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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:04 PM
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BFEE refused to commission Apollo 11 as 'The John F. Kennedy.'
Pat Moynihan and a whole lot of people on both sides of the aisle thought it was a great idea. Nixon and his creeps did not.

(Blogger Machodoc) Came across an interesting tidbit at the Archives yesterday, specifically in Kissinger's National Security space files.

It seems that in early summer 1969 Bill Moyers, after reading an article in Newsday, wrote Pat Moynihan to ask if he could convice President Nixon to christen the Apollo XI the "John F. Kennedy". Moynihan agreed, sent a memo to up the chain of command, where before it finally reached the White House received a couple of additional endorsements.

On June 12 the proposal reached John Ehrlichman's desk, and in a memo to H. R. Haldeman, wrote: "Unlike Daniel P. Moynihan, I can see no advantage to the President to commission the Apollo 11 moon shot the "John F. Kennedy." We would win neither friends in Congress no votes in 1972 and would only become pawns in the press's game of perpetuating the name of JFK. Fall prey to this and the next step will be renaming the moon because NBC thinks it would be a good idea."

The next day, in a memo to his boss, Haldeman, Steve Bull agreed, an in his memo said that "we have gone far enough in "Kennedyizing" such ventures."

In the action box at the bottom of the page, in the space recommending the action be abandoned is Haldeman's "H", with a note in strong handwriting and double underlined, "positively!!"


"Houston. Tranquility Base here. The John F. Kennedy has landed."

I wonder how much more of our nation's official history has been distorted by the decrepit hands and evil hearts of the War Party?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:16 PM
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1. this has what to do with the Bushes?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:24 PM
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2. Nixon was protege of Prescott "Hitler's Banker" Bush.
Tricky Dick was very interested in getting the CIA's help in shutting down the FBI's investigation about a "third-rate burglary."
Here's the taped transcript that finally drove the warmonger from the Oval Office:

...BTW: "The Texans" refers to George Herbert Walker Bush, James Baker III and Robert Mosbacher.
The "Bay of Pigs Thing," according to then-White House Chief of Staff H. R. "Bob" Haldeman,
was apparently Nixon's code for the assassination of President Kennedy.

The Smoking Gun Tape

June 23, 1972

This is the transcript of the recording of a meeting between President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman in the Oval Office on June 23, 1972 from 10.04am to 11.39am.

Listen to the Audio of the Smoking Gun tape

Haldeman: okay -that's fine. Now, on the investigation, you know, the Democratic break-in thing, we're back to the-in the, the problem area because the FBI is not under control, because Gray doesn't exactly know how to control them, and they have, their investigation is now leading into some productive areas, because they've been able to trace the money, not through the money itself, but through the bank, you know, sources - the banker himself. And, and it goes in some directions we don't want it to go. Ah, also there have been some things, like an informant came in off the street to the FBI in Miami, who was a photographer or has a friend who is a photographer who developed some films through this guy, Barker, and the films had pictures of Democratic National Committee letter head documents and things. So I guess, so it's things like that that are gonna, that are filtering in. Mitchell came up with yesterday, and John Dean analyzed very carefully last night and concludes, concurs now with Mitchell's recommendation that the only way to solve this, and we're set up beautifully to do it, ah, in that and that...the only network that paid any attention to it last night was NBC...they did a massive story on the Cuban...

Nixon: That's right.

Haldeman: thing.

Nixon: Right.

Haldeman: That the way to handle this now is for us to have Walters call Pat Gray and just say, "Stay the hell out of this...this is ah, business here we don't want you to go any further on it." That's not an unusual development,...

Nixon: Um huh.

Haldeman: ...and, uh, that would take care of it.

Nixon: What about Pat Gray, ah, you mean he doesn't want to?

Haldeman: Pat does want to. He doesn't know how to, and he doesn't have, he doesn't have any basis for doing it. Given this, he will then have the basis. He'll call Mark Felt in, and the two of them ...and Mark Felt wants to cooperate because...

Nixon: Yeah.

Haldeman: he's ambitious...

Nixon: Yeah.

Haldeman: Ah, he'll call him in and say, "We've got the signal from across the river to, to put the hold on this." And that will fit rather well because the FBI agents who are working the case, at this point, feel that's what it is. This is CIA.

