Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I know how to "fix" Social Security

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:03 AM
Original message
I know how to "fix" Social Security
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 04:07 AM by SlipperySlope
The rethuglicans say Social Security is broken because the US Government Bonds that are held in the trust fund are for some reason worthless and can't ever be redeemed.

I say bullshit. And I know how to turn the rethuglicans against themselves.

Social Security should auction it's soon-to-vest bonds to Wall Street banks and only accept cash in payment. The bonds, backed by the full faith and credit of the US government, should sell to Wall Street for close to face value. Then Social Security would hold a trust fund full of cash and be unimpeachable by the rethugs.

And then, you know those "worthless" US Government Bonds? I'm sure the rethugs would be falling all over themselves about what a sacred and holy duty the government had to repay them once they were held by Wall Street banks instead of Social Security.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:22 AM
Response to Original message
1. Trust Fund FAQs
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:25 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. You missed my point...
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 04:28 AM by SlipperySlope
If the SSA sold even some of the bonds to private banks, the whole "they can't really be redeemed" argument of the pugs would just fall apart.

I know, they can't really sell the special-issue bonds, but it just illustrates how corrupt the republicans are on this issue.

Actually though, that gives me a great idea. All that would really have to be done would be for the special-issue bonds to be declared marketable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:31 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. The SSA redeemed $950 billion special issue securities from the trust funds last year. ( n/t )
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. And promptly reissued them
SS is still running a surplus budget which means none of the so-called 'trust' fund has actually been used to fund SS liabilities.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:09 AM
Response to Original message
4. i remember watching something... probably michael moore thing, but
not sure, that talked about how they've been robbing the trust. all those bonds are actually IOUs and that would explain the idea that they are worthless. Remember when gore got brutalized for talking about putting that money in a lockbox to protect it. well in retrospect it wasn't a joke. they've been stealing from it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. they "steal" that money so that they borrow less because of the deficit
so instead of paying even more interest for borrowed money they use the money collected from SS.


The problem is the debt and the deficit.


If we could get back to surpluses then that money could be paid back into the system.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. I remember * himself claiming that all there is are worthless IOUs. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:32 AM
Response to Original message
6. What happens when the supply of a commodity doubles but demand stays the same?
The price collapses.


Second question... what does the Federal reserve do when it wants to take money out of the system and constrict the economy? It sells government securities in exchange for cash. And this move would be many MANY times larger. What would the impact be on the money supply?

Your plan would make the current/recent recession look like a stroll in the park. Sorry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:49 AM
Response to Original message
8. We know what happens to large pools of cash sitting around.
They'll double down on "reform" just to get at it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 04:54 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC