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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:22 AM
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Poll question: Durbin vs Schumer -- what does DU think about a change in Senate Majority leader?
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 11:57 AM by nashville_brook
what do DU'ers think about this possibility? Do you favor Durbin or Schumer? Or, would you just be glad to see Reid keeping his powder dry as a private citizen? Or, is it just too ugly to imagine that Sharron "the obtuse" Angle get int he Senate under any circumstance?

here's some articles on the subject:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/10/majority_leader_schumer_or_dur.html

Majority Leader Schumer or Durbin is fine by me

(snip)

Durbin and Schumer would bring different skills to the caucus and the chamber and send different messages about the intentions of the Democrats. Durbin is well-liked. He's from President Obama's home state and is close to him. He's known as a conciliator. A Majority Leader Durbin would send a signal that Senate Democrats are interested in working with Republicans.

Schumer might not be well-liked in the manner that Durbin is, but he certainly is respected. He's a strategist with a laser-like focus on the end goal, and he's not afraid to break some dishes to reach it. After three years of somewhat competent but not-so-inspiring leadership, a Majority Leader Schumer would be espresso to Reid's warm milk.

If Reid loses, we won't have him to kick around anymore. But if he survives and the Democrats hold the majority, perhaps Durbin would be the better choice for leader. If the Democrats are somehow in the minority, then Schumer would be the best pick. He'd make sure everyone knew who was at fault for any obstruction. But no matter what, a Majority Leader Durbin or a Majority Leader Schumer would be a welcome change from Majority Leader Reid.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-durbin-senate-1031-20101031,0,3864169.story

Durbin could become majority leader if Harry Reid loses Tuesday
Illinois senator could become majority leader, but at a price for Democrats

WASHINGTON — Three big ifs separate Sen. Dick Durbin, of Illinois, from the influential role of Senate majority leader.

The job is up for grabs only if Nevada voters oust the current leader, Sen. Harry Reid. The second if: Democrats would have to hold on to a majority of Senate seats in Tuesday's election. They have a 59-41 voting majority. The third if: Durbin would have to triumph when Democratic senators, behind closed doors, vote for a new leader. Sen. Chuck Schumer, of New York, one of Durbin's Capitol Hill housemates, would be a likely rival.

Durbin, 65, is assistant Senate majority leader, the No. 2 spot after Reid. Schumer, 59, is vice chairman of the Democratic conference, the No. 3 job. Both declined to be interviewed.

But behind the scenes, observers said, the two quietly are lining up potential votes while actively campaigning for Reid's re-election.



http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/69268/
Chuck in Charge
Schumer to be Dem Savior?

The majority leader of the United States Senate gets a beautiful office with a dramatic view of the National Mall. Which is a swell perk. But this won’t, next year, come close to compensating for the brutal headaches that will come with the role: a margin thinner than Taylor Swift; hand-to-hand partisan combat; nonstop fund-raising demands; the inevitable need to suck up to Joe Lieberman. So would Chuck Schumer be any good at the job? And what would be in it for New York?

(snip)

Schumer’s reward would be a task that’s daunting even in the best of political times. “There’s always a crisis, there’s always a member standing outside your lobby who has to see you immediately,” says former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle. “It’s difficult when the margins are small, especially with the increasing dependence on getting to 60 votes to get anything done,” says Sheila Burke, who was Majority Leader Bob Dole’s chief of staff. “You can’t assume you’ll hold all of your own folks, and coalitions are always shifting. It’s also going to be uniquely challenging because of 2012. You’ll have a deeply divided body in the Senate anticipating the presidential election at the same time that the White House is leaning on a Democratic majority leader to get its agenda through.”

But Brooklyn’s bike-riding, tough-minded senator could be a man for the miserable moment. He loves political infighting in a way that Daschle never did, he’s a voracious fund-raiser, and he’s a far more engaging media presence than the flinty Reid.

Schumer has also developed some quieter skills. “He has a history of working across the aisle, which will help,” Burke says. “I was in a meeting with him about additional money for teachers and Medicaid, and we were talking about how the mayor could help move the issue along,” says Howard Wolfson, a former Schumer aide who is now a deputy mayor to Mike Bloomberg. “It reminded me of reading Robert Caro’s books about LBJ. Chuck went through a list of all the undecided senators and gave an incredibly detailed analysis of each.” Yes, New York got the funds.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:25 AM
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1. Are those our only choices? 8)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:28 AM
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4. would you like an "All of the Above" option?
:evilgrin:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:25 AM
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2. GOPs afraid of Schumer? He's one of them when it comes to Wall St, war, and attacking GOOD Dems.
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 11:27 AM by blm
Schumer made sure Alito got on the court, doing everything he could to undermine the filibuster against him.

Schumer is a SNAKE!

