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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:18 PM
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I Was Wrong. And I've Opened My Eyes to Impeachment.
by wmtriallawyer
Wed May 16, 2007 at 12:04:03 PM PDT

It's time for my mea culpa. It's time for my John Edwards moment. It's time for me to say I was wrong. And I apologize.

You see, a little over two years ago, I had one of my first recommended diaries here at Daily Kos, arguing against the constant harangue of impeachment talk, titled Stop the Impeachment Talk Already!

I'd like to take it all back. The circumstances have changed...I've changed. It's time for me to get on the bandwagon. It's time for the drums to beat louder.

It's time for all of them to go.

~Snip~

For all this, one needs a catalyst to make them reach this conclusion. To me, it's Comey's testimony from yesterday. It is so damning in so many ways. It was a deliberate usurping of our Department of Justice by the Presidency. It was an attempt to illegally seize the reins of government to circumvent the Constitution and deliberately trample on the Bill of Rights. Who gave them the right to do this? Who gave them the right to act in such a heinous matter?

Sometimes, it takes a day for this stuff to sink in. When I finally got around to watching Comey's testimony today, it only took a matter of minutes.

They...must...go.

On Katrina, they could hide behind incompetence. On Iraq, they could hide behind the so-called faulty intelligence. But on what has gone on with our Department of "Just-us", there is no more hiding.

It's Nixon again. Maybe worse...Nixon covered it up. These guys were just more brazen about it all.

More - Daily Kos


More and more are jumping on this bandwagon...I'm all aboard - who's with me?

IMPEACH THEM ALL!!!!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:20 PM
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1. Welcome to the bandwagon - I just recently gave up on any other alternative myself n/t
n/t
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:23 PM
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2. Good on ya
Welcome.

Personally I think this administration makes Nixon look like a kid playing in the sandbox.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:23 PM
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3. Bush/Cheney** said himself, in so many words, that...
Edited on Wed May-16-07 08:24 PM by ClassWarrior
...we will not leave Iraq while he's in office. So the only way to get out of Iraq any time soon is to remove Bush/Cheney** from office.

Welcome to the movement. Visualize it.

NGU.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:24 PM
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4. Yer a little slow, but
Welcome aboard the wagon! :hug:
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:32 PM
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9. I've been on the wagon for a few
months now - I was pointing out that more and more people are jumping on the bus! I has thought at one time that a Democratic Congress would slow the Cabal down - they are pushing forward with no regrets.....with Murtha just recently throwing the I word around lately, it still can happen.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:24 PM
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5. Is that table set, Madame Speaker? -nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:25 PM
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6. Me! Me!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:25 PM
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7. I'm with ya!
:bounce:
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:32 PM
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8. Well...the trickle will eventually become a flood...Impeachment
is on the table Madam Speaker the circumstances have changed just in 5 months....
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:15 PM
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18. Impeachment circumstances began years ago.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:26 PM
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20. This is true...but we are in a postion now to actually do something
about it...
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:31 PM
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42. Not really. Not enough Senators to convict. Without that impeachment is worthless n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:41 PM
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10. Can you mass impeach?
Or would that be called a coup?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:46 PM
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11. I think I saw somewhere you could
simultaneously impeach both the Pres and VP - someone correct me if I'm wrong. But, it would be great to get those two out of the way, then the whole hose would crumble.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:50 PM
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12. The rule of law must be upheld
Ultimately, that is why impeachment is imperative.

Letting them repeatedly commit high crimes with impugnity is a slippery slope to the dissolution of the American experiment.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:54 PM
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15. Precisely!!
If we want to restore our nation to a nation of laws, to a just nation based upon basic principles of "libery and justice for all" we have no other choice than to impeach.

Pelosi and Reid need to lead and they need to uphold their sacred oaths to defend the Constitution, if they cannot then they need to get the hell out of the way and let those brave enough to lead do so.

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:36 PM
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43. Then the people you need to work on are in the Senate. They're the real hold outs. n/t
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:50 PM
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13. Welcome aboard the Impeachment Train
chuga chuga chuga chuga woooooooooooooooooooooooo woooooooooooooooooooootttttttttt chuga chuga chuga chuga woooooooooooooooooo woooooooooooooooooooooooooooootttttttt

ALL ABOARD!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:51 PM
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14. Yep, I hope more come to the light, have the appropriate sense of
danger about losing our republic. I'll throw in these tidbits from Chalmers Johnson,

"In politics, as in medicine, a cure based on a false diagnosis is almost always worthless, often worsening the condition that is supposed to be healed. The United States, today, suffers from a plethora of public ills. Most of them can be traced to the militarism and imperialism that have led to the near-collapse of our Constitutional system of checks and balances. Unfortunately, none of the remedies proposed so far by American politicians or analysts addresses the root causes of the problem."

