Can somebody convince me Dems won't cave on Bush Tax Cuts?

[European Socialist]

I got that Charlie Brown about to kick the football feeling again.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. They absolutely won't cave on this

until they pragmatically do.

[Orrex]

2. They're probably planning to keep their powder dry. Or something.

[Ken Burch]

9. Yeah...in twenty years, they'll have the powder appraised on THE ANTIQUES ROADSHOW

(Which, by then, will be the only show left on PBS).

[TheWraith]

27. Do you three do anything on DU anymore except flamebait?

Just curious.

[Ken Burch]

30. It was a JOKE...chill.

And YOU can talk about flamebaiting?

[Speck Tater]

3. The Dems will do as always and do what the Republican leadership tells them to do. nt

[scheming daemons]

4. Because the polls show that the Bush Tax cuts for wealthy aren't popular

Democrats are political animals.

Extending the tax cuts for those under $250K, while expiring them for those over $250K... is both good policy AND good politics.


They want to win. The GOP has the unteneble position here, with respect to the majority of voters.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Polls also showed that Americans wanted a public option

How did that turn out?

[RKP5637]

11. I'm still smarting about that one. Why we make health care so damn complicated and

expensive is beyond me. Keeps the insurance mafia happy.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Hope you've contacted your representative and Senator to support Lynn Woolsey's bill

http://washingtonindependent.com/92983/facing-steep-odds-128-house-democrats-revive-the-public-option

[RKP5637]

32. Yes, I did. Thanks n/t

[RKP5637]

7. Yeah, this is what I think too. Anyway, IMO, if trickle down voodoo economics

worked, we wouldn't be in this mess today. I wish the D's would throw more of the R's crap back in their faces most of the time.

[Oregone]

5. No,

[Ken Burch]

8. When they do, the usual bloc of cyber-jerks will be here defending them

And saying that anybody who disagrees with them "wants a pony".

(Of course, they'll say that if we escalate again in Afghanistan next July).

[scheming daemons]

16. When they don't, the poutragers will refuse to acknowledge them for it

[Ken Burch]

21. Moot point, since most of you will.

You all defended every betrayal on the healthcare and finance reform bills. It won't be any different on anything else. No one who didn't stand for principle in the past will start standing for it in the future.

You probably wouldn't even agree that it would be unforgiveable to let the tax cuts for the rich survive.

[scheming daemons]

23. The tax cuts for the wealthy will expire. It's good policy and good politics.

And you might want to clean your crystal ball a little bit, before trying to assume what someone else is thinking.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. Define "cave".

I don't think they will be rolled back for people making under 250K. Over 250K, I think they will. I suspect the estate tax will return, albeit with a higher exemption than there was in 2001.

[European Socialist]

17. Cave= I will not sign any bill that does not include a Public Option.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. No, I mean cave in the context of the topic.

But thanks for your input.

[asdjrocky]

13. Don't look at me.

But hey, I'm sure someone will come along with a really convincing blue link any minute now.

[Bluebear]

14. No.

[MadBadger]

15. Because theyve promised to pay for everything with these Tax Cuts?

[LooseWilly]

18. What Oregone and Bluebear said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8844349&mesg_id=8844377

[Samantha]

19. Tonight on MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnell said extending

the tax cuts would add four trillion dollars to our debt. How long would it take for the Republicans to start harping about Obama adding four trillion dollars to the debt (without mentioning the reason, of course) during this election year? About one minute, if that long.

Extending the tax credits will not add jobs. But these same Republicans who are willing to add four trillion to our debt refuse to extend unemployment benefits to the jobless (a figure that involves billions, not trillions) which does stimulate the economy. This is the absolute hypocrisy of the Republicans and their position on this issue. They cater to three-tenths of one percent, the wealthiest of the population, the super-rich, and to financial hell with the rest.

Sam

[European Socialist]

22. Very logical--Except to the ruling class that calls the shots.

[rucky]

24. All they have to do is absolutely nothing.

But that's no guarantee they won't screw it up.

[Ken Burch]

26. They'll end up saying "we don't have the votes in the Senate to do nothing".

n/t.

[Catherina]

25. Ask not for whom the bells toll. They toll for you and me. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

28. Nope.

I'm absolutely certain that nobody can convince you of anything.

[LAGC]

29. The real question is: when will they raise taxes further?

Letting the tax cuts for the rich expire alone won't close the budget gap.

They'll either need to raise progressive taxes much higher on the rich, or pass a more regressive style tax like the VAT or national sales tax that will hurt the lower-classes the most.

I'm not holding my breath as to what will end up happening. If they're smart, they'll wait until the Republicans regain power so they have to be the ones to raise taxes, as China won't keep buying our debt forever. But I have no doubt who the Republicans will choose to tax hardest.

[proteus_lives]

31. I hope they don't.