Duke student's Powerpoint "F**k list" goes viral.

[CoffeeCat]

Duke is in an uproar about a highly detailed "fuck list" that a recent female graduate made — in PowerPoint, complete with penis-size evaluations and dirty talk transcripts. We've got that document, and spoke exclusively to the now-contrite author.

Upon graduating, the author decided to pass on the wisdom she had learned, in thesis format. The subject: "An education beyond the classroom: excelling in the realm of horizontal academics." The thirteen subjects are each preceded by a tableau of photos of the men, most of which seem to be pulled from Facebook and athletic action shots. (There are lots of athletes on the list, including many players from Duke's lacrosse team, whose behavior has come under scrutiny in the past, though they were cleared of wrongdoing.)

Link to the article, which includes her complete "thesis".
http://jezebel.com/5652114/college-girls-power-point-fuck-list-goes-viral-gallery


I read the thesis. It's alarmingly (ahem) thorough. She's actually a pretty hilarious writer. Perhaps
someone will make a feature film. ;)

[northoftheborder]

1. Unrecommend. Subject doesn't fit this blog site.

[peace13]

3. Maybe it would go into the 'house fire' category. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

4. I don't know...

people post all kinds of "news" and information on DU. I'll leave that up to the mods to decide.

This made "The Today Show" this morning. I was going to put it in "Latest News" but
decided that it wasn't exactly "news", as much as it was a quirky story.

I'm still mystified that she would send it to a few friends, failing to realize that the entire world would
see it.

[TransitJohn]

7. This isn't a blog site.

It's a message board. Pet peeve of mine. I get peeved when people write in comments on online newspaper sites that they're writing a blog.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. I always thought conservatives were supposed to be the prudes

[Spider Jerusalem]

65. This is a forum, not a blog.

[FSogol]

2. So, what will her parents mention about their Duke Grad in their annual Holiday letter?

:shrug:

[CoffeeCat]

5. That she had...

...a "great time at college" and had a "very busy year"?

:shrug:

[uncommon]

6. Sounds like college...

but it was pretty uncool of her friend to forward this with the pictures and everything.

[cleanhippie]

8. If a man had published the same thing, I think anyone that laughed or did not condemn him

would be taking a beating on DU right now, no?

[seabeyond]

9. agreed. i see on cnn another 13 yr old sexting took her life.

i havent read the story yet.

[Flipper999]

10. Yeah, I have to agree

If the guys could stay anonymous, then this might be kind of funny. However, their identities were revealed. Now that it's on the internet, this info could haunt them for a very long time.

Pretty bad.

[CoffeeCat]

12. That's an interesting point...

...and what you're saying is true. If a college guy did this, he would be viewed as an exploiter and as a typical jerk.
The young women might be viewed as victims.

But, we have to admit that the dynamics are a bit different when a female does this.

I do think her humorous, adventurous attitude toward sex and her own sexuality is worth noting. Let's pretend that this
document had been viewed only between friends. She has a healthy attitude toward sex. She's having fun. Many males
who act this way aren't vilified, but a woman who does is often branded a slut or easy. That's a point that is worth
discussing.

I think it was highly reckless and thoughtless to believe that this wouldn't go viral, that's for sure.

[seabeyond]

15. i don't think the dynamics are different. different for the young man that jumped off the bridge?

do boys/guys/men not get embarrassed? does it not effect their future?

i think the attitude that the dynamics are different is the very feeding adn conditioning we dont want in our men

[CoffeeCat]

20. Seabeyond....

I always appreciate your posts. You are incredibly insightful and I almost always
agree with your thoughts.

I'm not sure in this instance that we're on the same page. I'm not trying to be
insensitive---but I fail to see how most of these guys would be embarrassed by
people knowing that they had sex with this woman. Men generally aren't embarrassed
when someone knows they have sex, are they?

With women, yes, it's a different story. But that's because society labels male
sexual behavior and female sexual behavior differently.

I'm not saying that this woman was correct to disseminate this via email. She
intended for a few close friends to see it, but it went viral. At the very least, she
wasn't thinking.

Maybe, the notion is--that society shouldn't be hung up in general about sexual
behavior, no matter what the gender (as long as it's consensual and between adults).

You mentioned people jumping off bridges. I'm not sure to what incident you are
referring, but most of the suicides I've read about--were young students who were bullied
and made fun of because they were gay. Those tragic stories are so mindbogglingly
sad. My own child was a victim of bullying. Any kind of bullying is evil and I'm at a
loss as to why our society allows this to happen. However, I see this "sex list" story
as completely different. I don't see any bullying.

