Is there any doubt now that it is a coup attempt?

[kpete]

We are in Constitutional Crisis now; the Constitutional Confrontation is yet to come

The Plan

We know the neocons had a goal and a plan. How did they intend to carry out their goal of a permanant Republican majority? Funny phrase in hindsight; I thought it was bluster. Little did I know what they really had in mind. I'm blown away by the audacity and the callousness. They didn't care what the consequences would be; they just wanted to take as much as they could.


Here's what they did:

Stole the 2000 Presidency and possibly the 2004
Consequently was able to establish control of the Supreme Court
Attempted to take over the Dept of Justice by replacing USAs with their soldiers
Domestic spying. Who did they spy on? I'm guessing that it wasn't terrorists.
Subverted the Legislature by making law or ignoring laws with signing statements.

When you look at it this way the results of the 2006 look critical to uncovering this. Can you imagine where we'd be if Democrats hadn't taken control of the House and exposed the USA takeover?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/17/82615/0119

[Tyler Durden]

1. We still may go that way.

It's still happening on a daily basis, and very little is being done.

[madokie]

8. I see it as a fire thats slow to catch

a roaring flame it will be shortly though, Americans are getting fed up with the bushitler's* bullshit, trust me on that one, OK. The little man and his cabal of criminals are soon to be reeled in like a big assed ole catfish, to be feasted on by the masses, :-) Yes, Americans are waking up

[Lost4words]

10. I have been watching these slow catching fires for a long time.

If you are waiting for change you will be disapointed big time.
8643

[madokie]

18. no waiting, not here anyway

power of the vote and the keyboard is mighty strong

[Lost4words]

26. hold on to that as long as you can.

[Lost4words]

9. so you see it to? We dont have an effective alternative

and the establishment dems are to blame IMHO!

I am very disappointed with the lackluster democratic candidates and their GOP lite policies.
8643

[Virginia Dare]

2. It makes Watergate look like amateur hour in comparison..

it's pretty obvious the mainstream media is complicit as well, not a peep from them.

[bdamomma]

13. the media should be held as this administrations accomplices

they all should be held in contempt.

[tomp]

41. absolutely correct! legally accomplices to bush crimes. nt

[Robbien]

3. Right now their plan is just stalled

or so they believe.

In their minds this is just a little hiccup. Going by the smirks on Gonzo's and Junior's faces, they believe they are weathering the storm.

[Blackhatjack]

4. It is as much an attack on our Country from WITHIN as those who oppose us from WITHOUT...

A miscalculation by the Republican Party hijackers in the last election in 2006 will turn out to be pivotal in looking back on the plan to establish a 'permanent Repub majority.'

The desire to make the results look like closely won races resulted in Democrats winning and giving them the power to investigate with Congressional subpoenoes.

You can imagine that the 'architects' of the 2006 election strategy have been kicking themselves for not just making sure they would win even if it was apparent to everyone that another election had been stolen.

It is often not the most egregious lies and actions that bring down corrupt governments, but rather the little details that could have been remedied if only the corrupt had not been so arrogant as to believe they were bulletproof.

Thank you Karl!

[Blackhatjack]

12. Congressional Investigations Do Not Go Front Page With Everything They Know Every Day...

Like any other criminal investigation, one of the most powerful tools is to keep what you know secret and continue to force others to tell their story under oath before they know what you have on them. The uncertainty of knowing what the prosecutor already has often forces people to reveal more than they otherwise would.

Also, you build corruption cases from the 'ground up.' IMHO that is taking place even as we speak. As you climb the tree from underling to director of the corrupt acts, you have to use all the tools at your disposal --including immunity.

If the Congressional Investigatory Committees fully disclosed what they know today, you can be sure their efforts to get to the most corrupt would fail. Even if you know who did what, you still have to have evidence to prove it. IMHO that is what we are seeing right now --collection of evidence and building of the cases.

[Spiffarino]

48. You are right, I think.

Most of the Senators and a few of the House members are either experienced prosecutors or veterans of many Congressional investigations. They have compelled a lot of testimony and have much on record. It looks like they are gathering the raw material on which to build a case.

