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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 05:54 PM
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Slavery by any other name
Edited on Sun May-20-07 06:32 PM by undergroundpanther
Is STILL slavery..
Under the rule of a repressive whole, liberty can be made into a powerful instrument of domination.

—how can they "liberate themselves from themselves as well as from their masters? How is it even thinkable that the vicious circle be broken?"
http://www.new-thinking.org/journal/totalitariandemocracy.html

America Land of the free MY ASS.

The US Constitution states.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.



That **slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,** means in other words..A PROVISION for Prison SLAVERY and for VOLUNTEER Slavery has been left IN the constitution...

As for Prison slavery, it still exists today ,
http://november.org/graphs/
It is shocking how much of the stuff we buy and use
is made for corporations to sell to free citizens at a profit by American imprisoned slave/citizens.
http://www.unicor.gov/
Chain gangs exist,hiring out contract labor it is still very profitable,and legal..
http://www.jailmuseum.com/Aboutahaingangs.htm
And Chain Gangs are not just for guys... http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/10/29/chain.gang.reut/

Considering the HUGE AMOUNTS of people incarcerated in the US prison system (millions)that is a LOT of disposable people working for corporations for dirt. The drug war has a evil purpose beyond the rhetoric,it is the excuse Du Jour the prison system invented to round up non violent,less rebellious people and make them slaves..
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/437/overathousand.shtml
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0201hidta.htm
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/incarceration/


And what of that other closed looking loophole in the constitution allowed for slavery,
**INVOLUNTARY Servitude? **

You might ask yourself,who in their right mind accepts voluntary slavery?

If you really think about that question,you'd be surprised when you closely observe how the lie is laid out on you like a trap. Generationally built inside you by your own parents,
These myths,are fed to a citizen from childhood on up.Myths of nobility and rationales for accepting voluntary slavery. If you look at the many corporate webs of control and connect that socializing force of the no choice is choice fed to the public,Insisting we grow to depend on corporations for everything we need.

Truth is,the system,is using us,infantilizing us,making us crazy,abusing us,making us helpless and teaching us to accept this, taming us..making us dependant and servile to the corporate master "maker" as "consumers" of products.
The confusion of needs VS wants as our social networks decay due to the long hours at work to buy the wants we think we need.Lifestyle management from cradle to grave.

Masses of people grow up accepting and REINFORCING the idea of voluntary servitude as a requirement of life,THey think a job shows a person's value.(My son is so smart he should be a lawyer when he grows up, Or questions like "what do YOU do?", The puritan work ethic & Horatio Algier myths..all normalize the myth of voluntary servitude.)

What of those not volunteering to "produce" or sell themselves to the corporate class? They are seen as lazy,less than human,outcasts. Society dehumanizes them.
Since most people are busy working most their waking hours social relationships decay,dehumanization,atomization and the breakdown of relationships and diversity and suburban sprawl and the destruction of culture is the end result of this massive corporate social coercion we all are immersed in one way or another.

What the constitution does not mention or protect citizens against ..Is manipulation,deception and trickery.The relative easiness there is in manipulating a person or a population's consent and volition is startling and scary.

There are tricks and techniques and they get more sophisticated everyday. By using techniques that operate with a covert style,watch your language and deliberately create illusory choices that offer no choice and create double binds you can bend the will of another person, force it to bend to your wants.

Through illusions of choice consent or decision can be manufactured so that the subject isn't even aware what they "chose" was never a real choice from the beginning .But to the subject IF they BELIEVE they chose something coercion can appear freely chosen ,even to the subject,it looks "voluntary" and the subject agrees because he BELIEVED he had a choice he will testify it was a voluntary choice too..But the manipulator knows the real deal,He created a false choice by excluding choices the manipulator didn't want,so for the limited chooser there is no choice,so the manipulator's will is obeyed by default.
Deception is designed to destroy free choice.
Corporations THRIVE on Deception as do Politics ,crime and ABUSE.

See how..

A master manipulator or stage magician even, is dependent on a number of principles. These are false assumption, misdirection, concealment, and the magician’s choice or forcing, (which we shall refer to as the illusion of choice). You can master this trick even at eight or ten years old. And the illusion is powerful, because the person feels that they made all the choices, that they were in control. The flash mind reading game works on this same principle. People are astounded because they make a choice, and the game can't possibly know that choice. Ahh, yes. That's the illusion. As described elsewhere, the game is rigged. There is no choice. The point is to make it seem like you are in control, when the truth is that you are not.