Nixon: But they've traced the money to 'em.

Haldeman: Well they have, they've traced to a name, but they haven't gotten to the guy yet.

Nixon: Would it be somebody here?

Haldeman: Ken Dahlberg.

Nixon: Who the hell is Ken Dahlberg?

Haldeman: He's ah, he gave $25,000 in Minnesota and ah, the check went directly in to this, to this guy Barker.

Nixon: Maybe he's a ...bum.

Nixon: He didn't get this from the committee though, from Stans.

Haldeman: Yeah. It is. It is. It's directly traceable and there's some more through some Texas people in--that went to the Mexican bank which they can also trace to the Mexican bank...they'll get their names today. And pause)

Nixon: Well, I mean, ah, there's no way... I'm just thinking if they don't cooperate, what do they say? They they, they were approached by the Cubans. That's what Dahlberg has to say, the Texans too. Is that the idea?

Haldeman: Well, if they will. But then we're relying on more and more people all the time. That's the problem. And ah, they'll stop if we could, if we take this other step.

Nixon: All right. Fine.

Haldeman: And, and they seem to feel the thing to do is get them to stop?

Nixon: Right, fine.

Haldeman: They say the only way to do that is from White House instructions. And it's got to be to Helms and, ah, what's his name...? Walters.

Nixon: Walters.

Haldeman: And the proposal would be that Ehrlichman (coughs) and I call them in

Nixon: All right, fine.

Haldeman: and say, ah...

Nixon: How do you call him in, I mean you just, well, we protected Helms from one hell of a lot of things.

Haldeman: That's what Ehrlichman says.

Nixon: Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you will-that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab there's a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further. This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves. Well what the hell, did Mitchell know about this thing to any much of a degree?

Haldeman: I think so. I don 't think he knew the details, but I think he knew.

Nixon: He didn't know how it was going to be handled though, with Dahlberg and the Texans and so forth? Well who was the asshole that did? (Unintelligible) Is it Liddy? Is that the fellow? He must be a little nuts.

Haldeman: He is.

Nixon: I mean he just isn't well screwed on is he? Isn't that the problem?

Haldeman: No, but he was under pressure, apparently, to get more information, and as he got more pressure, he pushed the people harder to move harder on...

Nixon: Pressure from Mitchell?

Haldeman: Apparently.

Nixon: Oh, Mitchell, Mitchell was at the point that you made on this, that exactly what I need from you is on the--

Haldeman: Gemstone, yeah.

Nixon: All right, fine, I understand it all. We won't second-guess Mitchell and the rest. Thank God it wasn't Colson.

Haldeman: The FBI interviewed Colson yesterday. They determined that would be a good thing to do.

Nixon: Um hum.

Haldeman: Ah, to have him take a...

Nixon: Um hum.

Haldeman: An interrogation, which he did, and that, the FBI guys working the case had concluded that there were one or two possibilities, one, that this was a White House, they don't think that there is anything at the Election Committee, they think it was either a White House operation and they had some obscure reasons for it, non political,...

Nixon: Uh huh.

Haldeman: or it was a...

Nixon: Cuban thing-

Haldeman: Cubans and the CIA. And after their interrogation of, of...

Nixon: Colson.

Haldeman: Colson, yesterday, they concluded it was not the White House, but are now convinced it is a CIA thing, so the CIA turn off would...

Nixon: Well, not sure of their analysis, I'm not going to get that involved. I'm (unintelligible).

Haldeman: No, sir. We don't want you to.

Nixon: You call them in.

Nixon: Good. Good deal! Play it tough. That's the way they play it and that's the way we are going to play it.

Haldeman: O.K. We'll do it.

Nixon: Yeah, when I saw that news summary item, I of course knew it was a bunch of crap, but I thought ah, well it's good to have them off on this wild hair thing because when they start bugging us, which they have, we'll know our little boys will not know how to handle it. I hope they will though. You never know. Maybe, you think about it. Good!