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:28 AM
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3. i agree -- the press is spinning CS as a Grayson-esque figure. he co-authored the PATRIOT Act
for crying out loud.

still, either of these would be better than Reid, I think. and, i'd still like for the earth to swallow Sharron Angle whole.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:37 AM
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12. Schumer did his best to undermine Reid as leader, too. Most duplicitous Dem in the Senate.
The difference between Lieberman and Schumer is that Lieberman doesn't BOTHER paying lip service to the left and its bloggers, while Schumer excels at stupefying left bloggers while undermining left issues behind closed doors.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:52 AM
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30. and, i think his manner goes a long way to cover his duplicity. he talks a good game.
he's spectacular when he's "on" in Senate hearings. but, his actions don't follow.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:34 AM
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9. Exactly. If you want to complete the identification of the Dems with Wall St., just pick Chuck.
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 12:11 PM by kenny blankenship
I think that it would be really bad politically for Democrats to be led by someone like Chucky, who gets so much money from hedge fund sugar daddies like John Paulson. America will look at the Dems as the yes men for the ruling oligarchy. Not incorrectly.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:03 PM
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45. that's a great point -- i've always focused on his military orientation...but the Wall St. nexus
is prolly way more important right now.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:30 AM
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that is a conversation
for next Wednesday...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:49 AM
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25. no it's not -- this isn't about the campaign, this is about the future of the Senate
and our ability to get shit done. the Senate Majority seat is likely to change regardless of Reid's outcome.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:55 AM
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34. Why did you add that Durbin would work with Republicans?
I voted for Durbin anyhow, but not for that reason. Schumer will work with Wall St. Probably all of them will. But the poll would be better if it was just 'Durbin' V 'Schumer'.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:00 PM
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39. that's from the article -- it seemed counter-intuitive to me, but i figured the ChiTrib
had more of a feel for Durbin's methods than i do since i don't live in his state.
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Atlatl Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:30 AM
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5. Both are big gun control supporters...
I rather see either of them lose than Reid.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:33 AM
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6. I live in Nevada. Earth, please swallow Angle whole.
And I agree with a post I saw here. Senate Leaders and Speakers of the House need to be elected officials in safe seats. They will always be a target and it's almost become a prescription for losing at home to hold one of these positions if they are vulnerable to challenge.

I can hardly believe Nevadans are stupid enough to vote out the Senate Majority Leader in return for a bat-shit crazy, junior Senator. But there's a credible chance they will.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:37 AM
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13. that he's so vulnerable in this race completely blows my mind.
i'm not a fan of Harry -- i used to be. and still, i can't imagine how Angle is so close to beating him. i mean, i don't "care" for him. but to vote for Angle over him is beyond the pale.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:54 AM
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33. Years of underfunding education here have taken their toll. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:08 PM
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47. ain't that the truth!
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:33 AM
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7. Durbin is much more progressive and much tougher than corporate Schumer.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:39 AM
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16. yeah -- that's what I've always thought, and the press is painting him as a compromiser.
the two aren't exactly mutually exclusive...but i'm surprised at the portraits i'm seeing.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:46 AM
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21. Absolutely.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:34 AM
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8. Schumer would indeed, kick ass. nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:34 AM
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10. If Reid pulls that Senate race out in Nevada, the incentive
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 11:34 AM by saltpoint
to challenge him will be much less.

That said, Schumer's and Durbin's names are frequently being mentioned.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:37 AM
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14. I don't think u are right. He is weak and there will continue to be challenges.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:39 AM
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17. i think this is why he's mentioning changing the filibuster rules -- he know's he's vulnerable.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:46 AM
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22. Possibly.
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S_E_Fudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:34 AM
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11. Needs to be a progressive from a Blue State...
No more red state majority leaders....they are always looking to compromise to preserve their viability in their home states!!!
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:39 AM
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15. Love Durbin, but he doesn't come across as a fighter enough for me.
Schumer will make those fuckers filibuster!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 01:20 PM
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60. Schumer fought AGAINST filibuster of Alito. He DOESN'T fight GOPs, but is expert at undermining Dems
who have been fighting GOPs.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:41 AM
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18. well my dream would put Bernie Sanders in that job
I know - Bernie's not a democrat.
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YankeeLeft7x Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:44 AM
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19. Chuck Schumer---Not Much of an "Improvement"
Chuck Schumer also has an enthusiasm problem just like Harry Reid.

The Democrats need some young blood to take control of the party, and people not afraid to do direct battle with the Republicans.

Schumer tries to get along with these people a little too much for me. Schumer like Reid also talks in a monotone voice even it's somewhat louder in volume.

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:38 PM
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49. No improvement! Schumer is DLC.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:44 AM
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20. Your slander against Durbin is ignorant.
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 11:45 AM by Radical Activist
Are you really that easily manipulated by the corporate press to believe whatever they claim about Durbin?