I've been thinking, lately, that there are a few other things -- not card tricks I learned as a kid, or "mystifying" flash games -- that also make use of this illusion. Input is welcomed, and choices are made, all for the sake of making a predetermined outcome appear uncertain.
http://www.robertkbrown.com/2003/02/24/the_illusion_of_choice.html
http://changingminds.org/

Postmodern capitalism does indeed expand the range of choices we can make; but it does this by channeling choice exclusively, and restrictively, into the realm of commodity consumption.(a.k.a "retail Therapy"}
http://www.ineedretailtherapy.com/

And when one believes one CHOSE to be dependant upon a system designed deliberately to exploit human beings,limit consciousness, removing your choices all without YOU even realizing it and manipulating you to consume and ties consuming to well being emotionally and socially..are the people being hoodwinked by companies they really do not trust but are forced by the illusion of choice to depend upon,are they really free?
http://econshp2.econ.kuleuven.ac.be/consumerscience/default.aspx
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Korten/BuyOutDemo_WCRW.html
Retail therapy and marriage are they two interlocked shackles?
http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2005/03/21.html

A person dependent on somebody else for everything from potatoes to opinions may declare that he is a free man, and his government may issue a certificate granting him his freedom, but he will not be free. He is that variety of specialist known as a consumer, which means that he is the abject dependent of producers.
http://www.fireandknowledge.org/archives/2006/06/26/let-the-consumer-beware-part-1/
http://newworkerfeatures.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html


Never trust a silent customer..
http://www.psychotactics.com/artsilentcustomer.htm
Businessman..making something outta nothing, there's magic in your hands..watch as this corporate hack creates the ILLUSION OF CHOICE..Neat trick Huh?
http://kcpersuasionarticles.com/showpage.php?content=articles&page=binds&session=
http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=469
http://pertinent.com/pertinfo/business/kenrickP4.html
http://www.uspharmacist.com/oldformat.asp?url=newlook/files/phar/may00rel.htm
http://209.157.128.194/transcript/1998/9827.html

Credit card debt is a euphemism for volunteer debt slavery.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/132/132_guest_bankruptcy_bill_pf.html
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/18516/
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.


The true meaning of equality is the form of society in which every man has a chance and knows that he has it—and we may add, a chance to which no possible limits can be put, a chance which is truly infinite, the chance to become a person. Equality, in short, is the ideal of humanity; an ideal in the consciousness of which democracy lives and moves.<33>
http://lilt.ilstu.edu/critique/Fall2001Docs/iwinham.htm


A license is defined as "permission given by a competent authority to do something that would otherwise be unlawful." The question is, do you, as most people believe, need permission (license and permit) to contract, work, get married, use the public roads (liberty of movement), own property, open a business, choose their own destiny, worship, defend themselves, etc.? The answer is ... you don't. That is unless you voluntarily, by your own free will and volition, apply for, are granted, and accept the fictitious privilege or benefit being offered. Thereby placing yourself into a state of "voluntary servitude."
http://deoxy.org/endwork.htm


By way of endorsing this fact, the constitution of the United States of America clearly states that the condition of "involuntary" servitude shall forever be prohibited. The key word here is "involuntary."

(so is a manufactured choice offered by a manipulator that is really NOT a choice EVER truly Voluntary? or is it COERCION?)
Can coercion ever allow the person being manipulated for nefarious ends,to make a free,thought out,multifaceted not just the manipulators options, INFORMED choice? I would argue NO.

Working for a corporation is coerced.backed up with social stigma,false choices,state force,social abandonment(death on the streets) and it is hammered into us by our parents this desire to achieve and be somebody..I argue this type of slavery based on the illusion of choice is involuntary servitude.When you cannot confront the company exploiting you to negotiate a better deal,in how you are treated and paid in your "voluntary servitude" and the "boss" can throw you away at HIS whim,and you follow his whim because you fear debt and poverty..it is a case of involuntary and coerced servitude.A prison work camp without physical walls.
The Belief based walls of our nation sized plantation are installed in us from day one.Corporations say get the corporate branding done early on children before age 7,teach them to consume and be dependant and willing to serve and obey authority than you will have a brand loyal adult
http://pzrservices.typepad.com/advertisingisgoodforyou/
eager to work all his lifetime for you at a profit,So the Owner of the company won't have to work FOR another and be a "voluntary slave".