There has been a Democratic majority Congress for about four months. It took more than two years to go from the burglary at the Watergate Hotel to Nixon's forced resignation. There was also a high-functioning press at that time and no Faux News Channel.

Don't be too hard on the Dems just yet. Let this play out, sit back, and enjoy the show. They just might know what they're doing.

[klyon]

51. I think you are correct, we will be hearing of Bush scandals for

years to come. More horror will come out as time goes on. But that will change nothing.

But the underlying problem of Corporate control will not be solved. They will never give-up. We have a fundamental difference of belief between the right and the left in this country. I expect to see those lines become more clearly marked and class warfare to became the sword they hit us with. Unless workers stand-up united fascism and an elite ruling class will be our fate.

KL

[Lost4words]

55. I pray you are correct on this Blackhatjack

I did read your post #12. I do hope you are correct that things are in the works, so to speak, but I have witnessed many wrongs glossed over. I dont have much faith.

But your posts gives me just a little hope. Lets touch base in several years to see where we have really travelled.

8643

[tblue]

46. Yup. THEY are the ones who hate us for our freedom! They've nothing but contempt for the electorate.

[Lost4words]

5. so where are we now that the democrats have taken power?

I dont see much changing, its looking like the same old same old to me! What do you see changing?

I have been down this road before thinking a party change will correct wrongs, it dosent seem to work that way.

And the rich get richer

8643

[havocmom]

17. DEMs have taken power? Look at the math again

Extremely slim majority is not the same as being in power. They can't do diddly without the back up of HUGE outcries from the US public to force some of the GOP to skip the lock-step nazi march.

If you'll notice, the US public has been coming along and voicing much displeasure of late. crowds move slowly, but they move. The US public has been victimized by propaganda (pro-GOP propaganda) since rules relaxing media ownership back in the Reagan years. There is a LOT of brainwashing to overcome. A lot of information deficits for voters to overcome. The corporate media did a damn fine job of skewing the view. Were it not for the freedom to share truth and ability to dig deeper for it that the internet provided, the masses would STILL be completely in the dark about what the corporate ruled GOP has been doing and still hopes to do.

Considering the DECADES of limited information and outright mis-information the public has had pounded into them, it is amazing the poll numbers are where they are. It is coming along rather well, when you consider the information hole the people have been buried in since the early 80s. The DEMs have to keep pushing, but gently enough that the vast majority of the people awake up and do the work they are supposed to do in a democracy, which is LEAD the leaders. IF the party pushes too hard all at once, the people turn off and will go back into their shells, muttering 'they're all the same'. The slim DEM margin must get strength from the masses so the margin can grow.

Then, the DEMS will be in power.

[loudsue]

32. That is true, havocmom. Our majority is extremely thin, and is exacerbated by the DLC

The DLC is the cancer on the Dem party that the corporations pulled off, via the likes of the Clintons, Al From, JOE LIEBERMAN, Harold Ford, Jr., Rahm Emmanuel, etc. These are republican infiltrators in the Dem party.

The grass roots "gets it" about the DLC...we managed to oust LIEberman in the primary, but the republicans brought him back. What else does anyone need to say about WHO supports & finances the DLC?

It makes our very slim "majority" moot, because the republiCON virus has already infected OUR party, as well.

:kick::kick::kick: & R

[Lost4words]

56. well stated!

[Kurovski]

43. 8643 , take a look at post #12, the one (now) directly above yours.

That might address some of your concerns.

[deminks]

6. Don't forget the lies that got us into war, the false terra alerts,

and the whole rule by fear thing, whatever you may think of septembertheeleventh.

The constititution is, for them, just a stinking scrap of paper. (That may be all that is left of it, when they have accomplished their mission).

[TechBear_Seattle]

7. What if they threw a constitutional crisis and nobody came?

I have little doubt about the Junta's plan to take over the government. I also have little doubt that most Americans -- including a depressing number of Democratic officials -- don't care and are not only unwilling to take action but openly hostile to those who are demanding that action (impeachment) be pursued.

[bdamomma]

15. I think the louder our discontent grows these Democratic Senators will

have no choice to do something, I feel as though they take their clues from us.

[mod mom]

11. Possibly the '04?

:eyes:

[Sgt Bilko]

25. What?

As a conservative, I'm shocked by this thread. To accuse our President and "neocons" of attempting to hold a coup is absurd.


muhahahaha

Actually, I think we're as close to a "permanent" Republican presidency then we have ever been. I'm not into conspiraces, but:


Don't be Surprised at Fabricated Terrorist Event to Cancel Federal Election
by Stan Moore
(Monday, August 9, 2004)

"Once America enters a period of martial law, which would be declared in the name of "democracy" and "freedom", we may NEVER get back true democracy and freedom for many years."

The website at GlobalResearch.ca has compiled a lot of evidence that the Bush administration is considering ways and means of canceling the upcoming Federal elections. Not only that, there is ample evidence presented to show that Al Qaeda is and always was a collaborative agent of the U.S. Government, and for all we know, still may be. We also know that the principal players in this administration called for a new "Pearl Harbor - type event" to start the war on terrorism and there is not reason to doubt that another such event may be used as a method for the Bushites to maintain hold on power, at least temporarily.

But there is more to consider. The Association for the Study of Peak Oil tells us that we may be at or very close to the Hubbert Peak of international oil production. There is great reason to believe that international chaos will ensue, not to mention total collapse of the economic, securities and political systems when the public realizes the realities of the age we are living in. And if and when the public decides to hold the politicians of both parties accountable, there could be revolution.

Certainly the leaders of both American political parties know about Peak Oil, including Kerry/Edwards, yet public discussion is off the table. For this reason, a new possibility emerges regarding maintenance of control of the nation by the status quo, which includes the wealthy, corporate elite of BOTH political parties. A terrorism event could be manufactured in which martial law is declared and maintained indefinitely. A fascinating possibility is that both political parties could work together to ensure maintenance of pseudo-democracy in America by a collaborative effort to maintain/share power without elections, without exercises of democracy by the American people. Martial law could be used to suppress the masses, to stifle the flow of information, to subdue American "insurgency".

Already, we know that the Project for the New American Century called for extending war to cyber-space, and it is well within reason to contemplate control over the entire Internet by military monitoring, with arrest of "seditious" speech by anyone at any time. The U.S. military, if it chose, working with the national intelligence services, could identify and suppress free speech on the Internet and make it virtually impossible for free speech, truth, and citizen action to undermine the police state that would be deemed necessary for the "security" of the nation.

OF THIS NATURE SHOULD SURPRISE US!

Once America enters a period of martial law, which would be declared in the name of "democracy" and "freedom", we may NEVER get back true democracy and freedom for many years.

Think about it.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/8790/

[mod mom]

28. Guess KKKarl under estimated what he needed to hold majorities in '06, but

did get away (for now) the 2000 an '04 coup. Have no fear, though, because I KNOW that the VERY HONORABLE John Conyers and his legal staff at the House Judiciary has archived the mountain of evidence gathered by unpaid activists. This will come out just as the total disregard for the constitution is coming out with the US Atty scandal and Comey's testimony to the Senate.

These are lawless thugs, who overtook our government in order to put through their own war profiteer agenda, but oh the times, they are a-changing!

INDICT
IMPEACH
IMPRISON!

[mod mom]

29. Hey buddy, here is a little reading material for you:

Time for Change's excellent post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x904301

[renate]

31. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[malaise]

14. Down memory lane

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153771

[lonestarnot]

16. San don donia!

[samsingh]

19. chilling and evil - other cultures have been destroyed

by attempts as these

[WinkyDink]

20. "attempt"? It was a coup d'etat in late 2000. In no uncertain terms.

[opihimoimoi]

21. They are smart enough to infiltrate all aspects of our gov't..many are closeted

in cells or individually in Green/Indy/Dem/etc Parties

Its like them Aliens are here and in our faces posing as Humans...

[Bitwit1234]

22. I think the Democrats need to have a fire lighted under them

All this investigation...it is a good thing. But, I am disappointed that absolutely nothing has come from it...why aren't they arresting some body...why isn't someone being held accountable.

[rwork]

23. Spying on your political opponent.

Such as John Kerry's political strategy.

