Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Dry Humping Is Not Dancing.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:26 PM
Original message
Dry Humping Is Not Dancing.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:07 PM by KittyWampus
In the 6 or so years I've logged onto DU, one topic that pops up regularly is parents objecting to kids dry humping at school dancing.

The title usually calls it "dirty dancing" in an allusion to a movie where the leads actually DANCE.

The first time I clicked on one of those threads, I laughed at the prudish parents for objecting to what kids have done for centuries- come up with new dances that are sexually suggestive.

I laughed until actually seeing a Youtube of what was being referenced.

What some teens are doing now isn't dancing. They are dry-humping. A big difference.

I took dancing in school where we did The Bump and some other dances that involved some grinding thrown in with the other dance moves.

Dancing is a great way for kids to learn how to interact socially, get exercise and build confidence. It pains me that so much money gets thrown into sports like football and baseball while dance is ignored.

For some kids, dance is all they've got. Some use it to get them out of crappy neighborhoods. That's one reason the tv show "So You Think You Can Dance" deserves so much credit.

All that said, dancing involves choreography and/or patterns of movement. The Waltz, Jitterbug and The Twist all have actual step patterns. All involve some skill.

Dry Humping does not qualify as dancing. It isn't "dirty dancing". It's dry humping. And it isn't appropriate in a school setting.

If you want to get your groove on with other couples in public places, have at it. But kids in school ought to have more imagination and talent in coming up with actual DANCES to piss their parents off than just flat-out dry humping.

And that's ultimately what it comes down to- lack of imagination and talent. Some kids are so devoid of creativity they can't come up with anything better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. Well, ya know....
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. No, dancing involves actual sets of movements/steps. Dry humping doesn't.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 01:29 PM by KittyWampus
that's actually pretty empirical.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
21. Where do new dances come from then?
--imm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. people with some imagination and capacity for creativity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #3
131. Dry humping involves actual sets of movements. Steps, too, if you do it upright. n/t

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Yeah every generation does something
that the previous generation thinks is going to destroy the world. Wheather its comic books, rock and roll, or video games. We are humans are trying to push back childhood, their for the children are pushing back trying to get to adult hood faster.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
53. Dude!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
156. Do you think this is dancing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #156
166. How impersonal and exploitative. No, this isn't dancing and involves no real emotional attachment to
each other. It is a shame the females go along with this obvious impersonal, sexual stimulation for the males.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #156
167. take note how many kids arent doing it. they stand and watch.... and think
these kids that chose this behavior does it for attention, and it is irrelevant if the attention is good or bad. but the mess things up for all the kids, at these dances.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:28 PM
Response to Original message
2. I honestly cannot imagine
why anyone would think that this "dry humping" is actual dancing!

Yes, i saw the thread.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
5. Kids today.
What ya gonna do?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
6. How about wet humping?
Curious minds want to know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. i have a feeling
some du'ers would think that was okay, too - you know, kids just being kids and all -

" 'doing it' on the dance floor is just their way of expressing themselves, man . . . some people are such prudes . . . "

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
64. No, I draw the line and stripping and actual intercourse..
Nice try. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #64
141. Dance IS sex! It's one of the best forms of foreplay. Dancing is all about sex.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #141
147. Sex is dance also.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
7. Sure it is.
I can tel it's not your favorite kind of dancing, but dancing it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. If you aren't moving your feet, you aren't dancing. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
9. dry humping fans have already unrecced this thread. sad
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. I suspect a large number of them are male. Ultimately, nothing wrong with dry humping >
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:09 PM by KittyWampus
just not in school.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:39 PM
Response to Original message
10. "These young whipper snappers! They're destroying America with the Twist!"
Guess what? They're doing REAL humping before and after the dance.

Every generation has its excess, and when they get older, they forget and become prudish.

The Bump? How about the Gator? The Dirty Dog?

It's not new. youtube and parents seeing it is what's new.



Your post reminds me of the old line: Why don't Fundamentalists have sex standing up?

They're afraid someone will think they're dancing!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Guess what? Humping of any variety is a private endeavor not appropriate for a social setting.
And as I clearly stated, what is being referenced doesn't involve any step patterns.

It isn't dancing.

CYour post reminds me of the DU'er who posts without even reading what was written.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #17
37. According to Miss Manners you're right. But who listens to her?
It's just your personal attitude about it, and nothing else.



As I said, every generation does this as the decades fly by. They forget their excess.

Surely you remember the 1970s, the Golden Age of Promiscuity in America.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #10
43. so if they did real humping & called it dancing, that would be ok too?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #43
120. They're doing real humping and calling it real humping.
Whether you think it's ok or not.

Every generation has its prudish members, and they tend to get worse, not better, with age.

Glenn Beck, the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family, the Mormon church, and other assorted reactionaries agree with your moral indignation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
11. I'm going to become flamebait too and offer my opinion.
I believe that the current trend is demeaning to girls. And I can offer anecdotal evidence from my own family. A teenage girl in the fam who has engaged in this at school dances reports that girls don't usually know who they are dry humping with; that they just bend over and wiggle butt and a guy will come up from behind and dry hump her.

So I believe this is a male domination thing and that girls are demeaned in the process. Any self-respecting girl ought to be able to get up off her subordinate position and look her dance partner in the face.

Schools are right to shut it down. Parents ought to demand it.

This isn't about kids having sex. It's about women refusing to be dominated.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. excellent point.
My son's ARE dancers, so you can bet they would never ever engage in this. They have way too much respect for girls - and themselves. (and the art of dance!)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
50. ought to be able to... I had no idea the dance was mandated
well, that is a problem. All these girls being forced to dance in demeaning ways. Terrible. If only there were some way for them to stand up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #50
55. Do you understand peer pressure and social dynamics? People can torture because of social pressure
even when they would never do such a thing on their own.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 04:19 AM
Response to Reply #55
125. so now kids dancing how they want to is equal to torture?
i danced something like i imagine you're talking about (because you've not defined it or shown examples just generic phrases which remind me of 50's cliches) in the late nineties. It's really nothing new. Maybe you're seeing it on television now or something, but it's always been around. Since at least the jazz period in American history and almost definitely before. And there have always been people saying exactly the same things as you're saying. So... I guess you'll keep on just like the kids will. Let me know how it turns out for ya'.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #125
154. It's clearly sexual harassment and borders on sexual assault.
Like it or not. Public schools are to adhere to civil rights acts which consider inappropriate sexual touching, which dry humping would fall under the category of, sexual harassment and discrimination.

It does not matter if the girl engaging in it approves. In an office setting it would be demeaning to all woman for one woman to engage in this act in the aisles for her own pleasure and that of other men in the office. It creates a hostile work environment for other woman by demeaning and degrading them as being sexual objects for the pleasure of male coworkers.

Schools are held to the same standard and any of the other girls are entitled to file a complaint and sue if the school does not stop the activity. There is clearly fondling of the females sexual organs with male sex organs, whether is it through clothing or not, and is no different if men were allowed to walk up to a woman in their office and fondle their breasts through their blouses.

The schools have a legal obligation to stop this behavior, no matter how many of the girls with no self-respect engage in and enjoy it. It's not a dance, it's sexual harassment.

And please stop comparing it to slow dancing. That is a blatantly laughable analogy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #154
155. like i have said. more and more kids chose not to go to dances because they dont like the behavior
so a few want to do this and has to ruin it for all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
86. +1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
101. +1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #11
168. I agree with you. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:49 PM
Response to Original message
14. ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. someone took that photo.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
98. I always knew Rudolph was a pervert...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
15. Reminds me of the outcry of dancing with the guy holding the girl's waist!
And then it changed to putting BOTH hands on her waist!

Doesn't "dry humping" involve patterns of movement?

The Twist "involve some skill"?

"And that's ultimately what it comes down to- lack of imagination and talent. Kids are so devoid of creativity they can't come up with anything better." is rather what parents said about the Twist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. either you haven't seen what is being referenced or you have no grasp
of what is appropriate in a social setting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. Either I am clueless or clueless if I disagree with you. Gotcha. You don't address my post beyond
that.
"If it was built around a group of step patterns I'd have no problem with it."
Doesn't "dry humping" involve patterns of movement?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. No, dry humping doesn't involve a pattern of steps. Actually, you may be right aboutTthe Twist
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:13 PM by KittyWampus
although I do remember a bunch of variations on The Twist where you moved your arms up and down or flapped them like a chicken.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. So if they stepped back and forth, back and forth, then it would be ok.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #39
52. IMO, if it's part of other movements, yes it would be ok. Grinding isn't the issue.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:29 PM by KittyWampus
It's when that's ALL they're doing.

Which is what is being referenced. Dry humping. With music playing. At school.

Maybe you haven't seen what is being referenced.

If you have seen it, and you're a dancer, I have to wonder how you can call it dancing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #52
59. Dirty dancing is dance that goes beyond what you are comfortable with. OK
That is fine. Your OP is that it isn't "dance", yet it fits within YOUR definition of "dance". It is dance. It is beyond what you are comfortable with.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #32
158. Why don't you watch this video
and tell me how many dance steps you observe..


Will wait for your report :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #158
161. I report no video so no dance steps.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #161
163. my bad
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #163
165. I see several "patterns of movement" like previous poster wanted, and see
Edited on Tue Oct-12-10 12:49 PM by uppityperson
dance steps that involve undulations and body contact.

I don't particularly like it, don't see it as particularly appropriate, but it is dance.