Owned by KFC


http://www.iff-ifoundfreedom.com/freedom/idcards.html
http://www.fireandknowledge.org/archives/2006/06/26/let-the-consumer-beware-part-1/
http://www.constitutionalguardian.com/federalist_papers/fed103.htm
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:13 PM
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1. Say it loud undergroundpanther! K&R!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:15 PM
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2. I'm going to book-mark you for later...
link perusal. I wish that a real dialogue could be had regarding the real time cause and effect that is happening right in front of our eyes...rather than what is being said by people being paid to say something.The picture is so distorted, that there is no starting point which I can accept as the 'beginning', nor are there any parameters to limit the scope. It is so pervasive that when I consider the word 'belief' or 'truth' that is bantered around there is very little I can ascribe to either word. How can a problem be fixed when no one knows, or will even venture a look...at what the problem is?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:39 PM
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8. Yeah It's a symptom
Edited on Sun May-20-07 07:51 PM by undergroundpanther
A symptom created by having only the choices offered by the Elites to choose from for too long.The elites voice and choice are presented as the only thing that"makes sense" is good or will"work" for too long.. The complaint you had about "The picture is so distorted, that there is no starting point which I can accept as the 'beginning', nor are there any parameters to limit the scope."

Needing a parameter,a scope limit to the options you consider in your own head concerning this issue is a symptom of being used to thinking inside an idealogical box presented with a few "options". It is this kind of thought cage and self censorship that creates that alienating gap.In culture the elites always find a way to influence and manipulate to pre choose for you what are the ONLY choices allowed as "worthy to consider valid" This manipulation preselection process happens quite unawares for most people but it can be observed in group dynamics..

If you make a choice to think outside the "limit" that your particular"peers" believe they are permitted to permit themselves to think within,or ascribe to as"true", then when you think outside the parameters your peers will remind you of your error to comply with the parameters of the pre fabricated choice range this group thinks they are permitted to think within.Thinking slightly beyond the parameters gives you the illusion of looking like you are a maverick but not too maverick to be called a kook..Slightly pushing parameters affords you social "credibility" a reason to be" heard" or taken seriously sometimes. This is a kind of "authority" game that exists in people who need limits ,because you followed the rules of what can be discussed selected by authority figures in your given culture and your thoughts do not threaten the illusion of order or break "parameters" really. In other words you obeyed the pre fabbed rules but you bent them without threatening people with things they cannot emotionally face because to them being controlled even in what they THINK,is the normal state of life..


"It is so pervasive that when I consider the word 'belief' or 'truth' that is bantered around there is very little I can ascribe to either word."

Well I agree the manipulations have gotten so extreme the definitions of words have no cohesive social meanings to even connect them to a context anymore..,when words lose meaning you lose a way to connect to the world others and understand or share abstract ideas..that mean something to YOU. In effect this SILENCES a person it undermines their faculties of discernment.


How can a problem be fixed when no one knows, or will even venture a look...at what the problem is?

I think it's more of a case that the problem here is so entrenched,common,vicious,evil,terrifying and close to home while also being far away at the same time,it's disconnecting,it's pervasive and dangerous,it's a big gorilla in the room to the point it has shut out all the other options,So nobody wants to REALLY look at this issue holistically as a systemic human problem,So they tackle it in little disconnected pieces and get upset when someone else thinks outside the parameters the elites permit us to consider "valid"..and the compartmentalized thinkers cry conspiracy theory to shut the questioner that's upsetting them with too much of the picture than they can cope with emotionally down. Looking at this issue and how pervasive it is for some, causes too much cognitive dissonance and the anxiety and depression that comes facing this huge powerful multifaceted,controlling invasive, manipulating,soul crushing cradle to grave system of abuse deeply wedged into the very fabric of society is overwhelming. Looking at this kind of problem fully actually in some cases reinforces the desire for denial of it's "reality".. so it remains socially invisible and tabooed.
When language loses meaning we lose the power of social cohesiveness..But also we become like rabbits..in a human household..

