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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:25 PM
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CNN shows SNUFF video ! Fuck you Wolfe, FUCK YOU CNN!!
I am freaking sick...The bastards just showed WAY to graffic videos of a pretty young Iraqi girl being stoned to death. The bastards even showed a melon size rock hitting her face & it exploding in blood. She struggles to get up to no avail....

I know the horrors of this situation can't be totally hidden but for fucks sake man! This is a SNUFF video!. I can't imagine how many kids have seen this. Fucking Janet Jacksons puny breast is an outrage & they show us this.

I think they are trying to enrage us against "the enemy"...Hence this shit is justified.

Not in a civil society but I guess that friggin boat has sailed.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:26 PM
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1. And when they don't show such things
people complain that they're hiding the news from us.

I didn't see it, but I presume it was aired with a warning that the content was graphic.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:26 PM
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2. they actually showed the woman being killed?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:28 PM
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3. Catapulting the propaganda
Was she Iraqi or Kurdish? Either way it's a preview of what B*** wants the country to think, the MSM has become Pravda.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:30 PM
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4. Exactly..."Look at this you loyal Murrkans, see what kind of animals we're dealing with"...
..."let's just nuke 'em and have a cook-out"

YEE-HAW!!!!

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:37 PM
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11.  Iraqi or Kurdish?
Aren't the Kurds considered to also be Iraqis? Kurds are Sunnis and Shiites. I may be incorrect but didn't this take place in Kurdish territory? Aren't the Kurds the most prominent US Allies?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:46 PM
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21. Kurdish. video is on CNN homepage, watched first 15 sec.
It has a "beware graphic" thing before showing video. I watched it through where they say Kurdish
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:52 PM
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27. It's the girl that the first reports came out
about 2 weeks ago?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:50 PM
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24. She was a Kurdish Yazidi,
which is a pre-Islamic religion in the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi#Purity_and_taboos
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:16 PM
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50. Actually ALL of this should be MANDATORY
Viewing for EVERY "adult" American, this shows what WE have done and continuing to do to these people.
The news media needs to show what this bullshit occupation for OIL has caused.
They need to show everything not just their cherry picked crap trying to pass the buck and pretend this is why we are still there.

Bush's Veitnam

The Truth about the Troops

Depleted Uranium

Media & Propaganda

Shocking and Awful: Globalization at Gunpoint

Shocking and Awful: Empire and Oil

Shocking and Awful: Erasing Memory: The Cultural Destruction of Iraq

Voices of Patriots: Why are we in Iraq?

Inquest Iraq: Iraqi Veteran Testimony

Inquest Iraq: Iraqi Veteran Testimony

Inquest Iraq: Iraqi Witness Testimony

Inquest Iraq: Iraqi Witness Testimony

There is "some" actual journalism being done but it is few and far between and absolutely ZERO of it is coming from American Mainstream Media.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:12 PM
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61. speaking of Vietnam and actual journalism
My Lai

That was actual journalism.

Too little, too late as it was, at least it was.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:54 PM
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29. The Kurds won't agree to the oil deal
expect more of this kind of stuff soon.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:24 PM
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Do you doubt that this shit happens?
This happens every day over there. They're called honor killings. You're completely deluded if you honestly think this isn't how the muslim world treats their women.
We knew a girl who was over in Saudi Arabia on business with her husband. Apparently they had a car accident, and she broke her leg and a few teeth broke off. She was sent to the women's hospital, he to the men's. Apparently they do not have anesthesia in the women's hospital, however they do in the men's.
This is the same thing. They will set women on fire if they find out that they've been raped or even if she doesn't have a hymen, which happens to go away naturally in some girls. MAybe you should read a little bit, and not take EVERYTHING that people you don't agree with say, and do some research of your own. It's not a nice place for women, whether you want to believe this or not.
Duckie
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:42 PM
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54. Forget it. Nobody here cares about how women are actually
treated over there. Every report on how females are brutalized in Arabic countries is just another example of Anti-Muslim Propaganda put out by Western Pro-War Media outlets trying to get us into another war with Iran. :sarcasm:

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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:20 PM
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56. Hell, a good portion of them don't care about how women
HERE are treated.
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HardRocker05 Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:56 PM
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90. sadly true; it's just a rationalization to support the blind hate. i *wish* they cared about women
both here and over there, but we all know that they don't.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 08:17 PM
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55. Where did I say this incident did not happen
It did, what I said was it was being over publicized. There have been threads on this incident on DU for 2 weeks, the video has been on youtube for almost that long. The girl was not Islamic she was a Yadizi, a Kurdish tribe that has their own religion that is biblically based but is not Islam. BTW a paternal uncle worked for Mobil oil in the '60s and '70's, their family lived in Jeddah for years, I have heard alot of stories about the treatment of women and various forms of criminal punishment, never have I heard that womens hospitals do not use anesthesia or the burning of women alive.
Doing some catapulting of your own perhaps?
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:01 PM
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57. My response was to you calling it propaganda.
When I hear that word, I think that the person using it thinks that what they are talking about is crap.
I did no catapulting. These are first hand accounts of things that have happened in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran. Heard about them first hand, on Discovery Times, and general news stories. Maybe I just hear what I want to? :eyes:
Duckie
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:12 PM
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60. When a story gets the kind of play this one has
it becomes propaganda, the impression is supposed to be that this happens everyday thing, not a tragic extraordinary happening. Now I do not know what has been on Discovery Times but I have never heard about about some of the things you describe from either family or Muslim friends.
Keep in mind that the Kurds will not sign the oil deal and that things between American soldiers and Kurds are tense and have almost come to a shooting war on at least one occasion.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:05 AM
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71. the whole "muslim world treats their women" like this?
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:31 PM
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5. The FCC has no ground rules for violence on TV. Only poopy words and boobies.
isn't that interesting?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:42 PM
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18. furthermore
the FCC has no jurisdiction over cable networks like CNN.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:31 PM
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6. Agreed. In Fact, I Just Got Chills Even Reading This. How Friggin Brutal Some People Are.
My god.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:33 PM
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7. Why? It's old news.
Hate mongering pure and simple. Trying to obviate their own guilt in promoting this DAMNED Occupation.

That girl quite likely would not have died if we hadn't invaded.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:02 PM
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32. Maybe
maybe not. It was a cultural thing. She was a Yazidi dating a Muslim boy, which is taboo in their culture.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:34 PM
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8. Sick.
I didn't see this anywhere. Surely someone will have the nerve to post it on YouTube.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:34 PM
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9. Contrast that with CNN didn't show flag-draped coffins or military funerals
for US Servicepeople killed in Iraq.

Yes, broadcasting that stoning is agitprop of the most sordid kind: real-kill splatter film. "Faces of Death" stuff. Guaranteed to rile up the proles, and get them ready for some hideous act of state-sponsored over-kill.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:02 PM
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92. propoganda by omission and commission -- CNN goes both ways
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:35 PM
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10. Awful--I can't watch stuff like that. Some things are just too graphic--
I don't tune in to the news to see "Faces of Death."
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ComandanteChe Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:43 PM
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20. Pravda and CNN are synonymous and have been for a while....

Remember on 9/11, when they showed Palestinian children smiling and dancing in the street, with the inference made that they were cheering the tragic events of the Twin Towers? Well, turns out it was archived film footage of months before, when adults were throwing candy to the kids.

Catapulting the Propaganda indeed. Here is your enemy, and you will hate him. The enemy is evil, an animal, and you will destroy him.

Pure Goebbelian manipulation of emotions.

Though the stoning video is about two weeks old now. Why would they show it now?

It is horrible to watch and know that cultures still do this. Look at us, we still put people to death. We imprison for years for minor drug possession.

Screw CNN. The Canaan News Network strikes again.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:21 PM
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51. Agree about CNN = Pravda but regarding the 9/11 comment:
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ComandanteChe Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:32 PM
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53. And you trust the corporatist media why?

Because they try to cover their ass after being called on the propaganda they displayed minutes after 9/11? I remember vividly, minutes after the planes struck, CNN parading this crap. Just like every talking head with pro-Israel views expressing the opinion that now Israel and the US were fighting the same enemy. All of them, of course, lined up to speak on CNN. The propaganda was created to fuse the Israeli struggle with the new American one. If Palestinians were celebrating our terror, then surely they were the enemy. Once you decipher the manipulation, it becomes a piece of cake to see it.
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:37 PM
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12. As long as nobody said "fuck", right? n/t
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:38 PM
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13. What a horrible crime
Just dreadful. I do not/will not pay for satellite or cable tv.

Reading about this tragedy was more than enough for me.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:39 PM
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14. Now if there was a bare breast involved
they would not of shown it... Isn't that so weird... They will show death but not beauty...
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:40 PM
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15. i don't think stoning was very prevalent before the occupation.
but since we've turned iraq into a islamic theocracy w/ our occupation one of the most advanced arab countries in the
MEis reverting to a very primitive and fundamentalist society as the educated and middle class have gotten the hell outta dodge.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:21 AM
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I think stoning has been around a long time in that part of the world
I remember lots of reports on the Taliban in Afghanistan stoning women for the most unbelievable things. Family honor must be upheld, you know.

And I think stoning is also prevalent in India and Pakistan.

It is pretty awful.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:40 PM
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16. I agree this is wrong. Could you please inform me of the context of which it was shown? n/t
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:54 PM
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28. Oh, they had the "disturbing images" warning but this was unacceptable.
I am not sure what you meant but this was a daytime national cable broadcast. Wolf Blitzer reporting etc.... A large crowd dragged the girl into a square while police stood by & did nothing. Multiple angles & images from video phones-way too convenient?.

The death blow was shown as well as many images of her lying in a large pool of blood with a huge (30lb) stone by her head.Was this REALLY necessary to get the point across?
Yes it was a ethnic killing & no I don't remember the sects involved. I was too sick from the video.

If you have seen this video PLEASE complain. Here is a direct link.
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?92

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:40 PM
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17. Wouldn't be surprised if it were staged.
I didn't see it, but CNN is catapult central, and every time I do watch even five minutes of it they're frantically pushing some PNAC talking point.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:51 PM
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25. It's not staged
it was documented over a month ago. Amnesty International has condemned it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:08 PM
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35. If this was documented a month ago, why is it on CNN homepage NOW?
Edited on Thu May-17-07 05:08 PM by uppityperson
rhetorical question I guess. yeah, go cnn. darn librul media
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:10 PM
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36. because I believe the video of it
was just made available this week.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:42 PM
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19. What's wrong with seeing the truth? If you don't like it change the channel
There is no argument against information.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:15 PM
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37. Maybe we can have a bad taste channel were you can see this regularly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:46 PM
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:51 PM
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26. not cool
Edited on Thu May-17-07 05:08 PM by blogslut
n/t
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sheerjoy Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:03 PM
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47. But....
a good flick nonetheless.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:16 PM
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64. Not cool at all. And you obviously missed the entire point of the movie.
Hint: it wasn't really about killing anyone.
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sheerjoy Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:17 AM
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73. I know that...
but why ya wanna bust my bubble? It was a wonderful fantasy.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:47 PM
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23. .......I believe they call it political (and religious) propaganda.
barbarians are us.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:00 PM
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30. The only difference between them and us...
we at least make an attempt to keep our religious zealots in check.

Reality can be a little tough to look at sometimes, but you can't make it go away by turning off your teevee.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:06 PM
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58. It xenophobic not religious-- in fiercely independent/isolated societies, which
Kurdish society historically had been, exogamous marriage was strictly forbidden.

This poor girl was a victim of this tradition and it should be stopped.

It's not far from the lynchings in our country a generation or so ago.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:35 AM
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76. You can deny it all you want but that xenophobia is still grounded
Edited on Fri May-18-07 08:37 AM by MindPilot
in religious belief.

They aren't a bunch of Atheists stoning that woman because Madalyn O'Hair told them to.

Here, Christians would be stoning women who have abortions if we didn't have laws against it.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:56 AM
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80. Wow-- now who's basing one's views on "faith"?
This crime had nothing to do with religious belief--it's based on misogynistic and xenophobic traditions of a patriarchal society that revels in its separateness.

They can use every "religious" justification, but it doesn't wash

"Christians" would stone women who have abortions -- based on their hatred of women and their love of power.

Get over the religious issue-- it's just cheap superficial trapping over a much more dangerous sentiment.

Organized religion is a sham--as is any organized belief system (religious or not)

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ComandanteChe Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:01 PM
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31. What a nation we are living in...


An actress or singer has a wardrobe malfunction, an itty bitty titty pops out, the media censors it.

A theocratic village from the Stone Age stones a girl to death, the media parades it.

