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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 11:04 PM
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Arne Duncan's failed Chicago reforms and Rod Paige's "Houston Miracle". Becoming national policy?
Rod Paige became George Bush's education secretary in a great part because of the "Houston Miracle", said to be a basis of NCLB. Trouble is there was no Houston miracle at all, but the damage was already done to our nation's schools.

We became a nation of test-takers then. Now it is getting worse.

From the NYT in 2003:

A Texas Tall Tale

ROBERT KIMBALL, an assistant principal at Sharpstown High School, sat smack in the middle of the ''Texas miracle.'' His poor, mostly minority high school of 1,650 students had a freshman class of 1,000 that dwindled to fewer than 300 students by senior year. And yet -- and this is the miracle -- not one dropout to report!

Nor was zero an unusual dropout rate in this school district that both President Bush and Secretary of Education Rod Paige have held up as the national showcase for accountability and the model for the federal No Child Left Behind law.Westside High here had 2,308 students and no reported dropouts; Wheatley High 731 students, no dropouts. A dozen of the city's poorest schools reported dropout rates under 1 percent.

...A miracle? "A fantasy land," said Dr. Kimball. "They want the data to look wonderful and exciting. They don't tell you how to do it; they just say, Do it." In February, with the help of Dr. Kimball, the local television station KHOU broke the news that Sharpstown High had falsified its dropout data. That led to a state audit of 16 Houston schools, which found that of 5,500 teenagers surveyed who had left school, 3,000 should have been counted as dropouts but were not. Last week, the state appointed a monitor to oversee the district's data collection and downgraded 14 audited schools to the state's lowest rating.


Bill Moyers NOW had a segment in October 2003 featuring Dr. Bob Kimball. David Brancaccio was the interviewer.

Questions about America's new education policy. It's based upon the Houston miracle. But was it all a mirage?

BRANCACCIO: Bob Kimball begins his days before dawn, putting out traffic cones at this elementary school in Houston. After that, it's hustle the kids into the building. Once inside, he'll get ready for his next plum assignment: cafeteria duty. This isn't exactly where 58-year-old Bob Kimball thought he'd be at this point in life. And it's certainly not what you would expect from a Ph.D. and a former army Lieutenant Colonel.

In the opinion of Dr. Kimball and others, he's here because he's a whistleblower. Punishment, he claims, for speaking out…punishment for revealing how the Houston schools were reporting false numbers of dropouts to make themselves look good.

.."BRANCACCIO: Kimball was working for this woman — Principal Carol Wichmann. Kimball says it was what Wichmann told him that made him suspect that the report was false.

KIMBALL: She said, "Well, I was given my instructions when I took over this school that we had too many dropouts, that it was all about paperwork and I had to fix the paperwork."


Manipulating records of special education students.

BRANCACCIO: Dansby and Nguyen began to get suspicious after parents started to complain about their kids being re-classified.. So they looked at the computer records and what they saw shocked them. Here's one printout, which they say shows 100's of students reassigned from normal classes to classes for kids with special needs.

And when they asked administrators about it, they say they were told to tell parents this: that it happened as a result of a computer "glitch" that would eventually be fixed.


Under NCLB schools have to show continual improvement.

BRANCACCIO: That's not only an important question in Houston, but nationally, because now, under the new federal No Child Left Behind law, schools must show continual improvement in the numbers. If they don't, they face potentially costly penalties. And like Houston, school principals could even lose their jobs.

NORIEGA: I think we're heading for a train wreck. My fear is that what we're going to do is we're going to place our education professionals in ethical dilemmas.


Rod Paige led the way in attacking teachers' unions, and that policy has not ended. In fact he called the National Education Association a terrorist organization.

Education Secretary Rod Paige says he chose poor words in calling the nation's largest teachers union a "terrorist organization," but he stands by his claim that the group uses "obstructionist scare tactics" in its fight over the nation's education law.