"Being a rabbit in a human household means that you have almost no ability to escape if the humans try to confine you. Being a human unable to talk back, or less able to talk back, or less able to filter information, means you have less ability to change certain ways you are being treated."
http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=61

The corruption of language is a prescription for complicity in political crimes.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17698.htm
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:59 PM
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15. I walk an emotional tight-rope..
with this stuff. My personal history is full of a search for identity....always seeking sense. I may find clarity, a momentary slice of contentment when things line up..but I can't hold on to it. Sometimes it seems like I'm watching a really bad movie...I want to get up and walk out, but there's nowhere to go. It is of me. It's nice to be able to read such a well written, thought-touching post. Someone once told me that the tiniest fraction of a degree in a change of perception could be described as a miracle, it's effects so altering the viewer. I feel the need to thank you.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:17 PM
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17. Still cool
You are still cool to me.Anyways I think many people walk a similar tightrope as we do. They just might not want to be aware of it.Or they are so exhausted with trying to balance all this shit they can't talk about it without wanting to die.

I dunno if people will change or even if they can.I don't know the extent of the damage done. And I have no clue what to do.

All I know is it hurts. It hurts all the time.And I find myself wishing it would just stop.Sometimes I wonder if the only way out is suicide.Sometimes I dream of lobotomizing myself. So I don't feel it anymore so my curiosity would die and my mind would stop seeking answers to get out of this mess. Sometimes it burns in my heart and I feel this rage,and I cry and yell and get depressed and nick my skin with Sharp blades to scream out what cannot be translated into sounds.. and regulate the intensity of what I feel about what I perceive in a self destructive but self preserving way.

Other times I am more intent and clear on just ripping the whole lid off this package of shit nobody wants to face and waving the stink all around everyones nose hoping someone will have the guts to smell it, think something is rotten, get pissed off as I am.Pissed enough to stop believing what they are told to,to desire to knock the crown off the fucking rulers and cram it up their ass,and walk out of this goddamn gilded cave of lies and product with me. Hold their heads high and not be afraid to hate what and whom shackled them and tries to control all of us with their whole heart..And not be afraid to tell anyone why they burn no matter what the people who are afraid ,and who prefer to stay in the cave where no one is offended or shook out of their grey dreams,think about it..
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:24 PM
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3. Whats wrong with requiring work as a part of punishment in the penal system?

You posted a lot of links and i haven't read them, but is there a philosophical reason for being against work as a part of punishment? It doesn't sound like slavery to me since choice was involved.

I will read some of those links when I get a chance.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:43 PM
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4. If you are in prison
Edited on Sun May-20-07 06:54 PM by undergroundpanther
And you are in there for having a bag of WEED,Alot of non violent offenders are in for drugs,and say the parole board keeps making excuses and not letting you go,and your sentence keeps getting longer by certain people pulling technicalities..Being in jail affects a person,it creates learned helplessness and puts a person at risk for traumas,among other things .
Does the fact you got caught by the state watchers and controllers (cops) with a bag of weed that was a little too big according to an arbitrary line drawn up by lawmakers looking for a scapegoat who may get kickbacks for how many arrests are made(quotas)..

EVER justify a corporation to just help them self to all the free slave labor or sweatshop level labor costs they can grab from confined people,who cannot refuse,just so the corporation can make a tremendous profit off a NON Negotiated deal forced upon you because you are a prison slave now stripped of your humanity and the right to refuse until the parole board who also might be getting some"gifts" from a company nod nod,wink.wink..using prison labor,decides you can go?

What's wrong with giving the prisoners a decent wage? What's wrong with giving them a choice as to what they might want to do,what they may want to learn so they can be a better Voluntary slave,and why doesn't the company negotiate with the prisoners like human beings and be fair to them? Why are there so many abuses to these prison slaves by wardens and rule enforcers,maybe because nobody likes being enslaved used and abused and thrown away like trash when the corporation got what it wanted out of them..With no help, drug treatment is not free,getting a job as a felon is difficult, addiction is difficult to recover from, there is not much help for transition from jail to life outside jail or emotional supports waiting for them when they go back to the streets. This is because Corporations LOVE non violent re offenders.