-snip-

"If these people actually believe a presidential election a year-and-a-half from now will significantly alter how the country is run, they have almost surely wasted their money. As Andrew Bacevich, author of The New American Militarism, puts it: "None of the Democrats vying to replace President Bush is doing so with the promise of reviving the system of check and balances.... The aim of the party out of power is not to cut the presidency down to size but to seize it, not to reduce the prerogatives of the executive branch but to regain them." "

-snip-

"On the home front, despite the post-9/11 congressional authorization of new surveillance powers to the administration, its officials chose to ignore these and, on its own initiative, undertook extensive spying on American citizens without obtaining the necessary judicial warrants and without reporting to Congress on this program. These actions are prima-facie violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (and subsequent revisions) and of Amendment IV of the Constitution."

-snip-

"These alone constitute more than adequate grounds for impeachment, while hardly scratching the surface. And yet, on the eve of the national elections of November 2006, then House Minority Leader, now Speaker, Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), pledged on the CBS News program "60 Minutes" that "impeachment is off the table." She called it "a waste of time." And six months after the Democratic Party took control of both houses of Congress, the prison at Guantnamo Bay was still open and conducting drumhead courts martial of the prisoners held there; the CIA was still using "enhanced interrogation techniques" on prisoners in foreign jails; illegal intrusions into the privacy of American citizens continued unabated; and, more than fifty years after the CIA was founded, it continues to operate under, at best, the most perfunctory congressional oversight."


http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=194902











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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:06 PM
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16. Me too. Switched from INVESTIGATE to IMPEACH.
We can see the whites of their eyes.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:06 PM
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17. Glad to read that you're eyes are wide open now!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:















:P

'nuf said!! :hug:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:16 PM
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19. Welcome aboard. There's plenty of room. - n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:35 PM
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21. Welcome and impeachment must be done asap
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:33 PM
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22. I'm not on the wagon!
I'm drunk with the Impeachment Lust!

I woke up when I discovered the PNAC late 2004.

Welcome aboard, bar's over there.

-Hoot
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:36 PM
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23. I'm an impeachment hawk and I K&R this message
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:38 PM
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24. HUGE K & R !!!
:bounce: :kick: :bounce:

:woohoo:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:49 PM
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25. I'll jump on that bandwagon...


as long as there is no fighting in the war room...

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:54 PM
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26. Hell ya!
Stop the blackmail! Throw the mob out!
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:26 AM
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27. No bandwagoning. Drivers Wanted
We need everyone behind the wheel.

Here's an Old RoadMap to get you started.

---
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:38 AM
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35. Wonderful!
Bookmarked for later reading today.......at work, DUing while the boss is away!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:17 AM
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28. When it comes to this bunch.......................
When it comes to Bush and his henchmen (and henchwomen), imagine the worst possible illegal behaviour. This is what will be found if all the rocks are turned over. These people are the very worst. I know it. I have a gut feeling about this.

And something must be done about their manipulation of voter's rights. Their removing legal voters from the rolls.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:19 AM
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29. IMPEACH!!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:44 PM
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48. Imp Peach them all!!!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:38 AM
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49. Is that Ann Coulter eating a peach?
:D

great pic! :applause:

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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 04:53 AM
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30. k + r
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:24 AM
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31. Right. If you're diagnosed with Cancer, you don't wait 600 days to operate.

...and calling these guys cancerous is polite.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:26 AM
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32. Impeach Today To Save Tomorrow
see my signature line..... :hi:
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:28 AM
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33. I've always said...investigate first, then worry about impeachment.
After all, if Pelosi had been campaigning on impeachment, she would have been accused of power mongering, since she is next in line after Cheney.

The investigatios are starting to unveil the evil of this administration. The more we as the American people see, the more likely removal will be seriously contemplated.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:50 AM
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38. Investigations are where to start....
.... and when we get the support to bring this to completion, then we make our move.

No reason to approach this like the Bush admin approached the WoT.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:20 PM
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45. Exactly
It would have been a colossal mistake for Nancy P to announce last Fall, "If you elect Dems to Congress, we're going to do everything in our power to make ME the President."