I see a woman made a list, and then it went viral--due to her recklessness. I guess I'm
not assuming that any of these men would be completely wrecked over this. I imagine
there is some embarrassment for some, but I just don't see lives ruined or suicides happening
with these guys.

Maybe we are just viewing their possible reactions differently. In light of all of the
suicides, due to bullying and harassment, I do understand where you're coming from. I just
see the "sex list" incident and the horrible bullying/suicides as completely different situations.

Dare I say--I assume that at least some of these young men are flattered and proud to have been
on the list and to be described as they were.

[LisaL]

27. Tyler Clementi is an 18 year old boy who jumped off a bridge

recently and killed himself after his sexual encounter with another male was apparently broadcast on the internet without his consent.

[seabeyond]

31. appreciate this. she took their privacy away from them, not giving them the option of keeping it

private.

yes there are males that like to share their acts proudly. as there are females. and there are many of both gender that dont. she didn't give the guys a choice.

i didn't read how she talked about them, the information she put out there, how identifiable these guys are.

males talk a big game, but from what i notice it is not them putting their naked ass out their to be judged but insisting it is the female. i gotta wonder if they are not even more hesitant in the experience. talking a big tale and the reality from the female perspective may be a whole other phenomenon that they just dont experience, and we dont know the repercussion.

i know that today we do not give the other the right to make the decision ourselves. that others take the choice away from us. we have been condition to believe this is ok. it isn't. we dont know what the repercussions will be. so i dont want to play.

this is my boundaries. my opinion. we dont have to see eye to eye or agree on all things. not gonna happen. but thanks for your post, explaining how you see it. always enlightens, fine tunes, opens one thoughts or cements them.

i dont buy the conditioning of gender. i see us as basically human, so what i feel, another does too. maybe not just like me, not all, but surely i am not an "only".

[Erose999]

41. From what I understand "the list" doesn't pull any punches with details and such. Some of these guys

may have been inexperienced, or just bad lays in general. Having the rest of the world know that the author's experience with them was unsatisfactory is not necessarily something they would want to publicize.

It could be really bad for their image or their self-esteem. It could hurt their reputations, etc.

She could be sued for defamation or libel or something.

Of course, all this could have been avoided had she not named names or used distinguishable photos...

[seabeyond]

44. i dont know, it could hurt the guys feeling too. i know we like to "pretend" men dont have feelers

alas, lol, they do.

i have two boys. watching them grow as they are is such a wonderful treat. as the years go by, i buy less of these gender roles.

they would be hurt. they would not like having their privacy invaded. even if they got good "ratings" they would be offended.

seems to be a people thing

[AngryAmish]

35. She described several of the men as terrible lovers

Small penises, inept, not experienced, et al. Does that change your opinion on the level of embarrassment?

[seabeyond]

38. see, i didnt know. i assumed she had, knowing women as i do, llol, but i

wont go in and look so didnt know.

exactly

how is that something to brag about

and we know, that is the one area with men you can hurt them.

[AngryAmish]

54. oops, I replied to the wrong post

Anyway, I think we may agree on this one. No offense?

[seabeyond]

57. didnt read it. and i think you and i agree. nt

[LisaL]

50. I am pretty sure that if the man did that he'd be

accused of objectifying women, and called a few unkind names around here. But a woman has a healthy sex life, don't you know?

[seabeyond]

51. i think to be a tad balanced, you have to recognize was a woman that called this out first

and women that agreed with her, and women as a whole arguing that it is not ok for this gal to do this.

it is not like the majority of women are givng it a thumbs up, any more than a man

[yella_dawg]

77. Excellent rationalization.

Doesn't change the fact there's a double standard, just exemplifies the lengths some will go to to maintain the status quo.

[seabeyond]

78. do recognize all the women fighting that perception. it helps when men actually fight it, too. nt

[JonLP24]

100. I think most mentioned are embarrased

She didn't say flattering things about everyone. She had a pros/cons section and I'm very sure she hurt feelings in the con section.

[LisaL]

19. Hmm...

If a male wrote about the females he had sex with in college, using their actual names and completing it with their rankings based on size, physical attractiveness and the other criteria she was using to rank men, would you be writing that he had this humorous adventurous attitude toward sex which was worth noting?