Paige used the terrorist reference Monday in a private White House meeting with governors while answering a question about the National Education Association, which has 2.7 million members. His words startled members of his audience, triggered outrage from prominent Democrats and deepened the divide between the country's top education official and its largest union.

Paige told The Associated Press in an interview that he made the comment in jest.

"I was making what I now know was a bad joke; it was a poor choice of words," Paige said. "I was referencing the Washington-based organization in general, not teachers."


Trouble is no lessons were learned from the Rod Paige experience. Just as the changes Arne Duncan made in Chicago are being proven to be unsuccessful, his policy is going national.

Many Chicago Charter Schools Run Deficits, Data Shows

Charter schools are publicly funded but often run privately and free from most public school regulations. So when charter schools run deficits, they become the problem of the taxpayer.

Even as the Obama administration promotes charter schools as a way to help raise the academic performance of the nation’s students, half of Chicago’s charter schools have been running deficits in recent years, an analysis of financial and budget documents shows, calling into question their financial viability.

..." But even though Chicago’s charter schools brought in $21 million in private money from foundations, corporations and wealthy individuals in 2007 — the last year for which complete information is available — half have run an average of $700,000 in deficits in recent years, with some of the shortfalls reaching $4 million, according to an analysis of Chicago Public Schools data by Catalyst Chicago, an independent magazine on urban education.

The data showed that two-thirds of the schools could not cover core expenses, like salaries, facilities and overhead, without private money. A third needed private money to fill more than 20 percent of their budgets. A recent study by Ball State University found that Chicago’s charter schools depend far more on private financing than those in other big cities, including Boston, Miami and New York.

Robert Runcie, chief administrative officer for Chicago Public Schools, said the district needed to take a “serious look” at the fiscal health of charters and was developing a system for stricter oversight. Four Chicago charters have been shut down since the 1990s largely because of financial problems.


The test scores are not much better than those of public schools.

Chicago Charter Schools on the Edge

Mayor Daley has politicized his Renaissance 2010 program and charter schools as his saving grace for the Chicago Public School system, but looking at recent reports, it’s only fledgling operation. On state performance reports that are measured by the Prairie State Achievement test scores, charter schools are only barely surpassing traditional schools. In addition, charter schools have been running with budget deficits and have the highest teacher turnover, according to a recent analysis by Catalyst Chicago.

.."The teacher turnover rate for charter schools is also at 25 percent vs. 14 percent for traditional schools, according to a study from the National Center for Education Statistics. The high turnover rate is attributable to the leadership changes within charter schools and the difficulties teachers have with discipline problems in an urban school. Some critics argue though that the turnover rate is a positive because charter schools do not have to deal with unions in regards to keeping poorly performing teachers. Only two charter schools within CPS have teachers who have unionized.


And yet they continue to base our national school "reforms" on these methods of turnarounds and testing and more testing.

Union leaders have vigorously fought charter schools, which they consider privatization of public schools and a way for school districts to abandon their responsibility to children. Charter schools also have mostly nonunion teachers, although teachers at two charters in Chicago have recently formed unions.

President Obama and Education Secretary Arne Duncan, a former Chicago schools chief, view charter schools as a way to spur innovation in public school systems that they say are too resistant to change. States that do not allow charters or restrict their replication jeopardize their chance to receive federal financing, Mr. Duncan said last year. “We want real autonomy for charters,” he said.

Mr. Duncan has also pressed charter operators to take over failing schools under the so-called “turnaround” strategy, which involves replacing the entire staff of existing schools.


Even though there was no miracle in Houston and there appears to be no "Renaissance" of learning in the Chicago reforms.....these methods are still going nationwide. Teachers' unions are still being treated with disrespect, and scores are not going up enough to make it all matter.

Seems there is no requirement for accountability in the "reform" tactics. There is still increased accountability for teachers.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 11:07 PM
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1. Can't cure the system by killing the healers of the children.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 11:24 PM
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2. What have we done? Republicans aren't allowed to pull these scams
Never in a million years...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:22 AM
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7. .. but "New Democrats" and "Corporate Wing DLC-Democrats" can destroy at will --
Edited on Sun Aug-15-10 12:25 AM by defendandprotect
believe me, had I known that Obama described himself as a "New Democrat" I would NOT

have voted for him --

And, I think we need a new Dem candidate in 2012 --

Grayson -- Whitehouse -- Feingold -- I'd love to see one of them take Bernie Sanders

in as VP -- then we'd be going somewhere!!