Here's one for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr-4GWBSDM0
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #15
44. uh, when was that, 1300 or what?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. So? Moral outrage isn't specific to now. People have been outraged over and over and over
dang those kids and their "dancing" and what passes for "music" these days!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. just pointing out that your story about when people got outraged because the man had his hand on the
woman's waist = "fail".

& in modern times, the controversey was that the man *didn't* have his hands on her waist doing a nice sedate waltz.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #51
63. Back when women had "limbs" (gasp!) and never "legs" and a view of the ankle=swoon


Outrage happened. If you think that = "fail", then you demean the right of others to be outraged. "Your" outrage is fine, that of those in past= "fail".

What a guy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #63
136. +1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
16. Given what can pass for art, music and cinema these days
who are we to say this isn't "dancing".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:58 PM
Response to Original message
20. I just turned 67, and I can say very sincerely
that you kids today don't know how to do grumpy curmudgeonliness. Why, when I was a boy, old folks were really grumpy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #20
72. LOL! Now THAT"S funny! ^5, you old fart you!!
I'm 51 myself and when I was a kid, old folks were really grumpy too!

Of course, I was too self conscious to do any kind of grinding at a high school dance, grumpy old folks present or not.


Personally, I think they should make the kids all go to the dances naked, squirt them down with Wesson Oil and let em' go at it.

Now wouldn't THAT blow some skirts up!?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #72
116. I'd watch that!
(Dirty old fart.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #20
73. For the WIN! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
22. what about dry face humping? would that be more creative?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:03 PM
Response to Original message
23. Dry-humping with intricate formal structure would be fine, then?
My guess is no. Doubtless you have no problem with the lean side-to-side, raise-foot/lower-foot, and occasional knee-bends that comprise most non-contact dancing with "kids today." This takes zero skill, is supremely lacking in imagination, yet never launches a complaint thread.

It's the nature of the contact that troubles people, and no amount of skill or form in execution would satisfy those so troubled. If you've never experienced creative, imaginative or talented humping, dry or otherwise, then you have only my pity.

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. WRONG. If it was built around a group of step patterns I'd have no problem with it.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:06 PM by KittyWampus
You obviously missed what I wrote.

The issue are teens who are doing NOTHING BUT DRY HUMPING.

That isn't dancing.

It isn't appropriate in a social setting.

Bumping and grinding with other steps thrown in= dancing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. You'd have no problem if it were formalized movements?
hahahahahaha
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Have you ever watched modern dance? The issue is dry humping is not dancing.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:17 PM by KittyWampus
Dance can be extremely sensuous and suggestive... but it involves more than just a guy grinding his junk into a girl's ass or, in short, dry humping.

It's a school dance. A social event.

Humping of any variety is generally a more private engagement.

Maybe I should track down a video from SYTYCD. So you could experience what actual dancing that involves some sexuality is.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. I am a dancer, thank you very much.
"If it was built around a group of step patterns I'd have no problem with it."

So you don't like any extemporaneous style dancing (even that Moderne Dance) unless it uses Formalized Patterns.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. Tell you what, go find an example of "extemporaneous style dancing" that is nothing BUT
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:25 PM by KittyWampus
dry humping and then explain to me how it's dancing.

Dry humping with music on is still dry humping.

And since you are reduced to playing games with words, here's definition of dance:


"To move rhythmically usually to music, using prescribed or improvised steps and gestures"

That doesn't describe dry humping.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. you keep changing the goal posts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. I just provided a definition of dancing. It doesn't include dry-humping.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:26 PM by KittyWampus
although if you prefer to argue that, feel free. I won't argue with you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. That definition includes dry humping
There are steps and gestures, they are either prescribed or improvised, and they are done rhythmically to music.

So how does that help your argument?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. and you keep editing previous posts.
Using a unsourced "definition of dance" : "To move rhythmically usually to music, using prescribed or improvised steps and gestures"

"dry humping" is moving rhythmically usually to music, using...IMPROVISED steps and gestures". Yup, it passes. Moves rhythmically. Usually to music. Using improvised steps and gestures.

What's your take on Break Dancing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #45
57. This whole thread I thought you were talking about amateur dancers
but now I realize you're talking about pro's. Yes dry humping passed off as serious art is terrible. We shouldn't have to pay to see this crap. These people have training and access to choreographers. They should be able to come up with more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. Indeed. A lot of Modern Dance is like modern art to me. eyerollling and laughable
:toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 04:32 AM
Response to Reply #62
126. I was being sarcastic
she's blaming kids for not dancing in a way that fits her ideas of what dance ought to be.

