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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:16 PM
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Citizens: learn about the pre-election polling scam unfolding now:
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 06:32 PM by tiptoe


See: http://bit.ly/abXXCf ...Scroll down and recommend it !

The foundation is being laid for votecount fraud on election day, to be followed up by Final exit polls that are always "forced" to match the state-reported and House-clerk recorded vote-count on a lying presumption the vote count is correct.

In 2008 the consortium of new outlets FOX, AP, CNN et al suppressed the evaluation report of its own contracted exit-pollster that would have revealed -- via 51 unadjusted-state exit polls and three un-forced preliminary-national exit polls -- the truth that Obama won by 13 million more votes than the official recorded 9.5 million margin.

Read all about it, with supporting facts, at the link above -- and recommend the post so others can be prepared.

NOTE: Obama has warned numerous times that Democracy in America is threatened by the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, by justices nominated by a fraudulent-elected president. That same fraud condoned torture in the name of America, war crimes in an illegal war, and the exposure of an undercover CIA operative. 80,000 New Yorkers signed a petition in 2009 for a ballot initiative to re-investigate 9-11 -- it was stifled by NY right wing trash politics. It's all tied to systemic election fraud, a sure reflection of which is found here for those with eyes to see.

Give the thread a recommendation -- a few hours left -- and tell others.


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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:26 PM
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1. Don't forget to recommend the thread!!! Let's take our country back.


http://bit.ly/abXXCf

Recommend the above link so others can learn
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:29 PM
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2. Done
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:38 PM
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3. Thank you for acknowledging! There's a gang of UN-reccers trying to stifle truth re election fraud


Please encourage your DU friends to do the same, to read and recommend the thread http://bit.ly/abXXCf


 
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nessa Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:12 PM
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58. Maybe it's one poster, un-reccing multiple times..
DU rec/unrec fraud. ;-)
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pjahn Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:39 PM
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4. Sigh
I don/t much care for conspiracy theories. Birthers, 9/11 truthers and now stolen election folks....
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:49 PM
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9. Susan Eisenhower cared & de-registered from the "hijacked" rad-RW controlled remnant of the "GOP" nt
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 10:14 AM
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21. You think stolen elections aren't real?
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
34. then keep your head in the sand...
where you feel more comfortable.

We'll fight for your rights for you!
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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:45 PM
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64. Even if none of the considerable evidence convinces you
shouldn't we have an audit trail WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERIFIED?
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:42 PM
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5. If you've recommended this thread as well as the other, please acknowledge.


Let's see how large is the cadre of un-reccers re election fraud are traipsing about DU.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:44 PM
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6. K&R
The push is on to steal everything they can steal. Impeach the liars on the SCOTUS!
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:45 PM
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8. Hubert, thanks, did you recommend the other thread in addition to this one?
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:45 PM
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7. Here we go....
...same crap. K&R
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 06:50 PM
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10. K&R nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 07:46 PM
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11. If you go back and look I have posted similar threads several times I really
believe that the reason the republican owned polling companies are pushing the fact that republicans are leading is they already have most electronic machines set to give the votes to republicans. And that they wanted to make people think the republicans were ahead so they couldn't be caught. And that's the same reason the republican owned media is pushing the republicans.

The only way it can be countered is if the Democrats ascend on the polls in records numbers like they did with Obama. I think they tried it with Obama but they didn't realize he would get so many votes. They didn't have the totals set up on the machines to overcome his votes. And I also said...I just wonder how big a landslide he would have gotten if he had gotten all the votes that were really cast for him.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:15 PM
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13. True Vote analysis for Obama: 22 million vote margin (official recorded 9.5m margin is fraudulent)nt
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 09:03 PM by tiptoe
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:24 PM
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27. NO! the really really true vote analysis for Obama: 100 million vote margin!!
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 07:51 PM
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12. K&R (and the other thread, too) - n/t
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:52 PM
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14. Recced Cheers Tiptoe and TIA!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:35 PM
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15. What I dont understand is, why isnt the Democratic Party concerned? nm
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 09:35 AM
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20. You would think that after the stolen election in 2000,
and the problems in 2004, that Election security would be a Front Burner Issue with the Democratic Party.
Over 93% of the American People (Democrats & Republicans) support Transparent/Verifiable Elections.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445

And yet...The Democratic Party Leadership is SILENT on this issue.
In fact, the Democratic Party has just presided over the further consolidation of BBV.
WHY?
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:19 PM
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67. Bingo........
It does seem to suck!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:37 PM
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16. k&r... We won't stand a chance if this isn't fixed. . . . n/t
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:57 PM
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17. If only more people would get it kick. n/t
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:35 AM
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18. Early morning nudge.
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harris8 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:34 AM
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19. K&R nt
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 11:01 AM
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22. Big K&R
n/t
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 11:27 AM
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23. k and r
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 11:51 AM
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24. Obama won by 22.5 million votes, huh?
Is that a joke that I'm just not getting?