[azurnoir]

24. We may not be out of the woods yet

It has occurred to me that maybe they let us have the '06 election, we control both the house and Senate but not by enough to make much difference. To have 5 elections (00,02,04,06,08) in a row contested would be too obvious. Between the '06 and '08 elections '08 is the brass ring, so if they can pull it off again we can't say much because they will but what about '06, your just bad losers. Hopefully I am wrong.:tinfoilhat:

[Sgt Bilko]

27. What?

As a conservative, I'm shocked by this thread. To accuse our President and "neocons" of attempting to hold a coup is absurd.


muhahahaha

Actually, I think we're as close to a "permanent" Republican presidency then we have ever been. I'm not into conspiraces, but:


Don't be Surprised at Fabricated Terrorist Event to Cancel Federal Election
by Stan Moore
(Monday, August 9, 2004)

"Once America enters a period of martial law, which would be declared in the name of "democracy" and "freedom", we may NEVER get back true democracy and freedom for many years."

The website at GlobalResearch.ca has compiled a lot of evidence that the Bush administration is considering ways and means of canceling the upcoming Federal elections. Not only that, there is ample evidence presented to show that Al Qaeda is and always was a collaborative agent of the U.S. Government, and for all we know, still may be. We also know that the principal players in this administration called for a new "Pearl Harbor - type event" to start the war on terrorism and there is not reason to doubt that another such event may be used as a method for the Bushites to maintain hold on power, at least temporarily.

But there is more to consider. The Association for the Study of Peak Oil tells us that we may be at or very close to the Hubbert Peak of international oil production. There is great reason to believe that international chaos will ensue, not to mention total collapse of the economic, securities and political systems when the public realizes the realities of the age we are living in. And if and when the public decides to hold the politicians of both parties accountable, there could be revolution.

Certainly the leaders of both American political parties know about Peak Oil, including Kerry/Edwards, yet public discussion is off the table. For this reason, a new possibility emerges regarding maintenance of control of the nation by the status quo, which includes the wealthy, corporate elite of BOTH political parties. A terrorism event could be manufactured in which martial law is declared and maintained indefinitely. A fascinating possibility is that both political parties could work together to ensure maintenance of pseudo-democracy in America by a collaborative effort to maintain/share power without elections, without exercises of democracy by the American people. Martial law could be used to suppress the masses, to stifle the flow of information, to subdue American "insurgency".

Already, we know that the Project for the New American Century called for extending war to cyber-space, and it is well within reason to contemplate control over the entire Internet by military monitoring, with arrest of "seditious" speech by anyone at any time. The U.S. military, if it chose, working with the national intelligence services, could identify and suppress free speech on the Internet and make it virtually impossible for free speech, truth, and citizen action to undermine the police state that would be deemed necessary for the "security" of the nation.

OF THIS NATURE SHOULD SURPRISE US!

Once America enters a period of martial law, which would be declared in the name of "democracy" and "freedom", we may NEVER get back true democracy and freedom for many years.

Think about it.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/8790 /

[earth mom]

30. So when are the dems gonna DO something about it?!

Impeach NOW! :banghead:

[jgraz]

33. The only doubt is whether it was just an attempt

We'll see if the Dems are able to unravel it.

[Mrspeeker]

34. its not an attempt anymore!

It the New America!! thanks to the PNAC!!

[lyonn]

35. It is hard to imagine how low george's polling was prior to 9-11

From day one everything george tried to implement was trashed. He was really excited about reviving "star wars". It wasn't impressing anyone. Taxes was his big adventure.

Then the towers came down and his polling went up. He found out real quick how gullible the sheeple were when he was a hero for standing on the rubble and saying "I can hear you". No matter he sat for 7 minutes reading about the Goat while NY was burning!

That was the beginning of the end. George, Dick and Rove had a field day giving out misinformation. OK, throw in Rummy. They got the war they had longed for, Iraq. They became an Empire of three with their pawns running around spreading the lies and allowing torture, illegal wire tapping, in other words, doing their bidding, laws be damned. Hey, they said, this is War and I am - he is the War President.

They were sucking up to the religious radicals for votes since they were good at spreading the fear for this Empire that the radicals thought was god's answer to the evil the lefties were spreading.