Perhaps you are being sarcastic as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #126
146. Indeed, I understood you well and your comment, like your comment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #57
74. *roffle*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #45
107. fail by self selected definition
"To move rhythmically usually to music, using prescribed or improvised steps and gestures"
That doesn't describe dry humping.


yeah it does, did you even read your definition? what exactly about dry humping to music is not within that definition?

dancing frequently is improvised and frequently has sexual content. You find overt sexual content in dance offensive, fine, but it is still dance, just dance you don't like.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #107
114. "it is still dance, just dance you don't like." And there it is. Thank you
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #29
88. So when are you going to start your thread bitching about guys
who can't dance and don't move their feet but just bend their knees a couple times and move their arms slightly? I'm sure that must offend the dance purist in you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:03 PM
Response to Original message
25. It Ain't Root Canal Either...
:evilgrin:

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
27. Whatever youtube video(s) you saw isn't evidence that all kids are devoid of creativity.
You didn't say "some kids." You said "kids."

If that's what you think of kids in general, you need to back slowly away from the internets and get yourself to a real school or community center so that you can experience first hand the wealth of youthful creativity you're missing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. aw, I missed inserting "some". I'll go do that. I also mentioned kids for whom dancing
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:08 PM by KittyWampus
is an important outlet.

Did you miss that?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Be sure to include ETA,
so everyone else will be aware of the change and original evidence of bias. Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. Bias? I obviously mention teens who are creative. Maybe your the one with bias
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:19 PM by KittyWampus
for thinking all teens are really imaginative and creative.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #41
54. It's your OP and your failure to lay out your argument in a rational way.
If you want to convince rational people of your version of an alleged cultural phenomenon, broadbrush slurs of wide swaths of the population aren't the best way to do it.

By the way, I didn't say all teens are imaginative and creative. I said that if YOU think kids in general are devoid of creativity YOU need to get out more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TonyMontana Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
28. Kids these days!
Get off my lawn!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
30. my son goes to a huge HS. freshman year i tried to encourage him to go to the dances
and kept putting it off ect. this year i started again. he told me he knew not ONE person that went to the dances. it is all out of control, over the top. it is no longer for the school as a whole but the kids that want to behave however, with no control, limit, boundaries or civility.

i dont care

if my son does not want to go to a dance, that is fine. but the majority of students are not into public fucking, find it offensive or insulting to each other, so they do without

but hey duers... as long as at the school event the small group of kids have the freedom with no control to behave however anti social they want to behave

good thinking this thru
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
36. I remember when the dances I did were not considered dancing to the older generation...
the dances I did at their age were considered TOO provocative, had no 'pattern of movement', etc,. Each generation defines for themselves what they consider dancing regardless of the opinion of others and that is not a bad thing, imo.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
42. Everyone will delight in suggesting you're a prude, of course.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 02:21 PM by Marr
It let's them feel hep.

But really, I agree-- and I think it's a small symptom of a much larger element that's crept into our society; a total lack of standards. Children are given blue ribbons for coming in last, musicians "sample" other musicians, loop it, and call it original, etc. We actually have an entire class of "celebrities" that are famous simply for being famous. They don't actually *do* anything. And perhaps worst of all, all arguments are considered equally valid-- whether they're supported by real data or not-- so long as they're expressed passionately.

What these people are doing is little more than rutting set to music, but then, it is done passionately... and that's all that seems to matter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:26 PM
Response to Original message
48. Just sitting here wondering
what people who believe this is OK would think if the dry humping "dance" were taken a step or two further and involved some other form of simulated sex...like maybe the girl squatting down in front of the boy and pretending to give a BJ, or maybe the other way around.

Maybe the boy could pretend to masturbate in the girl's hair or something.

Is there a limit?

Or is anything they want to do just fine as long as they're fully clothed and there's music playing?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #48
60. I would have no problem at all with that
A whole galaxy of behaviors is simulated or acted out in traditional dance: kisses, caresses, etc. The worry, as I understand it, isn't over the simulation of these acts so much as which acts are proper to simulate. A similar debate exists for words set to music--are you of an "Anything Goes" philosophy on one and not the other? Why?

Not trying to trap you with those questions--I'm genuinely curious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. Actually I'm not exactly an advocate for...
anything goes as long as it's set to music.


I'm uncomfortable with some rap songs that use the "n" word in them even if the artist performing the song is black.



Along those same lines, I wonder, what if a gang rape were being simulated on the dance floor...would that be OK too?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. Even if anything goes, that doesn't mean I want to see everything go
I believe that what you describe could be a dance--it could even be choreographed in an elaborate and imaginative way, as formal as you like. I don't like the idea of it at all, however.

Lyrics about rape, abuse, domestic violence--I'm not a fan of any of these, but I still allow that they are lyrics. I'm never going to like the content of Lennon's "Run for Your Life," or Albert King's "Answer to the Laundromat Blues," but they're still music. The more explicit and profane versions around today throw more in the pot, but don't seem to me too radically different from what we've had for years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #71
78. Choreographed...
I'm not sure how I would feel about that (simulated gang rape). I guess it would depend on the context...as in a formal show or something.

But out on the dance floor...done by teens...No.

Which is how I feel about the dry humping.