Beauty of breast versus slaughter by stoning? Hmmmm. We Report, You Decide.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:04 PM
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33. There's an important distinction....
the FCC can regulate over-the-air broadcasts, like the superbowl. They cannot regulate cable broadcasts, like CNN.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:16 PM
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:23 PM
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41. I disagree
that it's an attempt to flame hatred.

First, the attackers in this video are not muslims. Second, it doesn't do the PNAC agenda, or Bush, any help to show this kind of breakdown in law and order in Iraq. The authorities there are now supposed to be the good guys.

Yes, it's a shocking video, but I don't think news outlets are responsible for protecting my sensibilities.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:52 PM
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:01 PM
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46. No
Yazidism, while influenced by Islam (as well as other religions) is not a sect of Islam, as far as I understand it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yezidi

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:04 PM
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:08 PM
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49. Well
perhaps you could convince me by showing me a source claiming that it IS an Islamic sect.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:54 PM
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69. They are not Muslim (at least as far as I know) but
Edited on Thu May-17-07 10:57 PM by nam78_two
I honestly doubt that most Americans would know the difference. I haven't seen the poll numbers recently, but the last time I saw them, I think at least 60-70% of our populace had no clue about the ethnic/religious breakdown of the Iraqi people much less the Middle East as a whole.

Unfortunately el presidente is not the only one who thinks its jus' a homogeneous group of "Muslimish" people messin' about over there. Well ok, maybe by now the difference between Sunnis and Shias is understood, but I doubt that anything beyond that has sunk in.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:46 AM
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86. Monkeyfunk is right. Read the Wiki link. It's a pre-Mohammad Arabic religion.
The Muslims didn't manage to convert ALL Arabs in the world way back in the Middle Age. Some remained with their non-Abrahamic old beliefs. Yezidi is one of them.

This is not "let's agree to disagree" material. It's fact. It's like you're arguing that the capital of the USA is New York.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:40 PM
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66. They are NOT Muslim. They are Yazidis. nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:08 AM
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72. They are NOT Muslim but Yazidis. eom
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:02 AM
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74. No they are not
They are Yadhizi or something like that. Their religion is pre-Muslim. Muslimc alled them devil wroshippers because one of their gods is similar in name to "Shaytan".

A very isolated society.

The girl fell in love with a Muslim, and the results are the video. She was killed by her own family.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:44 AM
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78. It doesn't matter, it's still the result of backward religious tribalism.
The whole "what sect are they?" argument--as if that excuses it somehow--is like arguing over whether the guy who bombed an abortion clinic is Evangelical or Southern Baptist.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:01 PM
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88. No it's like arguing over whether he was Christian or Muslim.
Edited on Fri May-18-07 03:03 PM by piedmont
Yazidis are not a sect of Islam. It's another religion entirely.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:05 PM
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34. Oddly, I am OK with seeing dead bodies (was a nurse)--
but watching people in the throes of a graphic and violent death, AS it's happening? Not for public consumption, IMO.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:15 PM
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38. I saw the thread title and thought this was a discussion of "The Passion of the Christ." Never mind.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:19 PM
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40. I think it's about time the MSM showed us the horrors in Iraq
A few year too late, but better than never.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:28 PM
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42. It's in the top 3 most emailed videos today. Everyone in this thread should
go there and get the Ron Paul video and send it out to everyone you know - to provide some counterpoint to the Stoning video.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:31 PM
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43. Sorry - can't agree with you - this needs to be shown!
In too many cultures this kind of thing happens to women. It needs to be shown and it needs to become an internation outrage! If you don't want to see it change the channel! Thank you to CNN for showing.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:33 PM
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44. Yes, Iraq is better off now than before we invaded.
:sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:24 PM
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52. As horrid as we find this, we must understand that this can be
the norm in some societies.

I don't condone w/this in any way, and if I would have been there, it would have been a little different.
But I wasn't so things played out as they did. I consider this nothing less than murder, but I am not in control over there.

It is sad when people are treated like this, and we can only try to educate people just how sordid a situation like this is. In Leviticus of the OT, those children that brought "shame" to their parents were to be stoned to death...I know of no Jew, regardless of sect, that would even consider such a thing today. This shows me that reforms and changes are possible, but they have to be fought for with education and if need be, daring attempts at rescue. If the people who threw those stones were in the same position, they would be crying like babies, begging not to die, if they were in such a position, perhaps things would change for the better.