I don't know how many people TIA thinks voted in the 2008 election, but I assume that would be at least a 15-point margin (about 17 points based on the official totals). Really?
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:28 PM
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28. Please, TIA is a foolish embarrassment with too much time on his hands.
Could you imagine how painful spending 10 minutes with him would be?? OH My Lord........
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:36 PM
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29. lots of recs, however
I'm not sure why. I think that some people 'bonded' with TIA after the 2004 election, and/or feel that by reccing his stuff they are standing up against electronic voting, voter intimidation, and other election problems. If I thought that pretending to believe that Obama won by 22.5 million votes could improve elections, maybe I would consider it.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:07 PM
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57. Why so many recs?..I can explain.
There are a lot of people that believe that this is all fixed but they are reluctant to say so for fear of being ridiculed as a CT.
And that is the key to keeping the game rigged....ridicule anything but the official story....otherwise you will be regulated to the grassy knoll society.
It is the oldest game in the book for controlling a populus....and we bite every time.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. so, are you saying...
that the people who recced this diary actually believe that Obama won by 22.5 million votes, but are afraid that they will be ridiculed if they attempt to explain why?

Or do they actually not care whether Obama won by 22.5 million votes, because they are expressing a general opinion that "this is all fixed"?

I have never yet found anyone on DU who can convince me that he or she believes TIA's arguments, other than TIA himself. (For me, believing entails understanding the arguments.)
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:05 PM
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69. I am saying that they believe the system is fixed
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 07:06 PM by zeemike
And that the true number of votes for Obama will never be known.
And it is because it is all fixed.
And yes you know that they will be ridiculed as a CT nut....it happens every time because this is the climate that is created to keep us from catching on to the game.
It is very much like a crooked gambling game...the shill is there to convince us that the game is on the up and up.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Who's TIA? I know it's Spanish for "aunt"
What's the back story?
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. short for TruthIsAll
Before the 2004 election, he had some remarkably optimistic projections about how Kerry was practically certain to win. After the election, he decided that the exit polls proved he had been right all along. Eventually he was banned from DU for attacks on other posters. Since then he has been banned at least twice more (I don't really remember).

TIA is kind of smart, but his assumptions tend to be wishful and internally inconsistent. The 22.5 million bit is an extreme example.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:17 PM
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38. I remember hearing such claims
You mean he was a member here at DU?

Prestigious.

Pity he lacked social graces.

I never got into the subject because the rebuttal I always heard was exit polls only prove where pollsters stuck their employees, not how a vote actually went down. I couldn't really rebut the rebuttal so I never looked into it very deeply.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:07 PM
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45. a bit more than that
Basically, the claim was that exit polls had always been uncannily accurate (i.e., had always closely matched election results) until 2000 or 2004. When that turned out not to be true, some folks doubled down.

The issue doesn't seem to be where pollsters stick their employees, but rather who in those places is willing to fill out the survey.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #36
55. He said at the time that his 'calculations' showed a 99%
probability of Kerry's election.
http://www.oocities.com/electionmodel/
High comedy...
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. Um... I'd Listen to Him Over You ANYDAY
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #41
54. that's fine with me, now go clean your room.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #54
71. wow... how old are you? Do you usually rebut like a child
maybe you should come out of the basement and take a look around big man posting on a discussion board. **snort**
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. I guess I really hit a nerve with you hahahahahaha. don't worry, it'll grow eventually :-)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. yeah man, you like got mad skillz on posterz
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 04:19 PM by fascisthunter
lol- not too smart
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
33. There's no way in hell that many white people voted for Obama.
Because believing that margin requires you to assume Obama won a sweeping majority of white voters. There's no way in hell that happened in this racist country.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. That's the pot calling the kettle racist
Racism by its very definition makes broad, sweeping and deragatory statements about entire groups based on no qualifier other than some demographic attribute.

Obama carried the state where I live and this state is very predominantly white and pretty darned hickish as well.

Please give serious reconsideration to your slur.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Excuse you? I ain't reconsidering shit.
Oh and, I love your high dudgeon and pearl clutching as you characterize your own state as "hickish".

Pot and kettle right backatcha.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Actually the hicks around here self-ID as hicks
they say it proudly.

My dad even calls himself redneck white trash as if it's some badge of honor and he faithfully votes D.