Nixon: When you get in these people when you...get these people in, say: "Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing, and the President just feels that" ah, without going into the details... don't, don't lie to them to the extent to say there is no involvement, but just say this is sort of a comedy of errors, bizarre, without getting into it, "the President believes that it is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again. And, ah because these people are plugging for, for keeps and that they should call the FBI in and say that we wish for the country, don't go any further into this case", period!

Haldeman: OK

Nixon: That's the way to put it, do it straight (Unintelligible)

Haldeman: Get more done for our cause by the opposition than by us at this point.

Nixon: You think so?

Haldeman: I think so, yeah.

That's how it ties in with Nixon.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:28 PM
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3. Haldeman wrote later the "Bay of Pigs thing" was JFK's assassination.
But of course, those who think there was any connection between the Bay of Pigs and JFK's murder are dismissed as conspiracy theorists.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:00 AM
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4. Haldeman said it was code for Dallas in his memoire, ''The Ends of Power.''
From Dirty Politics Nixon, Watergate, and the JFK Assassination

Following instructions, Haldeman informed CIA Director Richard Helms of Nixon's concern that the Watergate investigation would "open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again." Haldeman gives this account of what transpired next:

"Turmoil in the room. Helms, gripping the arms of his chair, leaning forward and shouting, 'The Bay of Pigs had nothing to do with this. I have no concern about the Bay of Pigs.'

"Silence. I just sat there. I was absolutely shocked by Helms' violent reaction. Again I wondered, what was such dynamite in the Bay of Pigs story?"

And, We the People are just supposed to "move on." Amazing, isn't it?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 08:00 AM
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5. The crook Nixon didn't mention President Kennedy in his phone call to Tranquility Base.

"This certainly has to be the most historic telephone call ever made. For every American this has to be the proudest day of our lives. And for people all over the world I am sure they, too, join with Americans in recognizing what a feat this is. Because of what you have done, the heavens have become a part of man's world. As you talk to us from the Sea of Tranquility, it inspires us to redouble our efforts to bring peace and tranquility to Earth. For one priceless moment, in the whole history of man, all the people on this Earth are truly one." -- Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon, telephone message from the Oval office to Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the Moon. (20 July 1969)
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 08:02 AM
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6. Man, they've hated NBC a long time, huh?

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 08:19 AM
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7. That's why Bill Casey and the rest of the pukes bought as much media as possible.
Do you know this history?

ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

The following brief history of ABC offers a perfect snapshot of everything that has gone wrong with the media. This remarkable story includes ABC's takeover by a conservative parent corporation, the demise of the Fairness Doctrine, the rightward shift of the evening news, the rise of conservative talk radio, and the cozy relationship between a state and a press that are supposed to be separate.

In 1985, ABC was taken over by Capital Cities, a conservative, Roman Catholic media organization with extensive ties to the CIA.

(If you think we're making this up, you should know that the Capital Cities takeover of ABC is one of the most analyzed in history, and the subject of many books by Wall Street experts and scholars. Especially recommended is Networks of Power, by Emmy Award-winner Dennis Mazzocco.) (1)

Capital Cities was born in 1954, and rapidly prospered. Many of its founders had previously worked in the U.S. intelligence community and had a great amount of wealth, social contacts and influence in government. Yet they opted to keep the company's actions out of the public eye -- they did not flaunt their wealth with private planes and lavish offices the way so many successful companies do. Just exactly how well-connected Capital Cities was to the CIA is unknown, but it is clear that the CIA concerned itself with the company at various times. The fact that the CIA has often used private businessmen, journalists and even entire companies as fronts for covert operations is not only well-known by historians, but legendary. (Recall Howard Hughes and Trans-World Airlines...)

One of Capital City's early founders was William Casey, who would later become Ronald Reagan's Director of the CIA. At the time of Casey's nomination, the press expressed surprise that Reagan would hire a businessman whose last-known intelligence experience was limited to OSS operations in World War II. The fact is, however, that Casey had never left intelligence. Throughout the Cold War he kept a foot in both worlds, in private business as well as the CIA. A history of Casey's business dealings reveals that he was an aggressive player who saw nothing wrong with bending the law to further his own conservative agenda. When he became implicated as a central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, many Washington insiders considered it a predictable continuation of a very shady career.