Kids that age are already having issues with sex and sexuality. Raging hormones and all the rest of it. Why would anyone want to allow them to add fuel to those fires with dry humping on the dance floor?

Also, just wondering...below what age would this be considered totally off-limits?

16? 13? 10?

How would people feel if they saw 6 or 7 or 8 year old kids doing it?

What about adults doing it in front of young children?

Or parents in front of their own teenagers?

Actually, that last one might be a pretty good idea. Maybe the teens would be so disgusted by what their parents were doing they'd stop doing it themselves.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. how about parents encouraging their 6 yr old. watch video
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #79
90. seems like we Americans don't have any problems encouraging
3 year olds as long as it turns a profit. Found this little gem in the comment section of your link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECzC7YIt7F4
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. and what would du do with that today. oh ya, decry it. kinda like the reason you posted it
because it is offensive.

one can at the least, be consistent. so, you disgusted doing this with the kids, or do you cheer it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #92
96. don't cheer it, hell I hate child beauty pageants for the same reasons
just pointing out that it has been going on for a long time and is not something that todays youth came up with. That seems to be what the op is decrying.

Every generation of teens has music and dance that shocks their parents, we grew up and matured so will they. There is a difference between what todays young adults consider dance and adults encouraging young children to act in a sexually explicit manner, (like the vid in your link) that is just as inappropriate as the vid I posted. So yes I'm very consistent in regards to this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. and every generation of adults drew the line of allowable and not. that, too, is nothing new
it is called parenting.

when i see someone use a little to flip a birdie and cuss out the political opinion of an adult, i say wrong.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #48
65. that is one of the "move" her on her knees and his crotch in her face. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #48
108. yes call the dance police RIGHT FUCKING NOW
this is the stupidest thread in quite a while, but lordy is it fun.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:40 PM
Response to Original message
61. It seems like "us kids" are always causing the end of civilization and decency.
Your parents said the same thing about you! :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #61
75. Hey, that;'s unfair!
No fair holding up that mirror... you kids get offa my lawn!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:54 PM
Response to Original message
66. I say let em dry hump.
They're young and horny.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Oh sure, and next thing you know someone will want to marry their dog
you never know where it will end.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Ever try dry humping on a slippery slope? Wild, wild stuff. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #67
76. As long as they MARRY the dog.
That implies some level of commitment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. I remember fondly my days of dry humping at the prom. Fun times. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
77. Get off my lawn, you damn kids!! BTW, humping is exercise also!!
:D

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:13 PM
Response to Original message
80. I'm surprised the term "Freak Dancing" isn't being used. That's what it's typically called.
And apparently there are standards. This probably unintentionally earnest advice from eHow:


How to Freak Dance
By an eHow Contributor
I want to do this! What's This? ..
Dancing is as old as the beginning of the world. Many cultures first entertained each other through forms of dance. It was their theater. However, in the Middles Ages as cultures expanded and sexual contact between two partners became taboo, people would turn to dance as a way around those taboos. It was a way to be close to someone while maintaining your dignity. Fast-forward several hundreds years, and we have the "freak" dance--an unapologetic, nonstop, grind your hips, good time on the dance floor.

Difficulty: Moderately Easy
Instructions.
1
Make sure it's appropriate. Given it's sexual nature, freak dancing should be performed by two consenting adults in an atmosphere where it is acceptable. Don't go to grandma's Fourth of July party and start "hittin' it."

2
Feel the beat. Like any form of dance, feeling the beat and the rhythm is key. While most freak dancing is done to hip-hop music, it can also be performed to many other styles of music with many other tempos. Truthfully, it's up to the two partners.

3
Assume the position. There are two main freak dance positions. One entails the female rubbing her butt against the male groin area. (They are facing the same direction.) Then she can either slowly grind into his hips with her backside or shake her backside exceedingly fast depending on the beat of the music. The second position has the partners face each other. The female places her leg in between the male. They then "lock legs" and grind on each other, bringing their genitalia in close contact--again, moving fast or slow depending on the beat of the music.

4
Get a room. Freak dancing is an exceedingly provocative dance. As your dancing progresses (and you are two consenting adults), do not stay on the dance floor if things are progressing to the next step. While freak dancing is acceptable in clubs and other appropriate places, making out and fondling should be kept behind closed doors.
.
Philips.com/because Ads by Google
Tips & Warnings
Drink water! People who freak dance are often at an overheated club and potentially drinking alcohol. This combination means you need to replace the fluids you are losing. It's okay to take a minute off the dance floor, cool down and drink some water. There's nothing worse than a freak dancer who passes out!.Never be forced to do anything you do not want to. Because of freak dancing's sexual nature, if you do not feel comfortable with a partner, walk away. It's your body, so it's your choice. If someone does try to force you, alert the appropriate authorities right away..