[CoffeeCat]

22. Well, that's an interesting point...

...and I think what you mentioned is the single most important issue about this article.

If a male had done this, it would be viewed as victimizing the females. Most of the females would definitely
be embarrassed if their names and pictures were published for sure. But is that because society shames women
who have sex? Is that because when women have sex, they are viewed as "sluts"? I think a lot of that shame
would be due to those things.

And the question we have to ask ourselves is...is that a good or bad thing?

Why, when men have sex is it viewed as healthy and a feather in their cap? But when women do the same thing, they
are viewed as marked women who should hide in shame at their horrible behavior?

[LisaL]

23. Is it a good thing to kiss and tell?

[CoffeeCat]

63. That's one of the issues with this list...

I do think it was wrong of her to publish and send to friends--because of course it would
be widely disseminated. So, that was poor judgment on the list-maker's part. For sure.

As a previous poster mentioned, it would have been so much better had the names and pictures
been omitted.

Is it wrong for women to discuss with whom they had sex, with close friends? Absolutely not.

Is it wrong for men to discuss with whom they had sex, with close friends? Absolutely not.

Kissing and telling is one of the many issues that this "list" evokes.

I don't have all of the answers tho.

[seabeyond]

34. no coffeecat. it is because not ALL of us are voyeristic and want to share our private life with

the public. i know this concept is so far out there, but some of us actually think our sex life is our own.

[Hannah Bell]

85. it's as creepy as it would have been if a man did it. not healthy at all.

[cleanhippie]

29. I disagree, Coffeecat, and here is why...

If I were to change one word in your post above, so that it read like this...(bold are my changes)

"I do think his humorous, adventurous attitude toward sex and his own sexuality is worth noting. Let's pretend that this
document had been viewed only between friends. He has a healthy attitude toward sex. He's having fun. Many females
who act this way aren't vilified, but a man who does is often branded sexist and misogynist. That's a point that is worth
discussing."

Anyone who posted that, and meant it, would be run out of here on a rail...

[Upton]

16. Agreed..

when it comes to something like this, there's most definitely a double standard around here.

[FreakinDJ]

17. If a man published this list we would be discussing Rape charges

[CoffeeCat]

25. I definitely see the double standard...

If a man published this list, the women would be viewed as exploited.

It is different when a woman publishes such a list.

However, if you read her "list" and all of the detials--I think there is absolutely no question that no
rape was involved. These were consensual hook ups.

But I do take your point. There is a double standard.

[raccoon]

30. "It is different when a woman publishes such a list."--It is, and not in a positive way.

She'll have men after her like dogs after....well, you get it.

[uncommon]

32. Problem is, she didn't "publish" it - however

she made a big mistake sharing it with someone who chose to spread it to a MUCH wider audience.

If the law allows it, she should face some penalty for invasion of privacy - or the person who distributed it to a larger audience should. Presumably she shared it with friends close enough to have already known much if not all of the information, and I don't think that should carry a penalty. But spreading it beyond that is not appropriate.

[cleanhippie]

39. I guess you don't get my point.

But thats okay, not everyone does.

[uncommon]

76. No, I get your point. You are upset about the double standard. Understandable.

You may find that many, especially women, are not so sympathetic as they have faced this kind of treatment again and again in life with no real recourse to the law or any real sympathy from society.

I agree that it was in poor taste and could be considered an invasion of privacy. But I'm not really going to shed many tears if she doesn't get in trouble since men have been treating women this way for eons and have faced little consequence.

[seabeyond]

80. "considered" an invasion of privacy. no consider. it IS an invasion of privacy.

there is no question.

[cleanhippie]

86. It it fair to say then, that your view equates to "turnabout is fair play"?

[uncommon]

92. No. I said that it was wrong. I just also said you may not find much sympathy

from women when something like this happens, for the reasons I stated.

[cleanhippie]

98. Well, thats not really what you said.

"I agree that it was in poor taste and could be considered an invasion of privacy. But I'm not really going to shed many tears if she doesn't get in trouble since men have been treating women this way for eons and have faced little consequence.'


But in your follow up you said it was wrong.

[Myrina]

13. I had the same sort of 'list' ... as I'm sure many have ...

... in the past. Just never used applied technology, and never planned for it to see the light of day.

[cbdo2007]

14. I accidentally found my wife's *list* once on a spreadsheet.

It was pretty funny actually.