The fact is a solid majority of whites voted for Obama and even many of those who didn't had reasons beyond skin color. Whites also worked hard towards abolition, civil rights and over-turning unjust laws...all before the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. And racists self ID as racists. Some more subtly than others but they all do.
White America is by and large still racist. Denying it isn't going to change that.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Slandering decent people doesn't win you supporters or change minds
The only thing is does is unmask the bitterness inside you.

Are you hoping to badger people into accepting you?

"Like what I like or you're a RACIST!"

Maybe they don't like what you like because you're an angry jerk and you represent what you like in a very nasty light.

I voted for Obama. I spent time handing out literature during the campaign. I was in Denver. I was a big supporter.

But I hope to never stand beside a fellow supporter so angry and hostile over nothing more than the color of someone's skin.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
48. a solid majority of whites where?
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 02:15 PM by OnTheOtherHand
It appears that nationwide, most whites voted for McCain. (What racism may have had to do with it is another matter entirely.)

(edit for clarity)
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. you're right
I found a CNN exit poll that says 43% of whites voted for Obama.

Although, I've read plenty of posts lately that claim CNN is RW and its polls aren't to be trusted.

Make of that what you will. :D
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #50
66. CNN has the 2008 *Final* Nat'l Exit Poll. "The Final NEP is FORCED to match the recorded vote count"
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 07:10 PM by tiptoe


CNN displays the 2008 Final National Exit Poll -- see http://bit.ly/dquFqz -- and, indeed, the Obama vote-share for WHITES shows 43%.

HOWEVER,

HERE'S WHAT ELSE WE KNOW WHICH WASN'T PROVIDED YOU:

  1. All Final National Exit Polls are "forced" to match the recorded vote count (see http://bit.ly/bRGaXi for explanation and 2004 example of Kerry vote shares being forced from higher levels in the Prelim exit poll to lower levels in the Final exit poll in order to force a match with the recorded vote-count's 51-48% Bush, for every category, including RACE, by 2004 exit poll timeline)

  2. In 2004 the un-forced 12:22am Preliminary National Exit Poll (1% MoE) showed Kerry winning White Males 41% and White Females 47%
    In 2004 the Final NEP shows Kerry's share of White Males had been forced down 4% to 37 and his White Female share forced down 3% to 44. Bush's shares were increased.
    ----the RACE stratifications were "forced" until the whole-category bottomline share totals -- like all categories in Final NEPs -- matched the share of the recorded vote count, Bush 51-48. The resulting 2004 Final NEP returning-voter mix, however, was shown to be impossible (see: The TRUE MATH) and, thereby, the recorded vote count, itself, was established impossible.

  3. In 2008, what we are seeing in CNN's exit poll presentation are the Final NEP category share totals, including Race, where Obama's stratified shares of

    43% White
    95% Afro American
    67% Latino
    62% Asian
    66% Other

    would be as in 2004 after the 2008 Preliminary NEP share totals had been adjusted in a forced-matching with the 2008 official recorded vote count, Obama 52.87% to 45.60%.

  4. But the forcing of the Final NEP in 2008 resulted just as in 2004 in an impossible returning-voter mix (see http://bit.ly/bqqwSA ), indicating that the 2008 recorded vote -- to which the final exit poll was matched was, itself, fraudulent.

    So, all we have to do is look -- as done in 2004 with the 1% MoE preliminary exit poll (Kerry winning 51-48) -- at the 2008 Preliminary Exit Poll to obtain a more-likely vote share for Obama and McCain than the impossible Final NEP that CNN currently displays..

    But,wait...the unforced 2008 Prelim exit poll and 51 unadjusted state exit polls HAVE BEEN SUPPRESSED...by none other than...

    CNN and its associated consortium member news outlets FOX, AP, CBS, NBC and ABC!

    Knowing that CNN is a part of a group suppressing its own contracted exit pollster's unadjusted-poll results, both state and national, and knowing that all Final Exit poll category shares -- including RACE -- are forced to match the share total of the recorded vote count, and knowing that the recorded vote count for 2008 can't be right (because the forced returning voter numbers of the Final NEP are impossible)...

    IS THERE ANY REASON TO TRUST THE 2008 FINAL NATIONAL EXIT POLL share totals for Obama for ANY demographic category, including RACE?

    Is there any other way to attain the Truth about the 2008 voting demographic for RACE and a "truer" picture of the percentage of Whites that acutally voted for Obama, since the breakdown appearing in #3 above cannot be possible?