Read more: How to Freak Dance | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_2044899_freak-dance.html#ixzz11...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:17 PM
Response to Original message
81. Well, I have one thing to say to this...
I am outraged. OUTRAGED I tell ya...

People try to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Just because we get around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

Outraged that someone who probably has more than a passing familiarity with these lyrics would get so bent out of shape with this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #81
84. Speaking as someone who has more than a passing familiarity with the lyrics...
Not everything my generation did was cool.

In fact, some of it was pretty damned uncool.

Some of it was done with the intention of offending others.


Much of the opposition to this type of "dancing" has nothing to do with being the morality police. It's got a lot to do with, as someone else pointed out, decorum.

Having respect for one's self and others. Knowing what's likely to be offensive to other people and refraining...as much as possible...from doing it. In public, anyway.

Not saying "You don't like it? Too bad. I'm going to do it anyway and to hell with you".


That only works when one is, oh, 2 years old and still the center of one's own little universe.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. OK, down this familiar road we shall go...
So you think that these people who did these things of which you disapproved should have just submitted to the authority figures in their lives? Do you think that the authority figures had any right to rein these people in? Do you think that we should spend our lives in the pursuit of defining and avoiding the offense of others?

There was a time in this country where women showing skin above the ankle was considered indecorous.

That attitude would be considered ludicrous now.

You indicate that you think public "dry-humping" or whatever should be ostensibly considered indecorous.

I wonder when (not if) that attitude will be considered ludicrous.

All generations since WWII have taken great delight in telling their forebears what a bunch of prudes they are. One might say that the right to offend in this manner is a part of the American heritage, one of its more time-honored traditions, an affirmation that each generation defines its own sense of values even though the prior generation attempts to instill its own. Your reaction, that of offense, is precisely why it is so. What is decorum other than a codification of a particular sense of morality, as to what is acceptable in "polite" society and what is exclusively the province of the infinitely vulgar?

In a free country, "You don't like it? Too bad. I'm going to do it anyway and to hell with you" is a precisely sensible attitude. One could argue that a variant of this sentiment (we call it the Declaration of Independence) is what caused this country to exist in the first place. What purpose is freedom if I need to clear it with someone else whether or not something is correct or proper?

In fact, your penchant for being offended by it, I'm sure, makes the whole thing that much more fun for those perpetrating it.

Nothing changes 'cause its all the same,
The world you get's the one you give away,
And it all just happens again, way down the line.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #91
99. Well, it's unfortunate, I guess...
that some people have limits on what they consider obnoxious behavior.


If anyone's taking offense causes someone else to want to do it (the offensive act) more, then my opinion stands: Only a 2-year old child who thinks he's the center of the universe gets a free pass to be willfully offensive.


Actually, I don't feel offense as much as I feel pity. Maybe someday those kids will grow up and realize how stupid they looked. Maybe they'll slap their heads in shame and wish they hadn't acted like fools, and maybe they'll even be pissed off at whatever adults were around who allowed them to degrade themselves that way.

It's like having a piece of spinach caught in your teeth and nobody says anything and you don't find out till after the date or the job interview or something. Why didn't anyone TELL me I looked like an idiot???

While I don't believe we should all run around being paranoid about what other people think, I do still believe that anybody who doesn't give a rat's ass about what anyone else thinks has something wrong with him/her.


And we're not talking about Society at Large here anyway. It's a school dance. The administrators don't want that "dancing" in the school. Kids want to do that stuff at home? Fine. They want to have a party at home or something and "dance" like that? Go for it.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #99
109. Or alternatively...
They could ignore all you've said here and just have a dance. Not like they were reading this anyway.

I don't know about the whole pity thing. While kids do grow up and they do find some of what they've done cringeworthy, I doubt they'll feel much in the way of shame. Probably because everyone they knew was just as foolish. I know I have done a lot of things in my youth I'd done a bit differently knowing what I know now, but I (and I am sure most others do as well) chalk it up to just being young. I do know I wouldn't trade those experiences. It's hard to grow up unless you fall on your face a few times. And as far as degradation goes, the last thing I wanted was their opinion or help, so I don't know what you mean by it. As a kid, you don't care about such noise, and as an adult you realize just what a pile of noise it is.

I wouldn't worry or feel pity. The kids are doing everything precisely as they are supposed to, acting impulsively, testing their limits, and faltering on their way to adulthood, just like everyone who ever came before. As the old chestnut goes, "the kids are all right."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:25 PM
Response to Original message
82. Is this what your talking about?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. Knew it was going to be the Tosh clip.
That show is great.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:30 PM
Response to Original message
83. jeez. I went to Catholic school in the 60s and
every friday there was a dance, I got to see Chubby Checker,Dion andthe Belmontes, the Shirelles (?), and many other groups on those friday evenings. The cost to get in was like 25 cents.

There was so much dirty dancing going on it was the norm, or the beginning of the end. Whatever.

