion as a defense attorney...
what would you call it when you practically sweep a party off the map, elect a hugely popular president with a historic mandate and give him both houses of Congress with the largest majorities in a generation... and then piss that all away in just two years?

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 04:06 PM
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26. The OP was about spinning it
and it appears you're going with the Republicans.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:31 PM
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29. Do you ever get tired of posting nonsense?
Ever?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 05:34 PM
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30. "Spinning it"
yeah a euphemism for "fooling yourself". How hard is it for Democrats to say that if they lost it might just be because they didn't do a good enough job? Wait I know the answer... IT'S TOO FUCKING HARD. It'll be easier to blame the gays.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:18 PM
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31. Facing reality == helping the Republicans
What part of that don't you understand?????


(yes, :sarcasm:)
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:27 AM
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12. As long as we hold on to the presidency
we'll call it a victory regardless of outcome. The more expectations are raised for the repukes, the easier it will be to paint this as a "victory" for us.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:28 AM
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14. Anything less than a landslide is a loss for the repuke party. Nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:33 AM
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15. It makes no difference what we say or think. The media and their right wing owners will dictate the
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:35 AM by Javaman
message.

They will spin it as such: "the Democratic Left squeaked by tonight, losing big in both the house and the senate. While the right wing has made up a huge amount of ground. While the Dems still control both houses, tonight will be looked upon as a huge loss for them".

The whole "we still control both houses" will be lost in the right wing talking point machine.

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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:43 AM
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20. You mean we control both houses now?
Could have fooled me...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 12:01 PM
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22. You know what I mean. nt
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:36 AM
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17. I am with you!
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Change Happens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:37 AM
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18. Yes, we are............nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:44 AM
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21. Accidentally unrecced--mea culpa. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 04:15 PM
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28. rec'd, it's a wash. n/t
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 12:25 PM
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23. Not many Senate seats are up for grabs.
Bur losing the house will not be seen as any kind of victory for yours truly.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 12:47 PM
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24. If the Thugs don't win the House even while picking up a bunch of seats....
....they won't be able to keep their disappointment in check. They expect a 70 seat wave.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 04:11 PM
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27. Fully onboard with scenario #2. Scenario #1 I can't really agree with but your spin is strong!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 06:32 PM
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32. Damn right it would be a victory! CAN'T WAIT TO RUB IT IN!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:31 PM
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33. Yes!!! We are suppose to lose big tomorrow, if we don't we win!
Great thinking Deep13.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:35 PM
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:38 PM
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35. Agreed.
And I'll look forward to many victories in the House and Senate.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:48 PM
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36. Allow me to play devil's advocate here for a minute.
Suppose we lose at least one house. The simple fact of the matter is that no matter what, this Congress will be run by and for the best interests of Fox News - not the people, make no mistake about it. With a huge majority pushing the interests of this piece of shit network, I seriously hope their policies fail big fucking time, and it shows the world that the network should not, cannot, and will not run America. If America listens to this piece of shit network and votes with only its interests in mind, it will blow up in their faces big time.
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michaelslomo Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 10:33 PM
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37. True victory would be maintianing or increasing numbers in each house
Losing ground is not a victory.

Let's go for victory.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 10:35 PM
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38. Well if they do hold on to the majority, they'll beat expectations in the media
which isn't saying a lot our media.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:23 PM
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39. gotv
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:22 AM
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40. no, in either case.
the excuse the dems have been using for their 2 years of failure is that they didn't have enough votes in the senate. by their own standard, not extending that majority can only mean 2 more years of failure. the dems have to be held accountable for allowing the right to gain any ground at all, when all they had to do to achieve that was BE PROGRESSIVE instead of conciliatory.

one party, two branches.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 07:47 AM
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41. It will be a victory if we hold on to both houses
How can holding on to the Senate be a victory? The Dems would have to lose 10 of 19 currently Dem seats up for re-election, plus every Republican seat in order to lose the Senate. They're expected to lose a net of 7 seats in the Senate. A loss of 7-9 Senate seats in one election is huge. Why call that a victory?

I think that a much better approach if we lose the House would be to admit defeat, evaluate the cause of it, and consider what to do about it.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 08:29 AM
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42. After the propaganda the M$M has been spewing?..Keeping both houses would be a victory, Yes!!
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 08:36 AM by whathehell
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 08:33 AM
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43. How is ending up with less than you started with be considered a victory?
:shrug:
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Lexwasp Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 09:23 AM
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44. Uhhh...no.
If the Dems lose 75 House seats and hang on ot the Senate by a 51-49 margin, that will NOT be a victory.

Personally, in that instance, I'd rather give them both houses. Otherwise, their lack of control in the Senate will give them something to hang their hat on for 2012.
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