Let's make sure that Obama is actually appointing Democrats to panels and commissions --

not Republicans!!

I didn't vote for Republicans to run the administration --
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 11:28 PM
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3. always beware politicians trying to improve education...
Edited on Sat Aug-14-10 11:29 PM by JCMach1
:(

It always ends this way... The setup for the next round of failure and more 'political' reform.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:31 AM
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8. Well, there as a time when REFORM actually meant IMPROVE....not deform...!!
That's an up is down idea from the right wing -- both Repugs and DLC/New Dems --

Had I known that Obama described himself as a "New Democrat" I would NOT have voted

for him -- and it's why I wouldn't have voted for DLC Hillary -

Didn't we figure out anything re DLC-corporate wing when Clinton was president?

I voted for a Democratic administration -- not Wall Street to run government-!

And certainly not for Gates and Obama/Duncan to dismantle public education and push

CHARTER schools!!

Bush could have done that -- couldn't he?

And we would have been shouting it down -- !!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 11:47 PM
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4. Many schools have been cheating to look good
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:14 AM
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5. k & r
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:21 AM
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6. Obama/Duncan attacks on public education/teachers/unions is shameful. . . .
STOP moving taxpayer dollars into Charter schools -- !!

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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:50 AM
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9. WTF? Rod Paige resigned in 2004. Duncan called NCLB "toxic".
Edited on Sun Aug-15-10 12:52 AM by johnaries
What does Duncan think of NCLB?
The subsequent item on his agenda will be fixing the Bush Administration's No Child Left Behind law. His opinion of it: "I think we are lying to children and families when we tell children that they are meeting standards and, in fact, they are woefully unprepared to be successful in high school and have almost no chance of going to a good university and being successful."....
....On fixing No Child Left Behind:
As the former leader of Chicago Public Schools, Duncan lived through what he called the unintended consequences of President Bush's No Child Left Behind law. Duncan supports the focus on accountability for student achievement, but he wants to make the law less punitive. "I know there are schools that are beating the odds where students are getting better every year, and they are labeled failures, and that can be discouraging and demoralizing," he says.

Duncan also wants states to adopt academic standards that are more rigorous and aligned with those of other leading nations. "The idea of 50 states doing their own thing doesn't make sense," Duncan says, referring to the current patchwork of standards and tests. "I worry about the pressure because of NCLB to dummy those standards down."

Duncan says he is concerned about overtesting but he thinks states could solve the problem by developing better tests. He also wants to help them develop better data management systems that help teachers track individual student progress. "If you have great assessments and real-time data for teachers and parents that say these are {the student's} strengths and weaknesses, that's a real healthy thing," he says."

http://www.usnews.com/education/articles/2009/02/05/what-arne-duncan-thinks-of-no-child-left-behind.html

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:53 AM
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10. Duncan is calling for more testing. Let's not pretend otherwise.
But Rod Paige was like Duncan picked for supposed success which really was not.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:41 AM
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12. Duncan, under Obama, is actually EXPANDING the worst of NCLB. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 11:30 AM
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14. Yes, he is.
He is calling for more of it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:08 PM
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15. I never thought I'd see the day when NCLB could be reframed as
"the lesser evil."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:55 AM
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11. From 5 down to 2 twice now.
Interesting.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:46 AM
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13. I just added one.
I didn't catch this until this morning.

"Supporting the president" has become like "supporting the troops."

