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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:51 AM
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Law Professor's Blog Post Sparks Controversy Over Why The Rich Don't Feel 'Rich'
Law Professor's Blog Post Sparks Controversy Over Why The Rich Don't Feel 'Rich'

Huffington Post | William Alden First Posted: 09-21-10 09:14 AM | Updated: 09-21-10 10:05 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/21/todd-henderson-rich_n_732813.html

Law professor Todd Henderson's now-infamous blog entry about the mindset of the rich has incited such an uproar that he felt he needed to delete it.

An "electronic lynch mob," he wrote yesterday, "caused untold damage to me personally." But despite the apparent hate-mail, the original post, which University of California, Berkeley, economics professor Bradford DeLong re-posted for the sake of the "conversation," has also inspired a legitimate debate about an idea that typically makes people either furious or embarrassed. In short, the rich don't feel "rich."

In response to Obama's proposed tax hike for people making more than $250,000 a year, Henderson writes, ironically, "that makes me super rich." He goes on, for nine paragraphs, to explain why he actually isn't rich, finally extending an invitation to Obama to "judge for himself whether the Hendersons are as rich as he thinks."

The responses, some of which DeLong has posted on his blog, are largely aggressive. Law professor Michael O'Hare mockingly compares Henderson to someone in "scuffed Gucci loafers and tattered Armani," living in a "million-dollar hovel." But others are more thoughtful.

After first refraining from comment, DeLong made the point that those who are indeed rich don't feel that way. Here's Delong

Instead, Mr. Xxxx Xxxxxxxxx looks up. Of the 100 people richer than he is, fully ten have more than four times his income. And he knows of one person with 20 times his income. He knows who the really rich are, and they have ten times his income: They have not $450,000 a year. They have $4.5 million a year. And, to him, they are in a different world.

And so he is sad. He and his wife deserve to be successful. And he knows people who are successful. But he is not one of them--widening income inequality over the past generation has excluded him from the rich who truly have money.

And this makes him sad. And angry. But, curiously enough, not angry at the senior law firm partners who extract surplus value from their associates and their clients, or angry at the financiers, but angry at... Barack Obama, who dares to suggest that the U.S. government's funding gap should be closed partly by taxing him, and angry at the great hordes of the unwashed who will receive the Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security payments that the government will make over the next several generations.


Law professor Todd Henderson's now-infamous blog entry about the mindset of the rich has incited such an uproar that he felt he needed to delete it.

An "electronic lynch mob," he wrote yesterday, "caused untold damage to me personally." But despite the apparent hate-mail, the original post, which University of California, Berkeley, economics professor Bradford DeLong re-posted for the sake of the "conversation," has also inspired a legitimate debate about an idea that typically makes people either furious or embarrassed. In short, the rich don't feel "rich."

In response to Obama's proposed tax hike for people making more than $250,000 a year, Henderson writes, ironically, "that makes me super rich." He goes on, for nine paragraphs, to explain why he actually isn't rich, finally extending an invitation to Obama to "judge for himself whether the Hendersons are as rich as he thinks."

The responses, some of which DeLong has posted on his blog, are largely aggressive. Law professor Michael O'Hare mockingly compares Henderson to someone in "scuffed Gucci loafers and tattered Armani," living in a "million-dollar hovel." But others are more thoughtful.

After first refraining from comment, DeLong made the point that those who are indeed rich don't feel that way. Here's Delong

Instead, Mr. Xxxx Xxxxxxxxx looks up. Of the 100 people richer than he is, fully ten have more than four times his income. And he knows of one person with 20 times his income. He knows who the really rich are, and they have ten times his income: They have not $450,000 a year. They have $4.5 million a year. And, to him, they are in a different world.


And so he is sad. He and his wife deserve to be successful. And he knows people who are successful. But he is not one of them--widening income inequality over the past generation has excluded him from the rich who truly have money.

And this makes him sad. And angry. But, curiously enough, not angry at the senior law firm partners who extract surplus value from their associates and their clients, or angry at the financiers, but angry at... Barack Obama, who dares to suggest that the U.S. government's funding gap should be closed partly by taxing him, and angry at the great hordes of the unwashed who will receive the Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security payments that the government will make over the next several generations.

Felix Salmon concurs, adding some gentlemanly defense of Henderson:

There's no doubt that people earning $250,000 or more are rich. The simple ability to dismiss a whole class of expenses as "only a few hundred dollars per month in total" makes you rich.

But by the same token, many rich people don't feel rich, and so describing them that way gets their backs up. And in fact it's good that the rich don't feel rich: it means they have more incentive to keep on earning and producing and adding value.

So maybe we shouldn't be so rude about the likes of Todd Henderson: without rich people constantly striving for extra dollars, America would be in an even worse position than it is. But equally, we shouldn't take their pleas seriously.


And Paul Krugman points to the culture that has produced Henderson's attitude, which seems to be largely shared by Ben Stein:

But 30 years ago people with high but not super-high incomes generally felt ashamed of themselves for griping -- or at least, felt that they would be ridiculed if they gave voice to their gripes. Today, all restraints are off. The fuss over Messrs. Henderson and Stein is the exception that proves the rule: they wouldn't be providing this spectacle if they didn't normally swim in social circles where complaining that you only have 9 or 10 times median family income is considered totally acceptable.


Pretty soon, we'll be having serious, completely un-self-conscious discussions in major magazines about the servant problem.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:55 AM
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1. it is not enought to be rich . . . . one must be the richest
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:08 AM
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6. "I Want To Be King Of The Popes"...
...famous SCTV sketch with Dave Thomas as Richard Harris. He plays the king, John Candy plays the pope. Thomas has power as the king. As Candy wishes he had the power of the king, Thomas exclaims "I want to be both king AND pope...I WANT TO BE KING OF THE POPES!"

Same thing going on here, as far as I can see. It's all about looking up and seeing no one.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:17 AM
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9. it is sad that our greed has reached this level . . . . but it undoubtedy has
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:58 AM
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2. In global terms, most of us are vastly, tremendously rich.
But we don't feel rich because everyone around us has pretty much the same lifestyle and resources as we do, so it feels "ordinary" to us. We are "normal," and then we compare ourselves to those who have tremendously more. But *those* people also are surrounded by others who have pretty much what they have, so that too feels "normal" to them, nothing out of the ordinary or special. If one of us made the jump into their world, it would feel extraordinary at first ... but I bet it wouldn't take long for it to feel "normal" again. And then we'd start looking around and realizing we have many of the same old problems we had before, just perhaps on a different scale. And the truly rich shouldn't have problems, therefore we don't feel "rich".
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:14 AM
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8. My wifes a social worker
She had a job for a while that involved (amongst other things) getting people on a sustainable economic foundation. Now, she's a social worker, not a finaical specialist. None the less, getting into the details of peoples personal finances was eye opening. We're talking the other end of the spectrum here. But you had people who were forever in serious trouble of evictions and bankruptcy, and the had more than enoug income to avoid it. They just spent seriously badly.

So when I hear about almost anyone of "means" complain about how hard it is to "get by" in todays world, I just have to laugh. The excess that's buried in virtually every purchase is huge. When they get the Acura, instead of the Honda, the specialty wine, instead of the grocery store wine, the 56" TV instead of the 29", when they replace the refridgerator that's "old" because they want a different color scheme in the kitchen, when they fly instead of driving, each one of these is a tangible "excess" that runs up their cost of living. And they have no idea of what people truly living on the "economic edge" have to go through. And they won't know until their kid is sick and they wonder if they can afford to take them to the doctor. Or they lose a job because their car broke down too often. Or their hungry, not because they are working on their diet, but because they have no food. And they also are clueless about how many people live that way, every day.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:58 AM
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3. Is this the human story: "Too much is seldom enough" ? nt
It just means that money doesn't satisfy. We all know this, or at least have heard it.
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:01 AM
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4. There was a response posted yesterday that I forgot to bookmark
But basically it shredded Henderson's arguments, which boil down to "once I put a few thousand in my retirement account, pay the private school tuition, and spend a few more thousand maintaining my expensive cars, there's almost nothing left to enjoy."
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:10 AM
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7. I have a client who owns a very successful restaurant...
...he is constantly crying about the economy. He also makes some kind of sarcastic comment every time he writes a check for the work I do.

He just purchased a new Lincoln SUV, and this week is on his fifth two-week vacation to Maui this year.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:32 AM
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11. Next time he starts whining, simply state "Freedom is Free"
That'll shut his ass up.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:44 AM
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12. Of course!
The rich are so tight they squeak! As a waitress, we always knew the lawyers and doctors were the worst tippers!
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:06 AM
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5. perspective is fascinating
I get by on around 10k a year. I think of having THREE TIMES THAT and the mind boggles. I could afford a car made in the 90's! With seatbelts and everything! For me, being rich would mean being able to have HBO, or clothing that doesn't come from an outlet store.

And then I hear people weeping over making only 240,000 instead of 250,000. Now, I don't have children, so I understand that there are extra costs, etc. But yeesh.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:27 AM
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10. The professor sure has a flair for the dramatic, doesn't he? Lynch mob.
Right....the response he's gotten is the electronic equivalent of a lynch mob. WTF?

He obviously loves his victimhood. Call the wahmbulance....
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:47 AM
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13. He's not as rich as the really REALLY rich...
so that doesn't make him rich. Is that it?

Let me tell you, $250,000 a year is rich in most places in the US. If you are making that kind of money and don't feel rich, move someplace else.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:52 AM
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14. He and his wife earn more than $250,000
According to his professed tax bill (about $100,000) and other evidence, they probably earn in the neighborhood of $450,000 to $500,000.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:56 AM
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15. Well bless his neuveax-riche little heart.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:58 AM
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17. $250,000 in taxable income would be rich in any place in the U.S.
Including Manhattan and San Francisco.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:23 AM
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19. That's what I thought.
but they keep whining that they're not REALLY rich compared to the others in the same city ("our money doesn't go that far!").

Oh please.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:57 AM
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16. I think this says something very basic about human psychology.
Apparently even the Koch brothers don't feel that they have enough. Why else do they spend money trying to influence policy so as to increase their personal wealth even more?

I guess that, from a psychological perspective at least, it's understandable (if not acceptable) that Henderson feels the way he does.

What about the people making a tenth of his income who spend time fighting to lower his taxes? I suppose there's also some psychological explanation for that, and I suspect that there are forces who understand that psychology and are manipulating it expertly.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:10 AM
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18. There is a certain sector of the uber wealthy population that
never got any parental care or any proper adult interaction as a child. They lack that sense of fulfillment that is provided by a caring parent.

So these types search for something that will give them a sense of satisfaction or sense of being that they lacked growing up.

They get their sense of personal identification through money and power.

Like any drug, money can provide that high. Couple that with power and it becomes very addictive. But alas, like most drug addicts, they are in constant search for that feeling they got from the original high.

So like a heroin addict, they need more and more to feel that sense of euphoria.

Yet, when polled, many of these wealthy people, have very low self esteem, don't feel loved and have no sense of personal well being.

aka They really aren't happy.

Should we feel sorry for them? Not me. They are still adults. Any normal adult learns from their experiences and mistakes. Or if we don't, usually, we seek out help.

They, on the other hand, choose to continue their greedy ways as an outlet for their personal short comings.

I don't feel sorry for them in the least, I pity them for their lack of insight.

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