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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:03 AM
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Feds approve largest-ever solar project in Calif.
Feds approve largest-ever solar project in Calif.

By MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press Writer Matthew Daly, Associated Press Writer – Mon Oct 25, 9:11 pm ET
WASHINGTON – The Obama administration has approved a thousand-megawatt solar project on federal land in southern California, the largest solar project ever planned on U.S. public lands.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar hailed the $6 billion Blythe Solar Power Project, to be built in the Mojave Desert near Blythe, Calif., as the start of a boom in solar power on federal lands.

"Today is a day that makes me excited about the nation's future," Salazar said Monday at a news conference. "This project shows in a real way how harnessing our own renewable resources can create good jobs here at home."

The Blythe project, being developed by Solar Millennium, a German solar developer, is slated for more than 7,000 acres of public land near the Arizona border, some 225 miles east of Los Angeles


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101026/ap_on_bi_ge/us_solar_public_lands



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But, why a German solar developer ... ?

Did BP buy up all the solar/wind companies in America . . . ?

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:06 AM
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1. Because Borders are imaginary lines on a map.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:22 PM
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2. ... and Americans don't need jobs -- and can no longer make anything -- ?
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:25 PM
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3. Humans need Jobs , not just Americans .n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:42 PM
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4. Well .... why be stingy ...? Why not ship ALL of our jobs overseas ... ????
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:57 PM
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5. That is a decision for each individual company or business to make . Or a decision a government can
enforce. It is not up to us individually .

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:02 PM
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6. No -- it's a decision for our CONGRESS to make ... re economic policy.....
and NOT corporations which are created by government --

it's a decision for the American people -- a la "a people's government."

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:08 PM
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7. Last I checked , Congress is part of the "government"
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 10:08 PM by UndertheOcean
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:30 PM
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8. Yes ... allegedly serving the people ... what's your point?
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 10:31 PM by defendandprotect
It is NOT a decision which corporations which should be making ---

nor should taxpayers be subsidizing these adventures to "harvest slave labor."

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:34 PM
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9. Well , they are right now , and Congress which is elected by the people is letting them
So , either congressional elections are a sham , or the will of the people is not monolithic.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:38 PM
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10. So -- you had no point and we're now discussing the corruption of Congress....
and our elected officials?

Okay --

Elections have been stolen probably since the computers began coming in --

that was mid-late-1960's!!

I'd question every election back to Nixon/Humphrey -- where we also had

something similar to Reagan's "October Surprise" going on -- i.e., an

effort by Nixon to secretly stop the VN peace meetings from going forward ....

promising that if he were elected he would offer a better deal!

Coincidentally, the computers began coming in about the same time that America

was passing the Voting Rights Act!

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:40 PM
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12. Ok , I got you , Congress is elected by computers
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:42 PM
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13. Unfortunately, REPUBLICAN computers ....
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 03:34 AM
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19. I will bet you that the Germans aren't working for cheaper than the americans
And that the German company likely has a better plan.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:39 PM
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11. I hope it starts a boom for solar but NOT on federal lands.
This should be a rare and unusual case. There's plenty of private property and existing rooftops to put solar on.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:42 PM
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14. I personally don't see the harm on appropriating , say 1% of federal land to Solar ?
what possible harm could happen ?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:49 PM
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16. There's already very few true wilderness areas left.
It would be a mistake to disrupt it in ways that can't be reversed when there are other alternatives available.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:45 PM
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15. The Germans do this just about better than anyone.
What I don't understand is why do one centralized installation instead of encourage citizens to form a network.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 03:16 AM
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18. centralization can approach higher efficiencies due to economies of scale.
Solar panels on roof tops are great, same with wind turbines. I'm more pissed that office construction hasn't already adopted it, it would make sense for the owners to want such upgrades to reduce the building power consumption, but they're more concerned about looks it appears. But a centralized facility can produce power cheaper than decentralized, which is the bottom line for energy politics. The problem isn't centralized power generation, it's a lack of proper regulation and control.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 01:16 PM
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20. Well, centralization of energy production is a problem when it's privatized
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 01:16 PM by EFerrari
and monopolized by vultures which has been the habit here. There is a Spanish maxim, "lo barato sale caro", the bargain winds up being costly.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 02:44 PM
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21. I agree, that's why regulation is so important. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 03:23 PM
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22. Richard Wolff the economist burst my regulation bubble
when he pointed out that as long as the structures of corporations, such as the Board of Directors, were unchanged, they would continue to be in a position to fight and degrade regulation. And imo, he has a point. Not to mention, the same small group of people own the media.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 12:38 AM
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17. thanks for posting this
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