Even if it means defending RTTT and the turnaround model to the bitter end.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8947988
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 12:50 PM
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16. bill ayers retired..
..it`s going to be interesting to see what he`s going to do in the future.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 01:30 PM
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17. What is the point of all this work? Test scores aren't better,
the programs are not financially viable?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 05:31 PM
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19. As far as I can see the only viable point....
is to give private companies a foot in the door. Public education has been something not open enough to privatization, and they have been drooling over it for ages. Now finally...
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 02:12 PM
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18. This Shit Better Stop,
yesterday.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:43 PM
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20. ...
:cry: I am terrified for the future of our public education system.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:05 PM
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21. Not entirely convinced here....
First of all, I couldn't give a rip about Rod Paige since he is not part of the Obama Administration.

Second, the post says that half of charter schools have an average deficit of $700,000 with some as high as $4 million. Rephrased, that means that half of charter schools have no deficits at all, and some have very small deficits compared to a handful that seem to be in deep financial trouble.

Is there someone out there who thinks that public education is over-funded? So I'm not certain that we should be surprised to find Charter Schools are having the same financial difficulties. I'm will to be educated if there's something I'm missing here -- but I fail to see how it's the fault of the charter schools that they're not adequately funded -- any more than it's the fault of the traditional public schools.

And while the results are only marginally better, better is still not worse. Now again I'm will to be educated on this subject -- how long have the charter schools been in existence and is there any realistic chance of their outcomes improving dramatically, or is this as good as it gets? If the cost per pupil is higher and the results are not commensurate with the cost -- and there is no forseeable path toward changing that -- then charter schools have a problem.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:50 PM
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22. Charter schools get public taxpayer money. Public schools lose it.
One of the goals of Arne is to turn failing schools over to private management companies who are loosely regulated or not at all.

They are defunding public education by doing this.

It is making sure that private companies can profit from education.

Chicago charters are not doing good enough to warrant destroying the public schools in the process.

If the charters are supposed to be the saviors of education shouldn't much higher standards be expected?

I have written a lot, a whole lot about it in my journal. But if I quote links to you someone will say I am not presenting links, though the posts are filled with links and research.

So....what can I say?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:31 AM
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25. Very good explanation. eom
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:32 AM
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26. Are the Charter Schools in the Chicago Public system all for-profit?
Edited on Mon Aug-16-10 05:37 AM by Jeff In Milwaukee
As I understand Charter schools, some are run by the school system itself only under their own set of labor rules (sort of the same deal that Saturn had as a subsidiary of GM - the UAW accepted a modified contract for those who worked there), some Charters are run by non-profit organizations -- usually a religious group -- and some are managed by for-profit companies. In some cases the for-profit element is simply a management entity hired to by the non-profit and in some cases the for-profit runs the entire school. I'd be curious to know what the mix is in Chicago and how each type of school performed.

I understand that dollars from public coffers go into charter schools. But I look at it like road contruction. If I have a crew from the county building a road, then public money goes to pay for the public road. But just as often, the county will pay a for-profit construction company to come do the job. As long as I end up with a road at the end of the day, does it matter if the people who built it were public employees or if they worked for a private company?

I totally agree that if you're going to have a Charter School, there should be the expectation that it provides a better educaton than is currently available from the public school system. This isn't about saving money (I don't care if they do it cheaper), this is about improving outcomes. And if Charter Schools can't improve outcomes (and there seems to be a lot of evidence that they don't), then what's the point in wasting our money on them?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:27 AM
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23. You are right; public education is not over-funded.
And now our public schools are having to share what funding they do get with charter schools that are not held accountable equitably. That's the problem. Charters are funded differently and are not held to the same standards. And some are managed by for profit corporations. Some are religious schools.

The cornerstone of our democracy is public education. We should be outraged that our government is using tax dollars to fund schools that selectively admit students and are allowed to fail with no consequences. I don't care if half of them have no deficits. I'm a lot more concerned about the half that DO have deficits and are not being held accountable. It's illegal for a traditional public school district to run its budget in the red. Why do we allow charters to do so??
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:28 AM
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24. I want to be a terrorist again
I'd take Rod Paige back in an instant over Arne.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 06:55 AM
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27. No Shit
What the fuck is going on here??
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