  5. See the True Vote Analysis for 2008, scenario 2, 57.5-40.6%, based on a feasible return voter mix, and consider it along with the following facts:

    121.3 million recorded votes on Election Day: Obama 52.3-46.3% (bogus)
    10.1 million late (paper ballot) votes: Obama 59.2-37.5% (true vote)
    131.2 million total: Obama 52.9-45.6% (bogus recorded: impossible return voting mix when Final NEP was forced to match that vote-count share, and, therefore, also an impossible, forced-lower 43% vote share for Obama among Whites (as happened with Kerry with Whites in 2004 -- not a 'race thing' at all, just systematic GOP election fraud.)


    What is the MoE for a 10 million sample?

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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. ROFL
So, tiptoe, tell us: what was TIA's Obama-McCain projection before the election?

Just so everyone knows: most people in 2008 voted on paper ballots -- most of which, including TIA's "late" votes, were optically scanned. Nothing makes those "late" votes representative of the national electorate.

Oh, and I'd be interested to hear TIA's explanation of the Pew 2008 pre-election survey results on the proportions of respondents who said they voted for Bush and for Kerry in 2004.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:02 PM
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25. K&R.
:thumbsup:
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:54 PM
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74. back atcha!
:thumbsup:
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:14 PM
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26. k & r n/t
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:44 PM
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30. KNR! n/t
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:48 PM
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32. k&r
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:15 PM
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37. K&R
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pgodbold Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:57 PM
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42. We've been talking about this for 10 years. I'm refusing to stress on this anymore. Fuck it.
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AC_Mem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:03 PM
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43. K&R
Thanks! I'm in Shelby County in Memphis TN - I KNOW we have voter fraud here, and it needs to be exposed. The GOP will do whatever they can to win 2010 and that will include voter fraud.

This election should be watched very carefully.
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:14 PM
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47. This is a danger to our democracy....
I have been saying this kind of thing to my wife for some time. The GOP, republicans, MSM and others have been playing this game of distraction for some time, while, they go about their business to cheat elsewhere.

Until investigations and cooperation happen on election fraud AND immediate changes are made regarding the counts, we are doomed except and only if there are such great numbers in favor of the peoples' choice it overcomes their cheating and fraud, like the last 2 times. Nevada is a distraction, O'Donnell is a distraction. Palin is a distraction; and numbers of others. None of these people are even qualified to clean toilets. :puke:
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Just One Woman Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:24 PM
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49. Loud and Clear
This has been an issue since this nation was founded. That said, we should never stand for it. I take a picture of every ballot I turn in as a vote. Luckily, Tennessee still has paper ballots where I live. But even if we had digital voting, I would find a way to take a picture of that as well.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:33 PM
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51. And let's forget about the pseudo democrats as poll judges...
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:52 PM
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52. K&R.
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:44 PM
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53. You got my rec.
i think voter fraud is one of the biggest threats to our freedom.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:04 PM
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56. K & R
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:19 PM
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59. Each polling place should have electric counters
So we know exactly how many people voted. The results should be able to be seen all day during polling.
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calikid Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:23 PM
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60. k&r n/t
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:27 PM
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62. Time was you could buy a vote
or two from the same citizen for a couple of bucks, a sandwich and a beer. Now you can just steal 'em. :wtf:
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AldebTX Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:40 PM
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63. I Don't Trust
A Machine that does not allow for a physical recount. Electronic totals recounted are meaningless.
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Aristophrenia Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:09 PM
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65. Just to respond to your reasoning :-
Obama has transferred an accountable military presence in Iraq almost entirely to an un-accountable private army - I find that significantly more disturbing than not withdrawing.

Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan to unprecedented levels, again with private military forces, alongside escalated sovereign forces. More over - he has engaged in a war with Pakistan - a nuclear armed state.

Obama has completely foresaken the plight of the worlds most abused people - Palestine in preference for Biden / Clinton political Kow-Towing to AIPAC.

Obama has institionalised U.S. covert assassinations - AGAINST US CITIZENS.

This list - goes on, and on, and on. Lets be very, very clear here - Obama is a centrist - he has always clearly stated this position, with much of the left occupying the where the right vacated, and the right having shifted into the nut house - that is not very positive.

With Bush we knew our enemy, we watched closely, with Obama we blindly follow.

His actions are inexcusable - yes better than Bush, but in no way, no possible light remotely acceptable.

So stick to your point of vigilance at the ballot box and leave the hubris at the door - Obama is marginally better than Bush.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 09:29 PM
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70. he elections in Venezuela are more transparent and verifiable...
...than the elections we have in the USA.

For transparent and verifiable elections, we need:

*Election Day a National Holiday

*Paper Ballots

*Hand Counted in public at the Polling Station

*Internet Video feed of the ballot counting and ballot boxes

*NO ballot boxes moved until official results are verified

*Results posted on the Door

*Independent Exit Polls
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