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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:01 PM
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400 Chicago teachers laid off this week. Union says hire them back before hiring TFA recruits.
This is not just a problem in Chicago, but it is happening all over the country. Schools are laying off experienced teachers while hiring new ones through private companies like Teach for America and New Teacher Project. While hiring a teacher locally would be free and would put those teachers back to work, hiring from companies like TFA means the district pays them to recruit teachers...$2000 and upwards.

The new union leadership in Chicago speaks out about this.

CTU warns no new teacher hires until laid off hired back.

The Chicago Teachers Union called on the Chicago Public School system to rehire laid-off teachers before hiring any new ones. CPS begins its budget talks on Friday.

..."Mrs. Lewis demanded that as the CTU joins CPS for budget talks to begin July 23, 2010, these teachers be the first hired before any new hires, including Teach for America novices, are considered.

UPDATE (7/22): Four hundred teachers and 200 educational support personnel will lose their jobs this week in the first round of CPS layoffs.


Here is much more about this first wave of Chicago teacher layoffs at the Chicago Sun-Times.

400 CPS teachers to get the ax this week

It has begun. The first round of the long-anticipated, school-based layoffs by Chicago Public Schools to deal with a record $370 million budget deficit will claim 600 staffers by week's end.

Notices began going out Wednesday to 400 classroom teachers and 200 educational support personnel, a CPS official said. The 600 represent staff at about 200 Track E elementary schools that start their year earlier than most schools, on Aug. 10. The notifications -- actually confirmations of the layoff-possibility notices CPS and other districts were required by law to have sent teachers earlier this summer in the face of an Illinois cash crunch -- come as the district and Chicago Teachers Union prepare for budget talks that start Friday.

On the same day the notices went out, CTU President Karen Lewis issued a statement calling on CPS to commit to hiring back before any new teachers 239 "citywide" teachers not formally attached to classrooms who were fired June 30.

Harkening to CPS Chief Ron Huberman's 2010 back-to-school slogan, "Show up! First Day and Every Day," Lewis said: "I hope Mr. Huberman sends the same message to his Human Capital department. ... We demand fully certified, highly qualified teachers in every classroom 'First Day and Every Day,' and we plan to help students and schools get just that."


As is true in other cities, Chicago seems to have deals with Teach for America to pay them to recruit new teachers for the city.

Investigating Teach for America

Last summer, Boston Teachers Union President Richard Stutman met with 18 local union presidents, “all of whom said they’d seen teachers laid off to make room for TFA members,” according to an article in USA Today. “I don’t think you’ll find a city that isn’t laying off people to accommodate Teach for America,” Stutman said.

In the Charlotte-Mecklenburg district, for instance, the superintendent laid off hundreds of veteran teachers but spared 100 TFA-ers. TFA, meanwhile, expanded into Dallas this fall, bringing in nearly 100 new teachers, even though the district had laid off 350 teachers in the 2008-09 school year.
In Boston, where the district planned to lay off 20 veteran teachers and replace them with TFA corps members, the union filed a complaint. The state’s Division of Labor Relations determined in early October that “the likelihood existed that the Boston School Committee violated the union contract when signing an agreement” with TFA, according to the Boston Globe.

More recently, in Washington, D.C., former TFA corps member and current Schools Chancellor Michelle Rhee laid off 229 teachers in October, but only six of the 170 TFA teachers in the system, according to the Washington Post.

There is also growing tension between schools of education and TFA over jobs for new teachers. The College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, for example, graduates about 300 certified teachers a year. The graduates, especially elementary teachers, are increasingly having difficulty finding jobs in the Chicago schools. “One reason is the number of jobs committed to Teach for America and similar programs, which have arrangements with the Chicago public schools,” notes Victoria Chou, dean of the College of Education.


Glad to see the teachers' union speaking out about this. It was ignored for way too long.

Teach for America has asked congress to give them 50 million dollars this year, and that would be in addition to the $2000 the local districts pay TFA plus the salaries. Pretty cushy deal.

Why pay a private company 50 million of public money to recruit new teachers when so many teachers are being laid off?

And why are not more people upset about this new trend?

There is a good old-fashioned way of recruiting and hiring teachers. It's by having principals or school boards interview them in person and decide they are fit for the job. That's how I got my job as a teacher a long time ago. That's how our district has always hired teachers.