Until about 20 Repub Senators see it's in their best interest to throw Bush out of office, impeachment isn't going to budge him. What we're learning now may be enough to them.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:15 AM
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50. There is Nothing to "Investigate" ...
... and The American People have seen more than enough. That's why a majority already support impeachment -- even in the face of direct opposition from the DC-Dem "leadership."

This has been true since before the election:



Had they run on impeachment, they might well have forced the GOP rats to escape his sinking ship last year -- instead of just beginning to now.

And there's no reason to "investigate" what the regime already admits. They claim the right to illegally torture and spy on Americans. RNC talking points about "next in line" coups -- like any comparison to Clinton "ickiness" -- are easily dealt with by a dose of reality (like the fact that cheney can resign at any time to move in a congressionally-approved, caretaker GOP VP/POTUS-in-waiting).

All that is left is for DC Dems, GOP Senators, and the Euphemedia to disapprove and act. Their current complicity is a war crime in itself, costs lives in Iraq daily, and perpetuates the ongoing degradation of our once-great nation.

Only Impeachment ... is a substantive act.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:33 AM
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34. Why do people say impeachment when they mean removal from office?
He says it's "time for all of them to go", which I think we all agree with. So why do we just focus on impeachment which will solve nothing unless we can also get a conviction?

I don't want impeachment. I want conviction and removal from office. If all I can get is impeachment, I'd just as soon do something else.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:42 AM
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36. Why do people say "eat dinner" when they mean eat, drink, chew, swallow, belch, ....
... :rofl:

Perhaps because people - even knowledgable people - understand that the two-step process focuses on 'Articles Of Impeachment.' In general termes, step one is their composition and step two is their validation.


Impeach. Remove. Indict. Convict. Imprison. (Rinse. Repeat.)

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:48 AM
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37. Yeah, they say "eat dinner" which is what they want to do. They don't say "cook dinner"
Impeachment is cooking dinner, or ordering from a menu.

I want to eat. That is, I want to see the Bush admin removed from office.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:09 PM
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39. C follows B which comes after A.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:37 PM
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47. The word umbrella's more than one meaning....
Edited on Thu May-17-07 05:38 PM by Breeze54
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-...

impeach

One entry found for impeach.

Main Entry: 1impeach
Pronunciation: im-'pEch
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English empechen, from Anglo-French empecher, enpechier to ensnare,
impede, prosecute, from Late Latin impedicare to fetter, from Latin in- + pedica fetter,
from ped-, pes foot -- more at FOOT

1 a : to bring an accusation against

b : to charge with a crime or misdemeanor;
specifically: to charge (a public official) before a competent tribunal with misconduct in office

c : to remove from office especially for misconduct

2 : to cast doubt on; especially : to challenge the credibility or validity of <impeach the testimony of a witness>

- impeachable /-'pE-ch&-b&l/ adjective

- impeachment /-'pEch-m&nt/ noun

----------------------

I think most people don't say,
"I'm going to eat peas and then I'm going to eat chicken."

They just say, "I'm going to eat supper."

;)
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:20 PM
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40. Please ....please tell me...
Edited on Thu May-17-07 02:21 PM by sellitman
Tell me that "waiting for hope" is a screen name for Nancy Pelosi.


:think:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:56 PM
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41. I've been on the bandwagon for a long time - with open arms -
waiting for YOU!

Welcome, welcome, welcome! There is, however, room for many more.

We just simply HAVE TO IMPEACH. There's no other choice or option available at this point - unless we want history to say things about us that are as embarrassing and disgraceful as what history will be saying about bush and his bunch.

Now get to work, my friend. There are more souls to be saved.

CALL YOUR REPS. CALL SOMEBODY ELSE'S. Preferably a republi-CON or two while you're at it (they need to get a really clear idea of how thin the ice is under their feet). Please note the TOLL FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers conveniently located in my sig line below.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:17 PM
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44. I've known for a long time that they all need to go
I just don't see that impeachment will change a darned thing for the better. The House impeaches, Rove gets a new battle that he can fight, the Senate fails to convict, Bush swaggers around as if he's the MVP of the Superbowl.

In other words, the focus goes off the USA firings and Gonzo's ghoulish behavior in the ICU onto "those mean Dems are just trying to get payback for impeaching Clinton." It's a losing strategy.

If you want to talk about impeaching Gonzo, that's a different story, and I'm with you. You're not going to touch Bush by impeaching him now.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:27 PM
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46. Welcome aboard.
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