Biden said we should stop whining because the president kept his promises.

[no limit]

I beg to differ.

On the public option:

Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family.

The exchanges he signed in to law did not have a public option. In fact Obama didn't even bother to call Joe Liebermann and put any pressure on him to support such an option.

On GITMO:

He promised to close it within 1 year: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

On Reimportation of Drugs:

"Allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S."

He made a deal with drug companies to ban reimportation.

On tough rules for lobbyists:

"No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration."

The administration has granted waivers to many lobbyists.

On immigration:

"I cannot guarantee that it is going to be in the first 100 days. But what I can guarantee is that we will have in the first year an immigration bill that I strongly support and that I'm promoting. And I want to move that forward as quickly as possible

And a quick list of other broken promises:

- Warrantless Wiretaps
- Extraordinary Rendition
- Saying his administration will be the most transparent ever
- Authorizing the execution of American citizens without trial
- Maintaining the suspension of habeas corpus
- Using government secrecy arguments to avoid freedom of information requests
- Expended offshore oil drilling just weeks before the BP disaster after promising in his campaign not to

What else am I forgetting?

I also bet he will cave to the republicans on the following promises:

- Tax cuts
- Cap and Trade

Anyone want to take that bet?

Is pointing any of this out whining on my part?

[Lost4words]

1. Joe , go play cards with clinton or something, just go away, go to a funeral

anything, all you do is complain. call your buddies at MBNA

[Lost4words]

2. dupe

[emulatorloo]

3. Politifact has an Obama campaign promise tracking meter. Promises kept 122, Promises Broken 22

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises

Promise Kept 122
Compromise 39
Promise Broken 22
Stalled 82
In the Works 238
Not yet rated 3

[Lost4words]

5. bolderdash

[dionysus]

6. "balderdash", at least spell it right.

[Lost4words]

28. spelling police are so cool, I'll bet you drive 65 in the fast lane no matter what dont you?

hall monitors especially the self appointed kind,.....I bow to your far greater intelligence, forgive me my lord.

[Pisces]

61. Bad spelling is a hallmark trait of the teabaggers. Do you have relations on that

side of the aisle????

[emulatorloo]

10. Sorry they are a credible source.

[Lost4words]

15. was HCR on the list of 122, it shouldn't be, its not a matter of a number count

still drone attacks you like no?

[emulatorloo]

18. I gave you the link.

[Lost4words]

21. not interested,....

[BzaDem]

25. I think that's the POINT. Your last post is a perfect indicator of your credibility on the issue. nt

[dionysus]

26. i know, you're not interested in facts that contradict your camapigning against democrats.

[Renew Deal]

37. Of course not. The screamers never are.

The outrage is always turned on and the thinking is always turned off.

[DevonRex]

17. LOL at bolderdash.

[Lost4words]

24. LOL at DevonRex

[DevonRex]

42. Were you referring to the Bolder Boulder? That's a marathon, not a dash. nt

[dionysus]

27. that's just poppycock and horsefeathers!!!111!! CRUSIE MISSLES!!!!

:rofl:

:hi:

[DevonRex]

43. You ol' curmudgeon, you!!!! Expecting people to spell correctly is just so

well educated of you. :rofl:

:hi:

[KittyWampus]

58. It isn't boulder-dash?

[no limit]

7. What's your point?

[emulatorloo]

13. OP suggests Biden is lying that Obama kept campaign promises

Reliable source indicates something else.

[no limit]

36. I am the OP. He kept some promises (many trivial). Yet he broke many big promises

He broke promises on issues this site used to really be bothered by. Apparently now that a democrat does it it's a okay.

[avaistheone1]

14. Progressive Review has ranked Obama's decisions & has given him a rank of 25%, 25 good decisions

out of 117


Here are just a few of the examples of Obama's poor decisions:

OBAMA ATTACKS CONSTITUTION AGAIN; ATTEMPTS TO STRIP MORE CONGRESSIONAL POWER
OBAMA SEEKING WAYS TO SABOTAGE MIRANDA RULING
OBAMA INFORMATION CZAR WOULD STRIP FIRST AMENDMENT FROM BLOGS
Appoints Elena Kagan to Supreme Court
Medical records act a major threat to privacy
Signed an extension of the Patriot Act
Obama administration says it has right to kill you when you're overseas
Supports warranties tracking of US citizens via cellphone location
Made it much harder to find out if you are the terrorist watch list
Continues illegal border computer searches
Supports the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act.
Supported continued illegal wiretapping on American citizens
Permitting torture and renditions to continue
Opposes legalization of marijuana
Refuses to prosecute CIA torture criminals
Institutes virtual strip searches of air passengers, without regard to either Constitution or to proper scientific testing for dangers.
Support overturn of long-standing law that stops police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present
Claims prisoners have no right to DNA evidence that might prove their innocence.
Supports recording industry's legal war against listeners
Eric Holder says he favors continuation of secret searches of library and bookstore data files


http://prorev.com/obamameter.htm

[Winterblues]

29. If he has done such a wonderful job why are so many on the Left so unhappy with him?

Are you implying they are stupid and don't know what is going on? Maybe Obama and his team just haven't told us all the good things he has done...He is frustrated because he wants so desperately to be middle of the road, yet in trying he is tilting further to the Right than is acceptable from our side of the aisle..The Right got the USA into the mess it is in so why keep trying to please those that screwed us? It seems like he really doesn't care one whit for our input..

[KittyWampus]

59. there aren't that many on the Left unhappy with him. That's the point. Get off DU and out of your

bubble.

"maybe Obama hasn't done a good job telling us what bla bla bla"

So you admit to either being willfully ignorant or unable to really pay attention.

[Winterblues]

63. Then what the Hell are he and Biden complaining about?

I understand there is a huge cheering section for Obama, and it reminds me of the Tea Baggers. They follow slogans and sound bites but know very little about actual legislation or Executive actions..We do know that many of Bush*'s policies that everyone was so damned opposed to are still very much in effect but all of a sudden it isn't Bush* that is controling them so all is OK. I don't buy it. I want Gitmo closed. I want prisoners tried in America and sentenced in America and locked up in America. I don't want our Heritage spoiled by what has been going on and still is going on. I want Habeas Corpus restored. I want the FISA act reinstated. I want our Leaders to not condone torture. I want some things to be sacred.. I don't want our President to say "Everything is Negotiable" I think Democrats should have some core values and stick with them and not just go with whichever way the wind blows. I know there are many that don't care about any of that stuff as long as their side ios doing it. I do...Whether I am on DU or not, I still have some core convictions and would like very much for my President to say the same. He has not.....

[Nevernose]

64. And if there's one thing YOU should have listened to from Internet boards

It's that insulting people who are on your side (politically, if not on this particular topic) is a shitty way of getting people to take your side. That attitude of yours? That's really kind of the whole point of this thread -- and why so many people in real life are dissappointed with the administration right now.

Maybe you're just lucky enough to not be under the gun daily: you're not a teacher, or a union member, or a civil libertarian, or anti-war, or maybe you're in favor of the 1990s Republican health care law so recently passed, or a fan of letting Goldman Sachs run the treasury, or of letting BP and George Bush off the hook.

[laughingliberal]

39. Some issues have a more direct impact on people's lives than others.

A generic list of numbers does not tell the story, entirely. Here are 3 promises which would have directly impacted me:

Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 15:
Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners

Politifact lists this as 'Compromise.' I believe it is well known that few homeowners got any help at all and Geithner recently admitted the foreclosure programs were directed more at helping the lenders than the homeowners.

No. 25: Establish a small business initiative for rural America
"Will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by establishing a small business and micro-enterprise initiative for rural America. The program will provide training and technical assistance for rural small business, and provide a 20 percent tax credit on up to $50,000 of investment in small owner-operated businesses. This initiative will put the full support of the nation's economic policies behind rural entrepreneurship.">>More

Here's what Politifact says about this:

So, it seems Obama has been pecking away at the issue of boosting small, rural businesses, but not through the microlending program he described on the campaign trail. We plan to keep our eye on this one, but for now we'll call it a Compromise.

As a rural American whose county is showing 18% unemployment, this was important to us. Politifact goes with compromise here as they are counting initiatives for small business as part of this but rural America has not really seen the kind of targeted help the promise indicated.

No. 508: Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009

Politifact lists this as Promise Broken. I am one of millions who had to withdraw our retirement accounts to survive in 2008. Failing to make good on this one directly impacted me and many who have been hurt badly in this economy. This promise was opposed by the banking industry and Wall Street.


I also notice Politifact lists 'Creates New Financial Regulations' as 'Promise Kept.' Here's the Promise:

No. 422: Create new financial regulations
"I'll put in place the common-sense regulations and rules of the road I've been calling for since March -- rules that will keep our market free, fair, and honest; rules that will restore accountability and responsibility in our corporate boardrooms.">>

I believe many economists and citizens believe the reform bill we passed fails to accomplish the fair, honest, and accountable part of the promise.

Politifact does not always tell the whole story.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. And of course, all promises are equal and should be given equal weight.

The way that is set up, he "promised" exchanges, he "promised" a public option - so that's a check for each column.

But the promise was "exchanges with a public option" - so he can't claim that as a fulfilled promise.

All the way down the line, we see the promise 'kept' as a part of a larger promise broken.

It is a fundamentally dishonest assessment.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

57. 85% isn't bad at all

IMHO Presidential candidates, hell, basically any candidates for public office, should really refrain from "making promises" (or at least a lot of them) because, unless it is something that they can legally do unilaterally, there is absolutely no way to ensure that they're going to be able to keep any and every promise they make during a campaign. It's.just.not.gonna.happen. However, for me, I'm pretty darn satisfied with 85% (with more likely on the way).

[Fresh_Start]

62. Thank you. I like your link nt

nt

[OHdem10]

4. He is going to be known as the Republican Appeaser when it

is the Centrist and Blue Dogs who are the real culprits.

They have ruined the HCR (no PO). They are holding up any
vote on taxes. Reid said as much.

However the President will get the blame.

[t0dd]

8. How is just the blue dogs that are responsible for no PO?

It is well known Obama made a deal with the for-profit hospital lobby early on to scrap the public option:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.htm

And if you think this is a hoax, do you ever, ever recall him fighting for a PO at all? "Whether we get it or not..."

[OHdem10]

22. Blue Dogs never wanted HCR. They wanted Deficit Reduction

Right now, the WH wanted the tax bill passed with Middle
Class Tax cuts in tact and the Taxcuts for Wealthiest top
2 groups ended. The Blue Doga and Centrist want the Wealthiest
to get the tax cut. These are their constituents or at least
their consituents they care most about.

[no limit]

9. Well when he drops tax cuts for the middle class because of the blue dogs he should get the blame

If the blue dogs get in your way when it comes to everything you do stop fucking supporting them. Or for the love of God atleast apply a little bit of pressure.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Obama says your whining is inexcusable.

I agree.

[Lost4words]

16. I think both of you are working against your own best interests!

have at it!

[muffin1]

35. +1 n/t

[justiceischeap]

12. What you missed

Repealing DADT, putting an end to DOMA... Those are pretty big promises that he seems to not be willing to keep.

He could have issued an Executive Order on DADT and by the time a new administration got into office, it would have been a done deal and all the homophobes would see after 4/8 years that gays in the military aren't going to kill the military. I understand the whole, wanting to do it through Congress and such but that's an easy way of neglecting a promise.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. But..but..he did keep his promise about escalating a lost war in Afghanistan.

Which we should be ever so grateful for and happily support with more money and troops.

[laughingliberal]

20. K & R nt

[jaxx]

23. Obama Accomplishments:

- Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act improving women's right to sue employers for pay discrimination
- Signed order giving benefits to government-employed same sex partners
- Signed law meant to improve the ability of women who allege pay discrimination to sue their employer.
- Signed Matthew Shepard Act, a hate crime bill
- Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
- Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
- Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
- Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
- Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
- Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending
adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
- The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
- Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
- Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
- Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
- Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
- Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in
Iraq/Afghanistan
- Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
- Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
- New federal funding for science and research labs
- States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
- Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
- Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
- New funds for school construction
- The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
- Saved GM -- now reporting profits for first time in years
- Passed the largest economic stimulus plan in U.S. history
- The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
- Passed financial reform bill
- The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
- Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
- Better body armor is now being provided to our troop
- The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
- Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols -- signed deal with Russia.
- Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
- Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
- Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
- Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
- US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
- Tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
- Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
- Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
- Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
- Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
- Lifted travel restricted on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
- Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
- Expanding vaccination programs
- Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
- Closed offshore tax safe havens
- Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
- Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
- Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
- Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
- Lower drug costs for seniors
- Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
- Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
- Improved housing for military personnel
- Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
- Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
- Increased student loans
- Increased opportunities in AmeriCorps program
- Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
- Established a new cyber security office
- Beginning process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
- End previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
- Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
- Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
- Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
- Improved benefits for veterans
- Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
- Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
- Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
- Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
- Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
- Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
- Made more loans available to small businesses
- Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
- Appointment of two women to U.S. Supreme Court -- one being the first Latina
- Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
- Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
- Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan'
- Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
- New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
- Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
- Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
- Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
- Held first Seder in White House
- Deported nearly 400,000 illegals with criminal past
- Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
- Has announced his intention to push for education reform
- Banned offshore drilling until parameters for deep well safety procedures are clarified.
- Put a hold on Artic oil exploratory digging until environmental impacts are clear.
- Signed Unemployment Extensions
- Signed the Financial Reform bill
- Puts Elizabeth Warren in charge of Consumer Bureau
- Signed Small Business bill

I added the last 4 since someone posted this awhile back. I probably missed something. It has been a very busy and productive and progressive 22 months.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. But, but, but... he didn't do this or that within 2 years, so I'm going to compare

him to Bush and point the finger at him...

:sarcasm::sarcasm:

[jaxx]

34. ;-)

I noticed that along the way.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. Could you make that circle D bigger?

You haven't pissed off enough liberals yet.

[jaxx]

44. I took it like it was on the page.....big.

I'm a liberal and it doesn't piss me off one bit.

Think of it as Democratic Unity.

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. Funny, looks like a big fucking blue target to me.

If you haven't noticed, it has NOTHING to do with unity. It has everything to do with re-branding, which is the typical corporate response to failed policies.

[jaxx]

47. Nah, targets are red.

[Lost4words]

49. democrats knocking liberals, now thats is something,

:crazy:

[golddigger]

31. The only ones I see whining lately is the President and his staff.

:cry:

[phleshdef]

32. He/she says as they whine about the President and his staff.

[Lost4words]

33. thank goodness you didn't misspell anything, K & R

[dionysus]

38. it's not my fault you try to use words you can't spell.

:shrug:

[no limit]

45. Ahh, dionysus. The resident DU nit picker. Cant argue the point so argue the spelling.

[Lost4words]

50. its marketing, if you cant chance the product, change the package

and the lemmings eat it right up.

[Lost4words]

48. If I knew I couldnt spell it to your liking I wouldnt have tried

its called an error, I am fine with that, you WILL let me know when my punishment is over and I may rejoin the human race.

is this really the most important thing you have to worry about today? must be nice to be you

:puke:

[Obamanaut]

52. What is "camapigning"? (from post 26)

dionysus (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-28-10 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. i know, you're not interested in facts that contradict your camapigning against democrats.

[no limit]

53. ahahahaahha! Missed that

[dionysus]

56. a typo is different from not knowing how to spell.

;)

[Obamanaut]

65. Spellcheck is your friend, especially when pointing out errors others

make. Spellcheck will even catch many of the "typos", which look a lot like words that are incorrectly spelled.

[treestar]

55. This one just does not cut it

Especially from a group that so often demands that President "lead." He's telling you what he needs you to do - quit whining and work on electing Democrats. He has done a lot, so it's whining to pick out the bells and whistles not accomplished and use that to be discouraged.

[Vinca]

51. I've always liked Joe Biden and often defended his loose lips and

socially questionable remarks, but when I heard him calling us "whiners," that was it. Why the administration feels the need to throw Democrats standing for Democratic principles under the bus, is a real mystery, but it sure as hell isn't working as a motivator to get out the vote.

[treestar]

54. Well yes, it is certainly taking the most negative view possible

If the President vetoed the current bill due to no public option, what would you be saying?

He's doing all he can with Gitmo.

And he had no idea Congress would be so obstructionist and that the Rethugs would be even more unreasonable. He says that in the interview.

He needs support, not this nitpicking, as if he were a dictator who could have done it all by the signing of a proclamation. A Presidential Candidate can only promise to try and advocate - he can't guarantee a result.

[no limit]

60. Why did the president make that promise if he didn't plan to veto a health bill without a PO?

Is he really doing all he can with Gitmo? When was the last time you heard him say anything about the issue?

Why did you ignore everything I said about rendition, spying, tax cuts, and all the other things you were pissed at when Bush was doing it?