But now a private company called Teach for America is now a part of Americorps, and they receive public money to furnish teachers to schools. Now they are about to get 50 million more.


At the Great Schools for America Website there is a rundown of the letters to Tom Harkin asking for TFA to be given the money, and more about TFA. There is a complete list of the Democrats who signed the letters to Harkin. It's a huge list.

The list is so long it makes me wonder if they even know they are giving this money to a company that is replacing experienced teachers who are laid off?

I have been watching to see if TFA got the 50 million. The only thing I have found indicates they will have to settle for 20 million of taxpayer money this year. This editorial from the Philadelphia Inquirer is upset they did not get more and calls it a worthy program. I disagree. I think hiring teachers locally through interview and resume' is better. Nobody asked me what I think, and nobody cares.

Tardy money

Congress had been dragging its feet about including the program in the fiscal 2011 budget until last week, when the House Appropriations Committee earmarked $20 million for it. That's an increase from the $18 million noncompetitive grant TFA received this year.

Instead of directly funding Teach for America, President Obama has proposed letting it compete with other applicants for funds from $235 million set aside for initiatives to recruit and prepare teachers to work at some of the nation's worst schools.

Obama's plan has merit, but Teach for America, which also depends on private grants and other donations, argues that it would be difficult for it to do its long-range planning if it had to compete that way for federal funding.

Even with direct funding, Teach for America, which had requested a $50 million federal allocation, will have to scale back its plans for this year. Corporations and foundations that support the program should step up to help fill the budget gap.


One more step on the road to privatizing education. Privatizing the hiring of teachers is a huge push forward in controlling the agenda. It is meant to hire cheaper teachers, get rid of tenure, and to place the less trained teachers in the poorest most poverty stricken schools.

Let me know in a few years how that worked out.

We already knew it was happening when Mayor Bloomberg who has total control of NYC schools got 5 million to hire new recruits while laying off thousands.

Bloomberg calls for no teacher raises, while city gets 5 million to recruit new teachers.

NYC recruits through the New Teacher Project.

Of course this $5 million expenditure is going to the New Teacher Project, a "non-profit" founded by Joel Klein crony Michelle Rhee, so really this expenditure is less about hiring new teachers and more about paying off cronies.

The DOE has also hired eight new deputy chancellors, continues to spend millions on new testing programs, and hand out no-bid contracts for busing services and the like (even with gangsters who bring guns to the negotiations.)

The City Council gave 4% raises to its staff, Bloomberg gave raises to his staff, and he gave bonuses to his campaign people (albeit, this money came from his own pocket.)

With all this money going from hand to hand, there IS money to AVERT layoffs even if the state and the feds do not give more money to the city. They just have to reallocate it from other things - like the testing programs, the no-bid contracts, the new deputy chancellor hires, and the payoffs to cronies.


They are hitting education from all sides now. Teachers are finally waking up and realizing what is happening.

Trouble is since the Bush agenda is being accomplished through a Democratic administration, there is no party left to oppose.


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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:05 PM
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1. TFA recruits actually cost *more* than new teachers hired through the usual avenues.
& with their high turnover, these higher costs come due over & over.

which puts the lie to their "saving money" rationalizations for firing current teachers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 03:44 PM
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12. It makes no sense in terms of real education, only in terms of profit
And that is just sad.
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:47 PM
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28. They really are saving money
No pensions, Less pay.


The average TFA teachers leaves after 2 or 3 years and don't have a masters. Which means a lot fewer salary increases.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:52 PM
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29. hiring them over & over at the increased rate = extra money.
they cost more than regular new teachers. by some thousands.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:15 AM
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30. Translation:
The less money we spend on our children's future the more we have to spend on ourselves. I cannot say how asinine I find that philosophy to be.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:09 PM
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3. And Chicago eats its seed corn. nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:17 PM
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4. ....There are no words.
:mad: :mad: :puke: :spank: :spank: :grr: :nuke: :cry: :banghead:

Thank you MadFloridian, for this post.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:25 PM
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5. I see the unreccers have begun visiting
5 recs. Then I added mine.

Result: 5 recs
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:31 PM
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8. Profit Over People 'Dems' ... n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:33 PM
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9. I actually watched when it hit 5.....because of the contest
here to see who can unrec first. It was on Greatest, then taken off at once when it went back down to 4.

