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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:20 PM
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Passengers suing cruise line for heavy seas
Edited on Thu May-17-07 01:21 PM by Squatch
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Passenger recalls terror on cruise ship as it was hit by 70-foot wave

A New Jersey woman testified on Wednesday that she still gets nightmares about an April 2005 cruise that was slammed by heavy seas for hours and eventually struck by a 70-foot wave.

"It's always about water," said Sandra Krahling, a passenger on the Norwegian Dawn cruise from Miami to New York. "I just remember seeing propellers coming out of the water. I open doors and there's water coming in."

Krahling is one of four people suing Norwegian Cruise Line for emotional damage from the cruise, which was forced to divert to Charleston, S.C., after windows broke, flooding 62 cabins.

The suit filed by Miami lawyer Brett Rivkind alleges Norwegian recklessly tried to sail through the storm to tape an appearance on the Donald Trump show The Apprentice, for which it had agreed to pay $800,000.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:23 PM
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1. Well, my initial reaction is also a "gimme a break" type deal.
But if the cruise line deliberately took on stormy seas to make this appointment, when they wouldn't have otherwise due to passenger safety, there's a legit complaint here. They endangered the whole ship doing so.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:25 PM
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4. Those ships are built to safely navigate heavy seas.
Just like airplanes are over-engineered for that 1-in-1,000,000 chance of catastrophic turbulence, cruise ships are built to take heavier seas than normal.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:34 PM
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8. That may be the case,
but why risk it? If a passenger were in a medical emergency, that might be a justifiable reason. To borrow your analogy, just because airplanes are designed to withstand monster turbulence doesn't mean they still don't try to avoid it.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:24 PM
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2. It seems to me
that they're not suing for heavy seas, but rather for the decision to try to sail through the storm.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:24 PM
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3. That's a tough call. If Norwegian is truly guilty of sacrificing ship safety for The Apprentice...
then they truly deserve to get hit with a civil lawsuit. Otherwise, I'm apt to think it's frivolous.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:26 PM
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5. Which side will mother nature testify for?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:27 PM
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6. Not sure why you'd say "WTF"
They aren't suing "for heavy seas" -- they are alleging that the cruise line recklessly chose a path through the stormy seas when they could've avoided it.

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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:42 PM
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11. The Norwegian Dawn has 2 diesel azipods
that are *under* the ship. I don't know how a passenger would see the ship's propellors and then be able to say this: ""I just remember seeing propellers coming out of the water."
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:20 PM
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25. I think she's talking about her nightmares
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:32 PM
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7. With all the weather data available to mariners there is no
excuse for sailing through a storm, especially a cruise ship.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:35 PM
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9. Was this considered a rogue wave, was it charted by the satellite
systems, and did the ship know it was coming?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:39 PM
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10. This line
"I just remember seeing propellers coming out of the water." It's pretty difficult to see the propellers when you're on the ship.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:43 PM
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13. Norwegian Dawn has 2 azipods, UNDER the ship
Edited on Thu May-17-07 01:44 PM by Squatch
Like these (the stern of the ship is to the right in this picture):

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:08 PM
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31. I'll help you out.
Here's a better picture for scale:



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kmla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:16 PM
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18. I think she was referring to her nightmares....
At least that's how I read it.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:22 PM
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26. me too, I think she's talking about her nightmares
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:31 PM
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34. Perhaps she should sue James Cameron, Leo DiCaprio and Co!
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:42 PM
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12. This ought to be interesting
DH and I cruised on NCL from Vancouver, BC to Hawaii in late September, 2001. The seas were so rough (20' and higher swells,) during our trip that fully half the ship was ill, including the captain.

I understand that we were out on the ocean; it isn't like sailing in a bathtub. At the same time, NCL was unresponsive to what we considered a dangerous situation. The folks on the "rogue wave" cruise got it a lot worse than we did, and believe it or not, I still have nightmares as well. I'm not going to sue, but it'll be a cold day in Hell before I ever cruise NCL again.

Julie
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:21 PM
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22. 20ft waves are nothing...the CAPTAIN was sick?!
that is just a little unnerving.

I was on a Caribbean cruise a few years back and we spent a few days running 20-30 footers. It *was* a little bumpy, but a steward told me over half the passengers were ill.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:01 PM
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23. That's why we were a little freaked out
We evidently hit some kind of storm and were getting tossed around like we were in a much smaller boat. The ship's doctor ran out of anti-seasickness shots. If you start taking the anti-seasickness meds after the fact, you have to wait till they build up in your body for them to work. I couldn't figure out how the CAPTAIN could be sick. Didn't he do this all the time?