Our Dem. congresscritters are not speaking loud enough or clear enough, All The Time. Can they not get air time on the basic news channels?

[Vidar]

36. More like coup accomplished.

[Morgana LaFey]

38. Exactly. Fait accompli and all that. nt

[Beam Me Up]

37. 9/11 Truth Now!

If you're gona go for it, go for the whole hog.

[file83]

40. I'll second that.

:patriot:

[Ezlivin]

58. I'll third it; motion passes

May their house of cards tumble like they tumbled WTC 7 on 9/11:

[Initech]

39. This is like the recent coup in Thailand - it wasn't an accident.

They knew damn well what they were doing. The Republicans didn't just lose gracefully, they slimed their way in the presidency. They had the help and support of the right-leaning Supreme Court to do this in the Bush V. Gore case. They then put a stranglehold on the media with the rise of Fox News (and the return of AM hate radio jackasses like Limbaugh and Hannity), which helped them do this. They then called our voting machines worthless and replaced them with something that could ensure another victory despite the popularity ratings of whoever they put in charge (in the case of Bush, those polls are now deemed worthless).

I'm now convinced that September 11th was staged and that the neocons allowed it to happen so they could finalize their coup with the Patriot Act and subsequent Iraq War. Call me a tin-foil hatter if you must (and I am proud of being a tin-foil hatter BTW) but it looks like all the pieces of their plan are falling into place. I'm sure even Clinton was part of their plan - they knew Bush I wasn't going to be re-elected so they set out to destroy Clinton in every way they could think of by making him look stupid (so they could destroy the opposition) so the plan could be set in motion.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

45. You are right on the money

to restate------------- They knew damn well what they were doing. The Republicans didn't just lose gracefully, they slimed their way in the presidency. They had the help and support of the right-leaning Supreme Court to do this in the Bush V. Gore case. They then put a stranglehold on the media with the rise of Fox News (and the return of AM hate radio jackasses like Limbaugh and Hannity), which helped them do this. They then called our voting machines worthless and replaced them with something that could ensure another victory despite the popularity ratings of whoever they put in charge (in the case of Bush, those polls are now deemed worthless).

I'm now convinced that September 11th was staged and that the neocons allowed it to happen so they could finalize their coup with the Patriot Act and subsequent Iraq War. Call me a tin-foil hatter if you must (and I am proud of being a tin-foil hatter BTW) but it looks like all the pieces of their plan are falling into place. I'm sure even Clinton was part of their plan - they knew Bush I wasn't going to be re-elected so they set out to destroy Clinton in every way they could think of by making him look stupid (so they could destroy the opposition) so the plan could be set in motion.

[Kurovski]

42. K&R. (nt)

[libodem]

44. They have an Agenda to subvert our way of Government

Sounds like Treason to me. They want a One Party System. And for Rush Limbaugh to shove it down our gullets on the radio everyday. And Tony Snow to shove it up our arses every night on the TV.

[Bonobo]

47. Kick plus rec

[Spiffarino]

49. It's beyond Nixonian...it deserves its own name.

The "-gate" suffix doesn't do the USA scandal any justice. Watergate pales in comparison to what Bush and his minions are up to.

[Swamp Rat]

50. "Attempt?"

They already succeeded.

[srf Rantz]

54. exactly my thoughts on seeing the thread title

Attempt?

I called it a right wing coup the moment I heard the supreme court decision appointing * potus in 2000. they've been running it like they'd achieved one every since.

[frogcycle]

52. never was n/t

[Felix Mala]

53. Most important one -- Evangelical takeover of the military!!!

It's no accident when active duty, high level Pentagon officials speaking to religious groups applaud their far-right social agenda.

It's no accident when evangelicals get "preferred" treatment at the US Air Force academy.

It's no accident when evangelical "chaplains" are the only show in town providing "spiritual" services to our soldiers in arms.

It's no accident that an evangelical worldview gets you key positions at the Pentagon and departments of State and Justice.

You gotta have a lot of things to make a revolution -- firepower comes in handy.

[BlueEyedSon]

57. The coup occurred in 2000