Anyone ever dance with a girl while Harlem Nocturn was wailing in the background at 13 years old? I did and I liked it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:39 PM
Response to Original message
87. Agreed. Great post.
And if all the folks on this thread going "It's just kids, different generations, prudes!" saw their 12 year old doing it, they'd yank them away just as quickly as the rest of us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. It's funny to see all the classic cliches being tossed out on these threads.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 05:17 PM by HuckleB
Simply stating "every generation wants to shock the last generation" isn't much of an argument. There's always a way to shock, but does that mean every way of shocking others is just fine and dandy? Does that mean that all rules are bad?

I'm thinking the answer is no, but apparently others disagree.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:31 PM
Response to Original message
93. Good luck with this bunch. I gave you a Rec for moral courage in the face of the dreaded Prue-word.
(Prue-word = prudery accusation)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. Seems like the topic here is not appropriateness, but whether or not this is "dance".
Though it does address appropriateness at the end after stating Dance is "All that said, dancing involves choreography and/or patterns of movement."

Whether or not it is appropriate is a far different thing than stating this isn't "dance".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
94. "May I have this dry hump?" Somehow that
doesn't sound quite the same as "May I have this dance?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #94
103. Har!

:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #94
104. And we don't even want to tackle the problem...
of how it would upset the apple cart of song titles....


"Dry-humping Machine" by Michael Jackson

"Dry Hump the Night Away" by Van Halen

"I Hope You Dry Hump" by Leeanne Womack

"Mary Jane's Last Dry Hump" by Tom Petty

"The Chicken Dry Hump" by everybody who plays an instrument







taking some time out from seriousness for a bit of levity
;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
100. lolz
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
102. Shouldn't this be in the Lounge?
I'm much more concerned about the Teabagger Apocalypse on the horizon, than some age inappropriate behaviors of kids that I'll never meet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:49 PM
Response to Original message
105. yet another get off my lawn op
sheesh.

don't watch them if it gets you all hot and bothered.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
106. The more grownups complain about it, the more the kids will do it
...

Some of you have forgotten what you were like as teenagers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #106
110. no. they just stop the dances for all. lets remember what it was to be a teenager
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 08:04 PM by seabeyond
adults set boundaries. if we went beyond the boundaries we were disciplined.

what schools are doing, is stopping the dances, then all the kids do without.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. They don't do without... they just move to private parties in their houses
....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. fine. that is a big, who cares. this is a public place calling for public behavior at a school
function.

why are people obtuse on this. people act like cause there are rules to public behavior that is saying no kids is going to have sex. not what anyone is saying. and the humpin and the boinkin is fine in a private house.

not at a school dance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #113
127. actually the OP was speaking generically I believe
not about a school dance. Just about kids dancing "obscenely".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #127
132. "kids dry humping at school dancing.".. first sentence
Edited on Mon Oct-11-10 08:52 AM by seabeyond
check it out. but even if that wasn't the case, doesnt matter. other poster and i were talking about school dances.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #132
151. but if you read into the post she describes watching a youtube video
of random teens dancing. But really, this subject is not worth the time or thought any of us has put into it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:15 PM
Response to Original message
112. It doesn't matter. Didn't you hear? Sunchips changed their bag back- WE'RE DOOOOOMED!
Did you hear? DOOOMED! DOOOOOMED!


So you're just going to have to get in line, the hyperbole train is already overbooked.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
115. But..it's...fun
....muttermutter....sheesh!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
117. My friend with teenaged daughters tells me about this, too.
One of the reason the 14 year old avoids "dances" directly deals with her not wanting to be around what is termed, "grinding".

Shit, I did that when I was horny on a hot date, but now you can be vertical and call it dancing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 11:11 PM
Response to Original message
118. If I catch a guy dry humping any daughter of mine I'll wet-hack-his-dick-off
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 11:11 PM by HEyHEY
Lucky for them I don't have a daughter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #118
128. lucky too I won't be on your jury
as you don't have a daughter.

But why not mutilate the girl molesting your son? Oh yeah, I forgot, upthread I learned that the girls are being forced by some invisible tractor beam to do this shit.

Either that or it is teens safely dealing with their teenage hormonal lust.

This whole thread is a big pile of WTF. Were none of you teenagers?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:21 AM
Response to Original message
119. "one topic that pops up regularly is parents objecting to kids dry humping at school dancing." ?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #119
122. Someone with a lot of time on their hands should graph out the cyclical nature of some topics.
I swear, it's like ...astrology, or something, the way the exact same shit-flinging fights breeze in and out of this place.

There's a pattern there---- I know it...


THIS MEANS SOMETHING!



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 01:30 AM
Response to Original message
121. John Lithgow. FOOTLOOSE.
What next? REEFER MADNESS?