Typically, the Caribbean is very smooth other than hurricane season, so you all must have had a not-so-fun time.

I think part of the problem with cruise lines is that they keep insisting "oh, we have stabilizers" to first-time cruisers -- people don't realize that you still may be seasick, and don't know enough to start taking the proper precautions before they get on the ship. It also doesn't help when the cruise line decides they'd allegedly rather have $800K then actually avoiding putting ship and passengers in a dangerous situation. (Oops! My bad!) Our experience was that if they could make a buck, they would, and it didn't matter what it took.

Julie
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:27 PM
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33. Those stabilizers are the best thing ever!!
Edited on Thu May-17-07 05:33 PM by MindPilot
The cruise I just mentioned was on an older ship--launched the same year I was--so no stabilizers.
About six hours out, a bottle of champagne fell from a cabinet, broke and a piece of glass lodged in the executive chef's eye. It was too rough for the ship's doctor to deal with it, too windy to airlift the guy out, and to bumpy for a boat to come alongside so we had to turn around and get back to the mouth of the harbor so a boat could come take him in. Other than that it was a great trip.

I took a cruise to Cabo last summer on a new ship with the computer-controlled stabilizers. That thing literally bounced around more anchored in the bay than it did at sea. For about one 24 hour period we were running 10-20 foot waves. I had to line the horizon up with a horizontal piece of the ship to see if there was any movement. A big wave would be coming at us and I think "that one is going to kick our ass" but when the stabilizers were done with it, all I felt was a slight shudder.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:46 PM
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36. I took a cruise last August in the Gulf of Mexico
It was a Carnival, it was awesome! It was pretty smooth water when we were out. I'd definitely do it again.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:46 PM
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14. One of four people suing Norwegian Cruise
On a ship of a couple thousand, you're sure to find at least four, unstable people. It's probably two couples.

I'm sure they'll settle for a few cruises in the future.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:04 PM
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24. We were offered half-off coupons after ours
We tore them up and registered mailed them back to the CEO of NCL.

Julie
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:53 PM
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15. Interesting testimony from the article:
"questioned by NCL attorneys, she said she had no physical injuries from the cruise and did not see a psychologist or psychiatrist afterward, other than the expert ones hired in preparation for the lawsuit."

:eyes:

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:57 PM
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16. Sounds like a rogue wave....
From what I understand of these waves is that they come out of nowhere without any warning or notice. As long as the cruise line did everything they could to protect these people from this...
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:05 PM
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17. Rogue wave simulator
Total amplitude of waves passing through each other is the sum of the amplitude of those waves:

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:21 PM
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19. Good size wave at 70 feet
I read the average waves are around 50ft and that 100ft is only heard of in fish tales... Good size.. They were lucky, it could of been worse....
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:26 PM
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27. Rogue Waves!!!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:04 PM
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30. for scary pictures google "rogue waves" images.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:21 PM
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32. Last season on Dealiest catch one of the boats was hit by one
The camera's were rolling just filming some rough swells and then from the side came a massive wave, it threw the entire boat on its side. They rolled back up but thank god the crew was inside catching some sleep instead of on deck. The camera footage wqas scary as hell.

Rogue waves happen. It's the chance you take when you decide to stay in a massive hotel in the middle of the ocean. People these days are always looking for someone to blame. Sometimes mother nature throws you a curve ball and all you can do it duck. Those people ought to be grateful the damn boat didnt go down and they all survived.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:55 PM
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20. Went on a fishing trip in the Gulf. I yacked the entire time.
I thought the friggin' boat would turn over.

Hello, lawsuit!
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:04 PM
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21. Farley Mowat sez, "You're all a bunch of sissies" n/t
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:46 PM
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28. idiots.
Edited on Thu May-17-07 04:46 PM by cobalt1999
You go out to sea, you take what the sea gives. The boat was not in danger of sinking. Next time, stay at home and float around in your swimming pool. Bunch of babies.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:57 PM
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29. I'm a sailor and think I have an idea what happened
They were coming up the coast with heavy seas prob front the east

Sounds like they took that 70 footer dead on the beam

You always try to take waves on either the fore quarter or stern quarter

Straight into them you can pitchpole and bury the bow

A dead on beam hit can roll you

if I had taken that 70ft on the beam in my boat

it would have turned me turtle and dismasted me

and probably I wouldn't have been hear now

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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:40 PM
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35. Yeah the fact that it takes a 70ft wave abeam
and the major damage is some broken windows is a testament to how well those ships are designed and built.
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