I'll tell you why corporations want prison slave labor system and seek to fill prisons .. Because for a corporation,prison slavery at the tune of millions of people working for YOU day in day out,Without having to outsource and pay tariffs is the ultimate in profit GRAVY!
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:46 PM
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10. I think I understand your points.

Sure, there are people in for crimes that shouldn't be there because the laws are BS -- like pot possession. But thats up to all of us to change and not really related to whether or not work should be a requirement of incarceration.

You say they don't have any choice when they are in prison but thats the point of prison -- you lose many of your choices. Being required to work is thrust upon most people without wealth, why shouldn't it be thrust upon prisoners.

You seem to have a problem with private corporations making money of the prisoners, but I don't. I'd rather the private sector be making the business decisions rather than the state. Its much easier to end a contract with a private entity than change or get rid of a government entity.

If prisoners are paid minimum wage, then they need to compensate the victims of their crimes and pay for their incarceration. They have a debt to society.

I'm all for the humane treatment of prisoners, but that doesn't mean that prisoners should be able to not be productive. If they refuse to work, then solitary is a viable option.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:15 PM
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13. Corporations are not beneficial
Edited on Sun May-20-07 09:16 PM by undergroundpanther
to anything but their own profits.

Understand this.

" You seem to have a problem with private corporations making money of the prisoners, but I don't. I'd rather the private sector be making the business decisions rather than the state. Its much easier to end a contract with a private entity than change or get rid of a government entity."

You said prisoners owe a DEBT to SOCIETY, Well let them pay back society than..Not a corporation,which exists to make wealthier one person and a few shareholders.That ain't a society.That's a few greedy pigs sticking their hands in the public cookie jar looking for a steal..

Because a Corporation is not a state or a society and it offers nothing to society without a cost to society that makes a profit for itself,it is owed NOTHING from the state or society..It is a private illusion designed to funnel wealth to it's owners alone. A corporation hardly benefits society. A corporation has no requirement to respect human rights, having moral ethics cripples corporate competitiveness ,corporations do not give back to society what it takes. Corporations give nothing back unless it's an economic deal in the corporations favor,to kickback more profits to itself.This attitude of entitlement of taking more than it gives or deserves is reflected in elitists oligarchies and psychopaths.

A corporation is in fact a fictional parasite on society posing as a servant and it exists because of a belief...Corporations in reality don't care about the well being of what it exploits, after it has used it up because to a corporation human beings and this entire planet are disposable resources.

So a corporation should not be permitted to entitle itself to public prison slave labor pool.A private entity using the public resources and state for securing it's own profit for itself for free is THEFT.

As for recommending of SOLITARY CONFINEMENT for those who won't feed the corporate greed ...

You do NOT know WTF fuck you are talking about,here
I can speak from personal experience that Solitary confinement is NOT humane. I never was in jail but I was in a mental hospital. And these days because the shrink the government and drown it in a bathtub crowd like YOU got in control, alot of mentally ill people go to jail now they don't get help they go to fucking jail.

IN the mental hospital a PRIVATE one,I was locked in solitary "the quiet room" for 18 months.
It traumatized the crap out of me. It is like a slow psychological murdering ,you can go crazy in isolation,literally. Below is an except from a person who describes the effects of solitary upon a person.. very well.


The lights in your cell are on twenty-four hours a day. The walls are stark white,and it becomes a steady, mind-numbing white that doesn't even shut off in your sleep. The noise is constant, the senses in chaos and your emotional state is out of whack. You begin resenting, then hating your captors, because you know that there is no possible way that these conditions are not intentional. Rage turns your stomach sour, and clouds your reason.
Some never show signs at all, but they are still affected. Emotions become out of synch. You laugh when there is no reason, or want to cry for no reason at inappropriate times. You begin dying inside. You repress or fight the attack on your senses, and your thoughts become warped. Your nerves are out of whack, but you control them. You begin thinking violent thoughts that you'd never have thought before --- and the thoughts become more prevalent with time.
Some go through this with no outward signs, then when released they find themselves breaking out in a sweat when they are around other people. Being nervous, having anxiety attacks, no longer functioning normally. Those who become paranoid inside solitary carry it out, and feel people are plotting against them. Sudden movements can make them react in defense. When they feel threatened they may attack. Pressure situations can cause some to "snap," to react in a defensive or offensive manner. All the noise, smells, tiny cages, ugly thoughts and madness, that they repressed and thought they'd controlled, all come bursting out.


http://www.webspawner.com/users/usprisontorture/

WE'VE REPLACED THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET WITH A DRAGNET....


