"We all voted for change we can believe in."

[Edweird]

"If we don't get it, we'll get some more change in 2010" - Howard Dean

[stray cat]

1. and gopers are doing the same - they are also voting for change!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. But, we got Politics as Usual.

[FrenchieCat]

3. I got change, and I like it......

I guess I'm acknowledging this because
I'm not so dishonest to pretend that I don't undertand politics,
and the political process.

[ananda]

4. I can make change for a dollar.

nt

[FrenchieCat]

6. I understand it when folks who don't understand politics act impatient

and self indulgent in their quest to find perfection ASAP,

But I don't understand it coming from folks who claim to understand exactly
how politics work.....and who actually know when a majority is a real majority,
as opposed when a majority is truly not, when it comes to votes for any legislation,

and whine about what they didn't get, two days before an election.

Now, I'm leaving to GOTV till this evening,
in order to see what I can do about helping
those who don't want to help anyone, including themselves.

[bobbolink]

13. Quite the self-indulgent list there.

1. "folks who don't understand politics"

2. "act impatient"

3. "self indulgent"

4. "quest to find perfection"

5. "whine"

6. "those who don't want to help anyone, including themselves."



















You left out a few epithets so I'm giving you lots of room to fill in the blanks.

[JDPriestly]

14. The legislative process requires compromise. That I can accept

and live with.

But the judicial process, the prosecutorial process, policies regarding human rights -- torture, fair trials, equal opportunity, are policies left to the administrative branch -- Obama and his appointees.

I fault Obama for his failure to use the judicial and prosecutorial processes fairly.

The Bush administration abused the judicial and prosecutorial processes. Obama has not righted what was done wrong.

Many of the Bush political appointees were left in power. Thus, our judicial and prosecutorial branch is working against the people, not for us. Siegelman's prosecution is an example of the excesses of the Bush administration. Obama left the same crew that prosecuted Siegelman in office and they continue to abuse the justice system in my opinion.

That is why I disagree with you.

I also think that Obama could have pressured the Blue Dogs more effectively when he did have to compromise.

But most important, Obama has neglected his presidential role as educator of the people. He chose cabinet members with deficient communication skills (at least with regard to communicating his ideas to the voters), cabinet members with alliances with big business, cabinet members who are not just insensitive to but apparently unaware of the problems of people on Main Street -- small businesses, ordinary taxpayers, ordinary working people.

At least for myself, my criticism of Obama is not just that he was too willing to compromise, but that, when there was no need to compromise, he refused to do what was right. So my criticism is not so superficial.

On edit, I'm in California. We have great Democratic candidates, and I already voted for them. I'm hoping that Obama will see the light. He has nothing to gain from attempting to compromise with people who do not want to compromise. I was very disappointed that even so-called "moderate" Republicans like Olympia Snowe were so unwilling to stretch a hand across the aisle.

Republicans refused to accept the fact that they lost the 2008 election.

It would be very difficult for me to campaign for Obama in 2012. But I will vote for the most liberal candidate that runs. I will vote my conscience.

[liberalmuse]

5. Or, more accurately, 'If change doesn't happen right this instant...

we'll not vote at all and allow things to go back to the same 'ol shit.' Change should be like a Hot Pocket. Just put it in the microwave and it's done in under 3 minutes!

[Edweird]

7. Tired fallacy is tired. It's not the 'speed' but the 'direction'.

[emulatorloo]

8. The forces of reaction are spending billions of dollars to destroy Democrats with 'Lie Ads"

[Edweird]

10. Just like every other election. The worst part is that since the Dems embraced RW policy

all they have to run on is "We're not as bad as the other guys" - which isn't terribly changealicious or compelling.

[de novo]

9. The Dems needed to make the change clear within 2 years.

That is the nature of American politics. If you aren't effective during your term, you aren't as likely to be re-elected.

[kenny blankenship]

12. Here's something else they could have done: attack Republicans over what their party represents

Repukes wage a war of Permanent Revolution against Democrats. 7 days a week 12 months a year they are telling Americans that Democrats aren't even deserving of US citizenship, much less political office. They portray Democrats as demagogues bleeding "real" Americans dry to lavish money on undeserving minorities. They say Democrats hate America and sympathize with the USSR/ CHina/ Illegal Immigrants/ Islamic Terrorism. They say Democrats destroy jobs and the viability of private enterprise with regulations -because secretly Democrats hate private enterprise and America. They say Democrats want homosexuals indoctrinating your children in public schools in the ways of gay marriage and blissful sodomy. They do this 7 days a week 12 months a year - and they've been doing it for 30 fucking years. What is the Democratic answer to this? Our Republican opponents make some good points and we look forward to working with them in the legislative session ahead..." Then they wonder why they get their asses handed to to them.

Getting the change required in two years was difficult if not impossible. But I'm afraid that push is coming to shove in America and if you can't get what you want because of the other party, it is necessary to destroy that other party politically. Pukes should have been called out for their obstruction on behalf of corporate interests by the President on down. EVERY DAY. Repuke criminals and warcriminals should have been put on trial instead of winked at. If Democrats couldn't get what they wanted it was up to them alone to let the people know Why Change Isn't Coming. It was up to them to explain to the people that the basic nature of what Republicans believe makes them the mortal enemy of Change We All Voted For. It was up to them to tear down the Repuke Party, to put them on the defensive permanently, and tie them up in legal proceedings. Short of a thorough explanation of their inability to effect change, it looks to the people like the Dems got what they wanted and this bullshit is as good as we can do. Short of a pitched battle against Republicans and What They Stand For, it looks to the people as if we are comfortable and happy with a national situation that has left most of the country Very Unhappy. It was up to the Democrats to bury the Repukes in the grave of their 2006 and 2008 defeats. They failed utterly and went on with Bidness as Usual. The Repukes would not -and will not- hesitate to launch ALL the attacks against Democrats that Democrats have omitted to launch against them. Let's hope there's enough left of the party to start fighting back, FINALLY, after next Tuesday.

[Vincardog]

11. That RIGHT NOW meme is as lame as the 'you got 90%' line of BS. We got a worse plan than the GOP

proposed in response to Clinton Care.
As far as Obama campaigned on it : What happened to "I will veto any health CARE bill that comes to my desk that does not contain a Public Option"?

[emilyg]

15. 2 years is not instant.