[ecstatic]

18. My first thought was: Good for her for turning the tables

Men have been gossiping with their friends about their sexual exploits for centuries. Sometimes they even make sh*t up to look good. And then some of those lacrosse players took part in disgusting behavior anyway, so I don't pity them in the least.

[RZM]

24. Isn't that yesterday's news?

Probably no people who were on the team in March 2006 were still there in AY 2009-10. That would make them super-duper seniors and (I'm assuming) would be a violation of NCAA rules. Leaving aside the fact that the 2006 incident was exposed as a hoax a long time ago, why should current players on the team even be associated with it at all?

[TransitJohn]

33. Dude, it doesn't matter...we're talking DUKE LACROSSE!!! n/t

:sarcasm:

[uncommon]

37. It was not "exposed as a hoax" - at least be

intellectually honest.

Rape cases are thrown out all the time for a variety of reasons - and not because they are "hoaxes" - for the same reasons all kinds of cases are thrown out, the defendants in which are frequently guilty.

Not saying those men were guilty, but they may have been.

[LisaL]

42. Well they are actually innocent and were declared as such.

Although I fail to see what does it have to do with what we are discussing now.

[Upton]

48. Just don't want to let it go, huh?

The charges against the lacrosse players were dropped, they were declared innocent, and DA Nifong was disbarred for his actions.. And you still think they may have been guilty....yeah, okay :eyes:

[RZM]

56. Sure it was

Dictionary.com tells me that a 'hoax' = 'something intended to deceive or defraud.' Seeing as the accuser was shown to have lied about much of what happened, her account of the evening's events was false and thus was 'intended to deceive or defraud.' Cases do indeed get thrown out for all sorts of non-hoax reasons -- lost evidence, dying witnesses, technical mistakes, etc. but this clearly falls into the former category since the accuser peddled a false version of the events in question and claimed something happened of which there was almost no evidence at all.

[NoGOPZone]

60. A person can tell an untruth and still not INTEND to deceive

If that person believes that what is being said is in fact the truth. That possibility was mentioned by Attorney General Roy Cooper in the same press conference in which he took the unusual step of declaring the players innocent, rather than mereley not guilty.

"Our investigators who talked with her and the attorneys who talked with her over a period of time think that she may actually believe the many different stories that she has been telling."

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/cooper.transcript/

So it was not necessarily a HOAX, by dictionary.com's definition, although it was certainly UNTRUE.

Interestingly, the first definition dictionary.com gives for a lie is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive. Even more interestingly, Cooper gave the above reply to a question posed to him about whether the accuser had 'lied'. However, we need to settle the semantics of 'hoax' before we do so for 'lie'. ;-)

[Dreamer Tatum]

79. Actually, the lax players were not only deemed not guilty, but were publicly deemed innocent

by the DA.

Which is unusual, to say the least. So, actually, they were not only NOT guilty, but are innocent.

[Hello_Kitty]

67. On 2 occasions I had male coworkers lie about their sexual exploits with me

Then there was another guy who spread the rumor that I was a former prostitute.

[Dreamer Tatum]

69. So these men get to pay the price for "centuries" of guy talk?

What a sack of bullshit THAT is.

[seabeyond]

73. so this is just "gal talk"? what is your gripe? nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

74. My "bitch" is that on DU, more often than not, two wrongs add up to exactly one right

Which is about as unprogressive and illiberal as it gets.

And it happens more and more often here.

[seabeyond]

75. wanted to make sure the "guy talk" was wrong, since it sounds so

not a big deal.

but i agree, this is equally wrong.

[Blue_Tires]

21. whatever happened to kissing and NOT telling??

unless all the boytoys gave consent for their names/photos to be used, then this stunt is beyond low-class...

and how is it that people still don't realize that making this file with all the dirty details and snark NEVER stays a secret on a college campus? Even if the only person you gave it to was your BFF who swore no one else would ever see it??

[slackmaster]

26. Stupid woman is stupid. The 'Net is forever.

Maybe she'll make a career out of her writing, but more likely she'll live to regret letting anyone see her PowerPoint file.

[a la izquierda]

28. Wow, what a waste of a Masters degree.

And here some of us suffer along through graduate school, trying to actually produce work of substance. Jesus. :( She'll probably get some nice paying job.

[depakid]

58. No way she actually turned that in

It was amusing enough, but if that was an project write up, that was really weak.