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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:44 PM
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9. The problem is the motive it gives the PIC to get more prisoners
It is odd that it is a rare American that looks at things from both sides. They tend to see only the need to punish people.

But quit worrying about making sure other people get their just punishment long enough to look at the other possible effects.

The clear one here is, what do they do if they need more people? Get more people arrested and convicted, that's what. And some of those people will be railroaded through.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:49 PM
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14. Criminalizing
of many things that were not against the law a few years ago has happened.Bush on his word alone can have You me anyone put in jail. It's no coincidence.
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/june97ziman.htm

Halli burton a few years back got a no bid contract to build detention centers,now they round up"illegal immigrants"Where do they go to the detention centers Halli burton built.
Don't tell me Hali burton wasn't licking it's chops for more immigration reform?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html?ex=1296709200&en=01728da2eba059e4&ei=5088&partner=rssn
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14333

Mentally ill people get stuck in jail they don't get help.But in jail they like the immigrants, can be forced into slavery for a corporations profits.
ttp://www.geocities.com/stargazers_here/mental_illness.html

Corporations motivate this attitude of criminalize everything you can,They like it because it means more free labor for corporate piggies...to grow bigger.for a STEAL.
http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/13/1316.html

Crowded court dockets, bureaucracy, budgetary pressures, and careerism contributed to elevating ambition over justice. The emergence of moral causes, or ends that justify the means, such as "saving our children from drugs" and "making environmental polluters pay," contributed greatly to the breakdown of prosecutorial restraint. Today a prosecutor who gives the defendant the benefit of the doubt is regarded as a failure.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts4.html
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~kastor/private/prison-labor.html
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 09:11 AM
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22. Most drug crimes should not involve jail time at all
It just puts relatively unsophisticated people in a situation where they have nothing to do but learn to get tougher and to learn from the real criminals.

But notice the answer to every problem seems to be to criminalize it and arrest people for it, overcharge, then make a "deal."

What amazes me that nobody sees, either, is that if 12 million undocumented illegals could be rounded up and deported, the xenophobes comfort could only last so long. Even if we managed to deport them all, they come back the next day. The INS in LA used to joke about how they got five for evern one sent back.

But it sure would give the government practice in rounding up huge numbers of people and putting them in camps - which is perhaps the real purpose. Many a reform attached the concepts that aliens should have no civil rights, which satisifes the xenophobes, also lets them overlook the government and its bureaucrats just getting experience with this kind of thing, and liking the power, and wanting to hang onto it, and coming up with seemingly good "reasons" to apply this kind of thing to subsets of Americans.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:45 PM
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5. K & R for further reading...
A late friend of mine once quipped "if you want to control a man, give him a mortgage"

Some people get that, others argue the tax advantages.

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:05 PM
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7. I'd say
If you want to control a person,Create a culture that will make them feel trapped,alone,worthless,inferior,stressed and unhappy. Hmm suburban sprawl or the mean streets of a poor neighborhood in the city. Make them ashamed or afraid of being left out of the buzz of the big picture,make them feel powerless to attain it by their own knowledge or resources while you ,lay before them the path to happiness or at least anesthesia to their pain and hang a price tag on it..

Than offer them a "job".

Or you could be less subtle, abuse and terrorize them,make them so insecure they'll do anything to escape their life..

Than offer them an opportunity to escape work in america,where the myth goes if you are a hard working ,honest,and loyal servant,who pleases his corporate masters, you might get a bigger bone than you ever thought you could get from the corporate master's table,So sign up and be whisked away from your current hellhole, to the glitter and glamor of making your life a better life..