Another Capital Cities founder, Lowell Thomas, was a close friend and business contact with Allen Dulles, Eisenhower's CIA Director, and John Dulles, the Secretary of State. Thomas always denied being a spy, but he was frequently seen at events involving intelligence operations. Another founder was Thomas Dewey, whom the CIA had given millions to create other front companies for covert operations.

Capital Cities prospered from the start; its specialty was to buy media organizations that were in trouble. Upon acquisition, it would improve management and eliminate waste until the company started turning a profit. This no-nonsense, no-frills approach, as well as its refusal to become side-tracked with other ventures, made it one of the most successful media conglomerates of the 60s and 70s. Of course, the journalistic slant of its companies was decidedly conservative and anticommunist. To anyone who believes that the government should not control the press, the possibility that the CIA created a media company to dispense conservative and Cold War propaganda should be alarming. Rush Limbaugh himself calls freedom of the press "the sweetest -- and most American -- words you will ever find." (2) Apparently, he is unaware of the history of his own employers.

By the 1980s, Capital Cities had grown powerful enough that it was now poised to hunt truly big game: a major television network. A vulnerable target appeared in the form of ABC, whose poor management in the early 80s was driving both its profits and stocks into oblivion. Back then, ABC's journalistic slant was indeed liberal; its criticism of the Reagan Administration had drawn the wrath of conservatives everywhere, from Wall Street to Washington. This was in marked contrast to the rest of the White House press corps, which was, in Bagdikian's words, "stunningly uncritical" of Reagan. Behind the scenes, Reagan was deregulating the FCC and eliminating anti-monopoly laws for the media, a fact the media appreciated and rewarded. The only exception was ABC. Sam Donaldson's penetrating questions during press conferences were so embarrassing to Reagan that his handlers scheduled the fewest Presidential press conferences in modern history.


ABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutwork followed and that's why today we never seem to hear the Liberal's side of anything on the tee vee. Ever.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:38 PM
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8. Fuck the war party!!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:53 PM
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12. Got just the guy.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:41 PM
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16. Got to keep spreading the knowledge! Its the only way to defeat these fuckers!
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:45 PM
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9. Eh, I'm fine with it not being named after a person.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:48 PM
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11. I'm not. Kennedy was the guy who got us to the moon in the first place.
And If he'd lived, this'd be a different world -- a better one.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:07 PM
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14. +100 n/t
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:10 PM
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15. Naming it after someone just polarizes people, and the cult of personality does little good. It was
an achievement for the nation, and naming it after a president doesn't make sense.
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independent_voter Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:47 PM
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10. Gus Grissom, Ed White, Roger Chafee died in Apollo 1
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 01:14 PM by independent_voter
Was it really that petty to leave it as Apollo 11, in recognition of what they gave their lives for?

The people who remember that day had to notice it was launched from Cape Kennedy

They didnt know that they would make it back safely until they were back on the carrier - so did they risk naming it before it went up and risk the name being associated with disaster - or did they wait until they made it back safely and then take the glory?

It was a project that spanned 4 presidents - from Eisenhower/Nixon, to Kennedy, who made the signaure goal, to Johnson (where the real bulk of the progress was carried out), to Nixon

In some ways, it would have been a snub to Johnson, who wasnt a big fan of the Kennedys

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:01 PM
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13. Apollo 1 Fire broke my heart.
Absolutely, we must remember the crew of Apollo I. Gus Grissom was the second American into space and had commanded Gemini III. Ed White was America's first man to walk in space. Roger Chaffee was the rookie. It seems like yesterday, the wound still sears me.

I was nine years old and had been following the space program since I was six. My best friend's dad worked for Whirlpool, makers of space food. We got access to all manner of information about the space program from their PR department, as well as from various NASA facilities across the country. Mission Summaries, NASA Facts fold-outs, photos and press backgrounders. Great days. And when that horrible January day came, we were heartbroken like nothing we had ever experienced.
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independent_voter Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:57 PM
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17. Gus Grissom in particular
he had been given very rough treatment over exploding bolts in a mercury capsule that he may well have had nothing to do with

and he lost his life to what may have been an engineering over-correction of hatch escape bolts

i really think if there had been a dedication, it should have gone to these men
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