[a la izquierda]

70. Well, I guess she didn't turn it in.

I've heard a variety of tales about this, from different people. She wrote it up as if she intended to submit it as a senior (not MA-my bad) thesis. But then she states she only sent it to three friends and never intended to do anything with it.
Sigh, I'm ultra-sensitive to this sort of thing right now, as I struggle to finish a dissertation that nobody will ever give a shit about. And this dumbass will probably make millions. This country is incredibly fucked up.

[xchrom]

36. Very funny. And I don't read more into it. Nt

[midnight]

40. K&R for point of information.

[AngryAmish]

43. Her name is Karen Owen

I don't see why she should not be named also.

[LisaL]

46. Good point.

[AngryAmish]

47. Karen F. Owen, actually

[lumberjack_jeff]

81. +1 n/t

[cbdo2007]

84. pics?? Other info??

She should have all of her "private" information exposed as well. Hopefully some of the players come out with their own side of the story about her as i'm sure she's not the goddess she makes herself out to be.

[mitchum]

106. "I expected to hear an echo coming out of that thing"

There, I got them started...

[qb]

45. I don't mind objectifying a few men... just to help balance things a bit.

:evilgrin:

[seabeyond]

49. damn, if this isn't parallel to the fire threads. life is a trip. did the man deserve his house

to be burned down, to learn a lesson?

teasing

but is interesting how different issue that are basically the same, we can be 180

[Dreamer Tatum]

72. Pity those men weren't anyone you care deeply about

Oh well.

[K8-EEE]

52. too bad she didn"t just write a novel about this stuff instead of

stupidly putting it down like this, it have been a lot less hurtful/harmful and she would be a published writer instead of a disgrace to her school.

I'm sending to my daughter in college as an example of WHAT NOT TO PUT IN WRITING AND SEND TO ANYONE

[seabeyond]

53. that is MY parenting style too. ok.... this one i tell to kids. check. nt

[progressoid]

55. Harper Collins is interested...

http://jezebel.com/5653207/college-girls-fuck-list-inevitably-sparks-agents-interest


"I'm an editor at HarperCollins publishers, where I specialize in pop culture and entertainment books. I'm intrigued and entertained by 's PowerPoint "f*ck list," which is making the rounds online and am wondering if you could give me her email address or forward my note of interest to her. Even though I'm sure she's horrified that her, uh, presentation, which was intended for a small group of friends, has gone viral, she's a very good, funny writer, and I'm wondering if she has any interest in writing a book. She's like the female equivalent of Tucker Max, and I admire his sense of self-empowerment!"

[seabeyond]

59. his sense of self-empowerment!" dont know tucker, but this gal

may be empowering to her as she makes her victims powerless.

and THAT

in a nutshell is our self absorbed society today.

as long as she has her empowerment, .... fuck everyone else.

[cbdo2007]

99. I don't see her as empowered at all by this. She describes "blacking out" on at least

one occasion and waking up naked next to a guy she didn't find attractive. Nothing empowering about being date raped and bragging about it to your friends.

[seabeyond]

105. she feels it is empowered, reality, it show her as pathetic. agreed

not something i would be bragging about

[Blue_Tires]

66. doesn't surprise me...this girl is going to be celebrity soon

publishers love tawdry, tell-all trainwrecks, like that woman working in D.C. a few years back blogging about all the married bosses she humped...

[seabeyond]

68. we have come a long way... baby.

snark

[Dreamer Tatum]

71. Um, we can get it for free. So the only way she's going to make money

is to continue to be a scumbag.

Which I wouldn't put past her.

[DURHAM D]

61. Damn that is weird -

I live near Duke and am familiar with all of those establishments, apartments, and campus locations.

On a couple of occasions I have stopped and asked stumbling drunk coeds if they needed a ride back to Duke campus because I am aware of the neighborhoods, bus schedules, dark streets, etc. I am old enough to be their grandmother but work strange hours and don't go out until about 1:00 am. By time I go out to my local pub (good friend is the owner) there are drunk girls everywhere in the 9th Street and Bright Leaf Square area.

Usually the girls are trying to walk back to east campus (on very high heels) to catch the bus to the main campus. One night I passed two girls stumbling along Main Street toward east campus and I knew the bus had stopped running. I turned my car around and asked the girls if they needed a ride. Naturally they didn't trust me but I asked them if they were aware they were being followed. (I actually knew the guy behind them. I knew him because he works in the kitchen of a restaurant in the Bright Leaf area.) They responded that "It would be okay". I then told them that the guy had a record for sexual assault and they might want to think about it. They conferred for a bit and then jumped in the back seat. As we drove away the 50 year old perp screamed "Bitch" at me.

As I headed to main campus to drop them off they were both texting. As a result they had me drop them off at an apartment complex near campus for a booty call. They were both 19 and had fake IDs that allowed them to drink. They had been at Shooters. They thanked me for the ride and asked for my email address so they could send me a thank you. Told them it was not necessary but I hoped they would be more mindful of their surroundings in the future and stay safe.

Its a wonder any coed leaves Durham without experiencing a sexual assault. Maybe they don't. After reading the senior thesis maybe I am naive and should just stop worrying about the girls who put themselves in such danger.

Nah - can't really do that. I will keep stepping up if they appear to be walking into a problem.

[seabeyond]

62. i thought it an awful campus

both sons in duke unv program young so my youngest wants to go there. a year ago we drove in the area and let him see the campus. very hard to find stuff there. so spread out. not even like a campus....

i didnt like the set up

but, once we got in there and saw some stuff, was real cool

[Xithras]

64. What's the difference between this and the old "little black book".

I don't think college kids use a paper book nowadays, but the concept is the same. Keep a log, with notes, of those you flirt, date, or hook up with. That book can later be used as a reference if one of your friends asks about dating that person, or can be used as a "source" on bored nights when you're looking for someone to hang out with.

Hers had the misfortune of being published.

[AngryAmish]

82. I am 41. I know nobody who ever had that book.

[Xithras]

89. Did you go to college?

I'm 36, and at Berlekey it seemed like half the guys who were dating multiple people had one. Sometimes it was an actual book, and sometimes it was just a folded up bit of paper that guys kept in their sock drawer, but it was a reasonably common thing to have.

[AngryAmish]

90. yes. And grad school.

Never saw any of these notes, ever.

[Scout]

93. so of course it must never have happened, there or anywhere else! n/t

[seabeyond]

94. shhhhh, i have a book.

little and red. i dont like to follow everyone else. still have it 16 yrs into marriage. saw it a handful of years ago. clueless where it is.

promise

not to tell anyone.

[Matariki]

83. "Points were deducted for rudeness or being Canadian"

lol

that was funny, if only for seeing men being scrutinized in a way women usually are.

[seabeyond]

87. btw... SOME men. those crying out for your sex threads. gotta have em

if you put a picture of a naked woman and then proceed to tear her apart. crude and vulgar, demean, degrade, humiliate.... you are doing the same thing this woman is doing.

it is merely the action of grabbing the given crotch to make sure it is still there and empower their own sexuality at anothers expense.

in other words, weak

women get it, too much. some duers on this thread OUTRAGED over this will be the first on those threads.

and the hypocrisy

so hopefully, those less than patient with the perfect balance thing, and those outraged at the ones with little patient

we kinda get it.

[hootinholler]

88. Kick for later n/t

[cbdo2007]

91. Here are some pictures of her -

Karen F Owens



I give her a 5 out of 10.

[seabeyond]

95. ahhhhhh. so now diss her? a little of her own medicine? as you gripe

(but first thread thought funny, until you realized you were suppose to be outraged) about the hypocrisy of du. then go into the old "guy talk" with this woman.

this is funny

picture i was ok with

your 5/10 comment, see what you are doing.

[Marr]

96. Shame really is dead, isn't it?

I'm 37, but stories like this make me feel very old. Seems like many young adults today have no concept of privacy. I assume it's a result of the internet, social networking sites, instant communication, etc. It's very strange.

[seabeyond]

97. +1. nt

[proteus_lives]

101. +2

[proteus_lives]

102. Meh, age of the internet.

There is nothing wrong with a man or woman having fun when they're young and single.

I did in college.

But what happened to being discreet?

I'm not talking about shame or anything like that. But didn't this area of life used fall under "no one's damn business"?

Maybe I don't get it because I've very been one of those "look at me! look at me!" people.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

103. experience has taught me...

women are every bit as capable of being sexually obnoxious as men are, however the "mean girl" factor can introduced a level of deliberate cruelty all their own.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

104. The same thing happened at MIT in 1976 or 77, as I recall.

A girl rated several of her boyfriends sexually, and included details about technique and penis size and it was published in The Tech newspaper. People were shocked.