He's known as a partisan and has been extremely aggressive against Republicans. He has also spent months advocating for a change to the filibuster rule. He's an excellent spokesperson for the party who will stick it to the Republicans and connect with voters outside of liberal strongholds on the east coast.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:48 AM
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23. Agree. Durbin is a good man.
He's not afraid of a scuffle either.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:48 AM
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24. slow down there cowboy -- what's the slander -- that's the spin from the press
i rally for sanity in your general direction.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:49 AM
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26. Your poll question about Durbin is ridiculous.
You're welcome to have a preference for Schumer but describing Durbin that way and claiming that only Schumer will kick ass is wrong.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:50 AM
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27. suggest an alternative and I'll change it if there's still time.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:51 AM
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29. You could just list their names.
Or you could call him the most progressive Democrat in Senate leadership.
Or the one who wants to change the filibuster rule.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:53 AM
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31. done -- :)
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 12:01 PM by nashville_brook
you're welcome.

:evilgrin:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:01 PM
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41. Cool.
Thanks.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:56 AM
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36. So, your idea of less biased is YOUR bias. Got it.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:02 PM
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43. I did suggest just listing their names.
Otherwise, listing an argument in favor of both is more fair.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:08 PM
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46. well, to be fair -- it struck me that "working across the aisle" is consistent with WH strategy
at the moment...and i kinda see the article speaking to that consistency. likely, that journo is being too cleverly politique by half b/c clearly, "working across the aisle" is not on any Dem's to-do list. especially given the tea-flavored GOPers that are coming in.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:50 AM
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28. Maybe you could edit your poll choices so they aren't so biased?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:55 AM
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35. we're just having some fun here. feel free to vote for the earth swallowing Angle whole -- :)
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:54 AM
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32. I like Durbin, but I don't like that Durbin and Obama are from the same state
We would be hearing a lot about the Chicago conspiracy, even though it doesn't exist.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:56 AM
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37. that is a good point, and it occurred to me reading the ChiTrib article.
altho -- i would love to see the most progressive choice under any circumstances.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:57 AM
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38. All/above. As much as I hope REID wins, I'd want somebody else as Leader even if he wins
SHUMER has always kicked ass about the judicial nominees.
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Mean Gene Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:01 PM
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40. Change and Hope
It's time to put "old drypowder" out to pasture.

Either of the other 2 could be adequate leaders.

jmo
Gene
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:02 PM
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42. yep -- i think either would be an improvement...and welcome to DU!!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:03 PM
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44. Durbin. nt
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:36 PM
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48. None of the above. I like Harry Reid, and I have been donating to him even though
though I live in PA.
I don't think any one mentioned above could do any better given the current makeup of the Senate.

mark
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:25 PM
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50. As a Nevadan,I agree with you and I thank you. nt
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:35 PM
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51. when I think Schumer, I think 'unctuous, backstabbing, hypocritical wall street toady'
other than that, I think he's great!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:36 PM
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52. did I forget week-kneed liar?
sorry
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 03:18 PM
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53. Making Schumer top dog means we may as well shoot the donkey and adopt the elephant
I consider him a moderate but he is surely the Senator from Wall Street and that is something we need space from rather than further entwining.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 03:37 PM
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54. I like Durbin, and I don't have a good feeling about Reid's chances,
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 03:42 PM by BlueIris
but assuming he makes it out of this one, I hope he keeps his job. And that's saying a lot, coming from someone who was originally hotly opposed to Reid being in any kind of position of authority in the Senate, and who thought he was going to fuck it up totally.

Incidentally, I voted "I want the earth to swallow that asshat Sharron Angle" option.

Uh, pardon my ignorance about Senate procedure stuff, but--if Reid stays in office, will he get to stay ML (assuming we are still the majority party in the Senate)?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 04:20 PM
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55. according to reports, there will likely be a challenge regardless of the outcome of his race
that's why i posted this...points to an emerging issue within the Senate among Dem leadership. a change might be a good thing.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 04:24 PM
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57. I hope Reid keeps his job. He's earned it.
But if he is to step down, I've always liked Durbin. And fuck Schumer. That little weasel doesn't belong anywhere near the Senate, let alone the ML position.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 04:20 PM
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56. damn dupage
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 04:20 PM by nashville_brook
delete.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 04:24 PM
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58. Durbin is more liberal, but kinda "too nice". Shumer is a political pit bull when he wants to be ...
.... but is too often ready to go for some centrist or even right wing shit to get things done. Not that it is always bad to do so, I just think he's too willing to do it.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 04:46 PM
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59. Durbin is a fellow "Illinoisian" and a true Progressive!
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Yeshuah Ben Joseph Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 01:28 PM
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61. Neither is ideal, but Schumer is entirely unacceptable.
His Wall Street whoring and sympathies for Likud extremism are not acceptable for Senate leadership.

Durbin would be a better candidate if he was not from Chicago, and if he hadn't been forced into a tearful apology to the Chimp on the Senate floor a few years back.

The next majority leader should represent the actual majority. Which is why we need Russ Feingold or Barbara Boxer in that chair.
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