Teens have sex when they're not dry humping.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 03:27 AM
Response to Original message
123. This looks promising.
:popcorn:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 03:49 AM
Response to Original message
124. Dancing is often just 'symbolic' dry humping of one kind or another
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #124
153. But some of that symbolic dry humping...
is beautiful and graceful.

Like the Tango



It's like the difference between courtship dances of certain bird species and a dog dry humping its owner's leg. Or a pillow. Or another dog.


No way on earth that what those kids are doing can be equated with the beauty and grace and sensuality of the Tango.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #153
173. IT is also cultural... unfortunately sometimes cultural
passes us by when it comes to contemporary culture.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Perfect Ten Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 07:28 AM
Response to Original message
129. I like the Christian Side Hug...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #129
130. They should wear burkas! Men and women.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 09:15 AM
Response to Original message
133. First Dry Humping 'Dancing' and then Penetration 'Dancing'...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #133
135. there was an article on a highschool in penn? that talked about all the body fluid
in their dance floor

eeeew

slippin and slidin dancin
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #135
139. LOL, I guess they could freeze it and do Ice Dancing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #139
142. bigger, eeeew. lol nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:40 AM
Response to Original message
134. There's a lot of foul language in this song
so let me warn you before you click on this. But I saw this mashup on an unrelated note and the end of the song has reference to freak dancing ("turn around, bitch, put your ass on the nigger"). Personally, I find the irony of this mashup funny, but I think it gives some perspective for some that don't know the general attitude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA

But, my stance on school's banning this is pretty comples.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
137. And discomfort with sexuality does not equate to "protecting the children" either.
Too bad you can't seem to tell the difference.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #137
143. nor does drawing the line, inserting boundaries equate discomfort with sex. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
138. Nice to see my favorite distraction form this weekend...
...is still going strong!

Kick!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 11:54 AM
Response to Original message
140. Dry humping????
I haven't heard that in so long it brings back memories of hide-and go-seek. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dash87 Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:29 PM
Response to Original message
144. Dry humping is to dancing as Ke$ha is to music
I couldn't think of a better comparison. :)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
145. I will agree with you on this one. Young women should have more self respect
than letting some random guy hump them on the dance floor!

The women's movement has gone down the toilet.

Young women of today don't have a clue that they are being exploited and objectified.

They think they are being powerful or some such bullshit when the truth is the exact opposite.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #145
148. True. Those young women should let their chosen guy hump them rather than random guy
I'm series!!!11
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #145
150. +1. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 01:02 PM
Response to Original message
149. When will this country finally take the War on Humping seriously?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:31 AM
Response to Original message
152. You move your feet
and move your arms. The humping is part of it but there are foot moves. You have to be very coordinated to do it, I could never pull it off. Which is why I never went to the clubs w/ my ex-wife.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
157. Totally agree.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
159. It's mostly about grace and charm,
neither of which is part of the kind of "dancing" discussed here.

When the music has no chord structure, how can the dancing have anything going for it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #159
162. This music has no chord structure, so you say the dancing has nothing going for it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #162
172. Actually that is quite charming (and graceful) - I was wrong to tie it to
harmonic structure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:53 AM
Response to Original message
160. They should have mosh pits instead.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #160
164. LOL
I hope you're not referring to the ones that have people swinging their arms aimlessly? I never understood that or why people would want to be involved in an area where a bunch of people are swinging their arms, hitting whatever and whoever is in their way. If you are referring to something else I apologize. Thanks for the laugh though. :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
169. I think you're confusing "Dancing" and "Things You Don't Like"
This is dancing. It may be dancing you don't like, but it's dancing.

As far as dacning goes, per your OP, I am pretty much void of imagination and talent. I can do the "White Boy" and that's about it (stand in place, move shoulders/arms up and down, bend knees). However, that doesn't mean what I'm doing isn't dancing. Its amature and fairly awful, but it's dancing. Same thing these kids are doing...it's amature and awful, but it's dancing. Trying to re-define a word to fit what you find as suitable dance is fail.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
170. That is a kind of dance. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't dancing.
You say in your OP that dances involve some skill, have actual steps, and imagination and talent are involved - I can attest that when I was in high school, 90% of the boy had NO dancing skill or talent of any kind and could hardly keep the beat, so even in high schools there isn't the kind of stuff you like watching on dancing with the stars.

This is an actual dance called "grinding" and is just a small part of what will happen during a song. It is no more impersonal for the girl than it is for the guy but is all jsut about body movement along to the music - which is the definition of dance. They aren't humping, which would just be a ramdom humping action - they are moving along to music. It's dancing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 02:19 PM
Response to Original message
171. I watched some of the videos posted on this thread...
This style of "dance" is on the job training for work in a strip club. Those girls are working for free though. Lots of guys pay 5 to 10 bucks to get a dry hump like that. This is the death of free enterprise capitalism!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun 16th 2019, 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC