Apparently, the harassment of Ines Sainz involved sexually suggestive comments

[TonyMontana]

And a "coach purposefully threw balls near" the reporter.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-13/jets-probed-on-possible-harassment-of-tv-reporter-new-york-times-says.html

Also, here's something that says she herself didn't feel like she was ever attacked.

http://www.sportsnewscaster.com/ines-sainz-reported-released-harassment-controversy-at-new-york-jets-locker-room/2823/

In my opinion, I never felt I was attacked. I went to the locker room and started to talk about commentary and sports. Another reporter approached me to say he was sorry these things were happening…and that evidently people were making fun of me,”, Ines said in an interview.

This really is much ado about nothing on all fronts. She's a sexy woman and they're a bunch of jocks.

[dsc]

1. they are a bunch of professional jocks

Maybe the excuse they are a bunch of jocks is OK for high school but not for well paid adults.

[pipi_k]

2. I agree, but also want to add...

Anyone who has a job to do should dress the part.

You want to look like a respected reporter/journalist? Dress conservatively...not like you're going out clubbing 5 minutes after you leave the stadium.

IOW, present yourself in a light that you want others to see you in.


That goes for both sexes.

[COLGATE4]

3. I agree. It's hard to believe that Ms. Sainz didn't dress to

provoke a reaction.

[TheWraith]

9. Of course she did.

And either she was fully aware of what she was doing, or she's as IQ-free as most of the players she covers.

[LostinVA]

11. These type of comments have no place on DU

That was a legit defense until not too long ago for why a rape wasn't really a rape, you know. Or why sex workers can't really be raped.

[dsc]

4. true her dress was hardly appropriate for being a serious journalist

[Waltons_Mtn]

5. I agree.

the outfit in the picture makes her look more like a Hooters girl.

[DailyGrind51]

19. Exactly! If you want to be treated as a professional, dress like one!

[LostinVA]

30. Does that count for guys in towels and cheerleaders in "slutty" outfits, too?

[blondeatlast]

25. How is she not dressed professionally? nt

[blondeatlast]

26. Edit: dupe. nt

[seabeyond]

6. she is from a station that plays for sexy. she is from a culture that does not recognize sexual

harassment.

she is in a locker room of professionals. we do recognize sexual harassment in this country. the team was making sexually harassing comments. and though she does not recognize it does not mean it does not exist. the MALE ( i assume) reporter was clever enough to recognize it. good for him. and for being stand up.

it was important for the higher ups to recognize it and rein it in. they are not allowed to sexually harass female reporters

it was a to do over something.

[LostinVA]

14. Thank you thank you thank you!

:pals:

I could not have put it better myself.

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. Those pants are a sexually suggestive statement.

She's getting exactly the kind of attention she seeks.

[Odin2005]

8. Victim-blame FAIL!

:puke:

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. If she considers herself a victim, perhaps she could say as much. n/t

[seabeyond]

42. the hostile work environment was not just directed to her. due to the crudeness, vulgarity of it

it creates a hostile work environment for ALL the women doing their job.... professionally.

she really ahs nothing to do with it, but helping to create it for everyone else.

[HipChick]

16. +100

[LostinVA]

10. Cue posts saying she deserved the treatment because she dresses like a slut

And, boys will be boys, etc.

That other thread appalled me.

And, Ines' perception that this was how she was supposed to be treated is very sad to me, and speaks alot of what is the norm in her work environment.

[JI7]

15. fromw hat i read she doesn't work for a serious news station

that's why she may not have felt offended.

but that's why the ones reporting from real news stations were offended. i am actually glad to see this was the case since it suggests it's not the norm . hopefully.

[Iris]

24. which is even more reason why this isn't innocuous

Even if she's from a shoddy organization, these actions make things more difficult for reporters from legitimate stations.

[JI7]

28. That's what i was thinking of, imagine the other women who are there for real reporting

and they see that shit going on. it just seems inappropriate to behave that way in that environment.

[Iris]

29. and it's even more telling that another reporter, who happened to be male, was uncomfortable enough

to apologize to her.

[LostinVA]

33. I found that very telling

A male sports reporter being uncomfortable at her treatment, which shows me it must have been pretty bad. We know about that and that other female reporters were made to feel uncomfortable.

Posters have to remember that sexual harassment isn't just against the person targeted, it is also against anyone who is made to feel uncomfortable by it.

[LostinVA]

32. Exactly, it is a place of business

As much as some posters want to say it isn't. Inappropriate behavior.

Honest question: is it okay for the players to treat the cheerleader/dance "team" like this? I mean, look at how THEY dress and act? Shaking their T & A all over the place and dressing provocatively?

[Hannah Bell]

36. put the two together & what you get is undermining the definition of sexual harrassment

but folks like ines won't pay the price.

she's doing it on purpose & she's a winger.

[grantcart]

12. "much ado about nothing" so you start post about "nothing"

[Iris]

13. Just because she was clueless, doesn't make it "nothing"

[LostinVA]

17. Exactly

It just shows how the norm is in her own work environment, which is really sad.

[seabeyond]

18. i have a little issue here.

she may be clueless what sexual harassment is.... but she isnt clueless in playing the game that leads to sexual harassment. as far as that goes, the men that play the game are as clueless as she is. so the sympathy would have to be as much for the men. in an environment where T&A is what it is about, this is what you get.

the sad part... looking at pictures over time, is the men are literally laughing at her, she looks so absurdly out of place dressed as she does. and the comments being made are anything but respectful. though they may enjoy the play, outfits, ect.... they literally are laughing at her.

and that is what she does not get

and to me, that is what is sad.

[JI7]

20. but she is from a station that is more comedy than serious news reporting

so she is in on the joke ?

[seabeyond]

22. of course. that is what pisses me off....

in this country we take it seriously, it is not a game, and we had to stand up for her, when it was their game.

[TonyMontana]

21. Is it harassment if the woman says it's not?

Following your line of reasoning, consensual sex can be rape.

She didn't have a problem with the comments, ergo, she was not harassed.

[seabeyond]

23. wrong, on all counts. nt

[Iris]

27. I think that's where the "hostile work environment" idea comes in.

Because that sort of behavior in a workplace makes things difficult for all employees. And there are always cases of women who will say something is not harassment b/c they are embarrassed or they don't want to lose their jobs.

[seabeyond]

31. or they enjoy it and play it.....

unfortunately, it is a reality.

but you are right. there are those that would never speak out because of fear of loss of job, or embarrassed

[LostinVA]

35. Yes, it is also harassment if a coworker is bothered by it

Hostile work environment.

You also cannot treat vendors or sales reps in that manner, either, which is what the reporters are.

[LostinVA]

34. Of course it is

I sincerely hope you are never, ever in a supervisory position at work. That isn't snark. I'm serious.


And, your raoe strawman was disgusting. Thanks for confirming your agenda of posting this OP.

[Hannah Bell]

37. she's not clueless. she knows exactly what she's doing & the effect of dressing

in provocative clothes (& yeah, glued-on clothes = provocative) while saying she doesn't recognize or care about sexual harrassment is to undermine that category.

she doesn't care because she's well-off & sex is her schtick: her position & connections protect her from the ill-effects of her actions.

she's a winger.

[JI7]

38. then she doesn't belong there where people are reporting on the sport

[seabeyond]

40. that is what i think. i think the station has lost the right to be a part of professional reporters

cause when this is the play of the station and the employees, and the players know this is how they play (the marriage proposal and jumping in arms, measuring muscles, flirting).... then to point the finger at men is not right either, though we have to.

[seabeyond]

39. you are exactly right on hannah bell. she makes it that much tougher for everyone else

and we know it. and we still have to stand up for her.

[lunamagica]

43. Actually, there ARE sexual harassment laws in "that culture" Sainz isn't

naive; she knows exactly what she's doing

Does anyone really think she's dressing for comfort, or innocently dressing for work?

She has a history of inappropriate behavior. For example she once made up a "contest" to see which player was the strongest, and she -being the "judge"- went around squeezing players biceps to declare a winner; on another occasion she asked players to carry her around the field.

This woman is completely unprofessional. To call her a victim is a disservice to all real victims.

I don't know why is so hard to believe that yes, some dress provocatively because they want to provoke

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. +1