It is so sad to read things like this, how barbaric people can seem when we look at them from our culture... :cry:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:08 PM
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59. exactly

I think they are trying to enrage us against "the enemy"...Hence this shit is justified.

It is ugly shit -- the actual event -- but there's a whole load of really ugly shit going on in the world, and this is the shit they choose to show. Not much doubt about the motivation.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:14 PM
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62. I don't know...Americans hear about this and ignore it - maybe this will get their attention.
It's a horrific practice that needs to be stopped - maybe now some will actually get up off the couch and demand action?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:14 PM
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63. Gonna disagree. This is news, real news. I don't want us sheltered from the war we caused
We made this civil war; we unleashed these forces knowing full well that this is what would happen: sectarian violence, brutality, repression. I won't turn a blind eye to the things my tax dollars have paid for.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:23 PM
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65. I am NOT against this
When the media shows the true horrors of war, the media is doing the job that it's supposed to be doing.

The only reason so many people were for this war is because of the sanitization of it. Maybe if the media showed the true hell that war is, people wouldn't support it so often.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:43 PM
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67. I'm not so sure this story fits in the "horrors of war" category.
Maybe "horrors of a backwards-ass society that treats women like shit," but I don't think the war had a direct influence on what happened to this girl.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:52 PM
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68. But does this really have anything to do with the war?
There were no soldiers involved, no air raid, no bombing, just humanity's inhumanity toward its weakest members.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:50 AM
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87. Yes, because without a secular government (tyrannical or not) keeping people in line
all sects and cults are throwing themselves at each other with gusto.

I know it's lame to say "it's Bush's fault", but there's no denying the general deterioration of the country by the war favors "mob rule" of that kind. Maybe in this particular case the influence was small. Maybe not.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:40 PM
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70. And our children our dying to support this...
WTF is wrong with us, why are we in some backwards country trying to force western ideals upon a population that is obviously stuck in the stone ages.

The worst part is, it was her own family that did this. How fucked up do you have to be to want to stone your own daughter, sister, niece just because she had a Muslim boyfriend.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:57 AM
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81. Very fucked up, I'd say.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:06 AM
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82. Exactly.
We should pull out of that country right now and let those fucking mutant animals exterminate each other! Maybe this is offensive, but I don't give a damn about a culture that still practices ritual killings, and abuses women as is practiced in the fucking middle east. Why the hell are we there? Why are our tax dollars going to support this crap when I'd rather see these bastards that call themselves "men" rot in hell? People that would participate in the killing of their own daughter, wife, niece, etc, don't deserve to breathe IMO.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:05 AM
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75. That video has already been all over the Internet
and I am sure plenty of kids have seen it already.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:40 AM
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77. Sadly, those doing the stoning were not the 'enemy'. They were homegrown Iraqis.
These are the very people we are forcing democracy down their throats...
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:52 AM
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79. I'm sorry, but I don't care if this is a "cultural thing" or not.
Those fuckers are murderous animals, and their back-assed civilization hasn't evolved out of the dark ages. Fucking scum like that could vanish from the planet tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me a bit.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:09 AM
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83. Stop watching CNN, MSNBC & the rest.
I don't have cable and even if I did I wouldn't watch that b.s. disguised as news. I rarely watch the network evening news because it's b.s. too.

Get your news on the web and forget about those goddamn liars who are trying to brainwash you!
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:17 AM
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84. Clearly what we need is more Britney Spears!
:sarcasm:

When I was growing up, I was greatly affected by things I saw on the nightly news. Film from Vietnam, some of it very graphic. An Indian woman (Indira Ghandi, maybe??) getting stabbed in the stomach as she disembarked from a plane. A cameraman getting shot and falling to the street dead as his camera rolled in Ireland.

But seeing those things made me care. They educated me about the state of the world. They even galvanized me to political action.

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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:21 AM
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85. It's news, and Americans should see exactly what they are supporting
They should see every day the body parts strewn all over the marketplaces. And it should lead the news every night until we end the occupation.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:02 PM
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89. Just program CNN off of your TV
Along with Fox.

Works like a charm....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:01 PM
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91. It is certainly hypocritical of CNN. Why not show death row inmates being executed
or Abu Ghraib torture?

We live in a land of Bible-carrying hypocrites, thieves and murderers.


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