Note to recruiter ..Uh,leave out the part the uh,umm sex slavery and being chained to a mattress to be fucked by fifty guys a night in a shack in Florida,for no pay please..
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:48 PM
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12. Soup is Good Food.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7m0fhrBZ8EM

We're sorry
But you're no longer needed
Or wanted
Or even cared about here
Machines can do a better job than you
This is what you get for asking questions

The unions agree
'Sacrifices must be made'
Computers never go on strike
To save the working man you've got to put him out to pasture

Looks like we'll have to let you go
Doesn't it feel fulfilling to know
That you-the human being-are now obsolete
And there's nothing in hell we'll let you do about it


Soup is good food-(We don't need you any more)
You made a good meal-(We don't need you any more)
Now how do you feel-(We don't need you any more)
To be shit out our ass
And thrown in the cold like a piece of trash
We're sorry
You'll just have to leave
Unemployment runs out after just six weeks
How does it feel to be a budget cut?
You're snipped
You no longer exist

Your number's been purged from our central computer
So we can rig the facts
And sweep you under the rug
See our chart? Unemployment's going down
If that ruins your life that's your problem

Soup is Good Food, Etc.
We're sorry
We hate to interrupt
But it's against the law to jump off this bridge
You'll just have to kill yourself somewhere else
A tourist might see you
And we wouldn't want that

I'm just doing my job, you know
So say uncle
And we'll take you to the mental health zoo
Force feed you mind-melting chemicals
Til even the outside world looks great

In hi-tech science research labs
It costs too much to bury all the dead
The mutilated disease-injected
Surplus rats who can't be used anymore

So they're dumped (with no minister present)
In a spiraling corkscrew dispose-all unit
Ground into sludge and flushed away
Aw geez:.

Soup is good food
You made a good meal, etc:.
We know how much you'd like to die
We joke about it on our coffee breaks
But we're paid to force you to have a nice day
In the wonderful world we made just for you
"Poor Rats", we human rodents chuckle
At least we get a dignified cremation
At yet
At 6:00 tomorrow morning
It's time to get up and go to work
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:03 PM
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16. A reply in Snog..

The future..
I can see the future
and the future holds nothing for me...
I can see the future
and it makes me wish that I was blind...

all the hype that intoxicates us tonight,
all the crap out of which we manufacture our lives...
the rapist that's inside every businessman...
you're screaming for your life
but your mouth is gone...


A Ballad
When the working day is done
I refuse to belong to anyone.
And at night when I try to sleep
I hear the hounds of commerce in my dreams...

Somehow, someone, somewhere
owns everything I do.
Somehow, someone, somewhere
owns all of me and owns all of you.

There's no charge,
there's no crime,
but we're all doing time.
To be honest there's not much I can do
but to sing a bad ballad for you.
I could suggest sabotage,
but success might prove a mirage.

'cause Somehow, someone, somewhere
owns everything I do.
Somehow, someone, somewhere
owns all of me and owns all of you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Prole Song
We're happy little proles
and we're on our way to work.
We're happy little proles
and we're on our way to work.

The sun shines bright
from the ass of the boss man.
We're moving right ahead,
yes, we're moving right along.

We're happy little proles
and we're on our way to work.
Sing happy happy, love love,
sleep sleep sleep.
Sing happy happy, love love,
sleep sleep sleep.

Microwave oven,
economic rationalism,
compassionless capitalism,
fraudulent wargasm.

We're happy little proles
and we're on our way to work.
We're happy little proles
and we're on out way to work.

We live a lie
and we keep ourselves clean.
We don't know what it is
and we don't know what it means.

We're happy little proles
and we're on our way to work.
We're happy little proles
and we're on our way to work.

Sing happy happy, love love,
sleep sleep sleep.
Sing happy happy, love love,
sleep sleep sleep.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:47 PM
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6. K &R/nt
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:41 PM
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11. K&R
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:07 PM
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18. the incentive to incarcerate
Yes, "labor costs are cheaper than India"...I once heard a man who owned a business that outsourced to women's federal prisons
To tell the truth, I didn't read all of your article, but it's something we all should really take a look into.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:17 PM
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19. Land of the Free?
holds the record for best advertising slogan

before

We Report, You Decide

came along
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:40 PM
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20. I have always said, "They can't fire me."
Slaves can only be sold or traded.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 05:56 AM
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21. The American Gulag
We are all inmates, it's just that most people don't realize it yet.

bookmarked.
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