I don't post to get recs, but the mindless unreccing really gets to me.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 08:01 PM
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23. Be proud! I know I am tickled pink by my DU stalkers, They would not bother
unless they were scared.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:28 PM
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6. *Sigh* K&R. eom
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:30 PM
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7. My neighbor is one of these new teachers at a charter school.
A young dingbat with no teaching training or skills who, until she got this job, was a tour guide at a museum. It's all gravy for her since she god a 10,000 dollar boost in pay and daddy paid for her house and car anyway so she doesn't care if she is paid peanuts.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 01:41 PM
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10. Charters *heart* rookies
It's not the youthful exhuberance.

It's the $$$!

Bill Gates is full of shit.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:09 PM
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25. Tell me about it. I've been sayin that since day 1. n/t
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:19 PM
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11. This makes me want to vomit
How long before public colleges of education don't exist, in favor of TFA programs and the like?

And the worst part is, we (the colleges of ed) are contributing to our own demise through fast-track programs that illegitimate the profession.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:53 PM
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36. We are going back toward feudal days...
soon only the rich and the priests will be educated.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 04:14 PM
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13. 400 and 200 in THE FIRST ROUND.
How many rounds will there be?

My heart breaks for my colleagues in Chicago.

I hope the community backs the union.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:32 PM
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14. I think about 1200 or more before it is over.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:19 PM
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22. This truly grieves me.
When that many are laid off, when everyone is cutting budgets and tightening belts, there won't be jobs out there for them.

What will they do? :(
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:37 PM
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15. Same thing here but on a much smaller scale
I'd like for parents here on DU to tell us if they'd rather have an experienced teacher or a TFA teach their children. Especially the ones who support the president's education policies.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:41 PM
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16. The real cost of Teach for America
A new look at Teach for America
By Valerie Strauss | July 11, 2010

Around the country today thousands of young Teach for America recruits are getting a crash course in how to teach students in low-income urban and rural schools, a job they have promised to do for the next two years.

<snip>

They conclude:
*More than 50 percent of Teach for America teachers leave after two years and more than 80 percent leave after three years.
-Teach for America proponents say that the program is aimed not only at supplying teachers to needy schools but also improving the teacher labor supply and shaping individuals who will care about education in their future jobs on Wall Street, in Washington, or elsewhere outside the classroom.

*Studies indicate that students of novice Teach for America teachers perform significantly less well in reading and math than those of credentialed beginning teachers.

*Most studies find that those Teach for America teachers who stay long enough to become fully credentialed (typically after two years) appear to do about as well as other similarly experienced cedentialed teachers in teaching reading, and do as well as, and sometimes better than, a comparison group in teaching math. The study said it is difficult to know if that is a result of additional training and experience or from attrition of less effective Teach for America teachers.

<snip>

"While the small number who stay this long are sometimes found to be more effective in mathematics than other teachers, their attrition rate of more than 80 percent means that few students receive the benefit of this greater effectiveness, while districts pay the costs of high attrition. In addition, TFA provides only a (small) fraction of America’s teachers to a small number of America’s schools, and likely has little to no impact outside of its participating schools. Unless it starts admitting larger swaths of college seniors and potentially watering down the quality of its corps members, it will not ever comprise more than a small fraction of America’s teachers.

<snip>

It recommends that policymakers and school districts:

*Support Teach for America staffing only when the alternative hiring pool consists of uncertified and emergency teachers or substitutes.

*Consider the significant recurring costs of Teach for America, estimated at over $70,000 per recruit, and press for a five-year commitment to improve achievement and reduce re-staffing.

*Invest strategically in evidence-based educational reform options that build long-term capacity in schools.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/teachers/...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:43 AM
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33. Good article. Thanks for the link.
:hi:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:58 PM
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38. unreal...
I would think a classically trained teacher is still "getting a feel for it" in there second year, and these basically untrained people only last that long. I feel sorry for the next generation. I had a good public education, and have watched us trash that system since Reagan.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:44 PM
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17. K&R
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:01 PM
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18. This administration just keeps giving
gomer norquist icy little bits of happiness. Children cheated. Tax dollars wasted. Teachers screwed. But newt and grover are so happy.

Would I need a sarcasm thingie if I said:"Yeah, I was hoping ronnie's school plans would go into effect. Yeah. That's why I voted for Obama."
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:10 PM
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21. The objectives are clear it seems to me, very sad indeed Jake. n/t
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:11 AM
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57. The corporatization of our schools would go nowhere without the full involvement and support of Dems
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 10:12 AM by Doremus
This issue, more than any other, has shown me just how far our government has descended into fascism. Public education has been a Democratic cause forever. That they are now eager participants in its demise is proof positive that our party no longer exists. How soon before the country collapses into the brittle shell that's been sucked dry by the insatiable forces of fascism is the only unknown at this point.

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:04 PM
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19. Another sad K&R. //nt
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Shireling Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:04 PM
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20. Corporate Takeover
and such a waste of money.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 08:05 PM
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24. Two word explanation: "pension crisis". These sub teachers will never collect a pension.
States and local governments are just now realizing that a whole lot of teachers who were hired to educate baby boomers and baby boomers kids are going to expect to collect on the pensions they were promised. States and local governments would rather continue to give tax breaks to corporations which move into their area (often bringing in their own employees so no new jobs are created locally) than meet their obligation to teachers. That is because the new business will write the local politicians a check. The retired teachers will not.

It is all about greed and corruption.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 10:13 PM
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26. I rec'd earlier today.
Here's a kick for the night hawks.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 11:31 PM
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27. Make it a double.
:kick: :kick:
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 09:41 AM
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31. The Democratic Party has become
a subsidiary of the likes of Microsoft and Goldman Sachs, two of its largest contributors. The Democrats support for privatizing public education aims at destroying my career, taking the food of my table and putting my family in the street. Unlike middle class conservatives, I will not vote against my own interests. I will not support, contribute to, work for or otherwise aid and abet the Tweedledum/Tweedledee corporate political oligarchy that rules this country any longer. I gave money, pounded the streets knocking on doors, worked the phones and persuaded others to do the same to elect Barak Obama. I am ashamed at how blind and naive I was to do that. I am at the point where should I discover that Barak Obama were indeed an angel from heaven I'd be on the side of the devils. :evilfrown:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:00 PM
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39. one day soon...
only the wealthy will be able to afford an education.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:40 AM
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56. Isn't that the goal? nt
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 09:48 AM
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32. In Chicago they are laying off the problem teachers first
You know, the dull, the drunkards etc.

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:09 PM
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34. I'm curious.
How many years of school does the Amish community typically allow their children to attend?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 01:37 PM
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51. I have no idea. I'm not amish.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:11 PM
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35. TFA is a "private company"? NT
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:58 PM
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37. Link.
Start about a third of the way down, read the rest of it. Can only quote a few paragraphs because of copyright.

Be careful of the words private and public when it comes to education. Some charters call themselves non-profit and public when in reality they are anything but.

http://weblog.liberatormagazine.com/2010/05/investigating-teach-for-america.html

"Peter Downs, president of the elected school board, summarizes TFA’s role in one word: “privatization.” He says that the mayor, not the district, first invited TFA to St. Louis, in line with reforms such as for-profit charters and the privatization of services in curriculum development, teacher recruitment, maintenance, and food service. As part of its contract with TFA, the district pays $2,000 a year to TFA for each of its recruits. (The elected board has no power because the state took over the St. Louis schools; the mayoral appointee to the new three-person board is a former regional staff person for Teach for America.)

St. Louis provided a window on many of the complexities of Teach for America at the local level, but didn’t answer the question of TFA’s national role. So I interviewed others across the country, and also Googled, phoned, and emailed, acquiring reams of studies, reports, and articles on TFA. Which is how I came to find out about two of TFA’s newest initiatives: Teach for All and Leadership for Education Equity.

Teach for All is a global network of like-minded organizations, launched in 2007 to replicate TFA in countries ranging from Argentina to Estonia, from Australia to Germany. Leadership for Education Equity (LEE) was founded in 2008 to provide a vehicle for political work and campaigning.

LEE appears to be crucial to another aspect of Teach for America’s strategy: TFA’s ambitions in shaping the country’s education policy agenda and encouraging alumni to run for office. My surprise at the media silence around LEE was outdone only by my amazement at LEE’s lack of public transparency."

I am sure I did not answer your question enough. The mantra here now is that more explanation seldom matters.

I go by what companies are doing, not what they call themselves esp. right now in the field of education.




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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:30 PM
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40. "record $370 million budget deficit "
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 01:36 PM by barb162
Anyone got any solutions?

I was recently listening to the head of the CTU trying to explain why 99% of the teachers were rated exceptional and 1% below par. :eyes: And once they get tenured, forget about trying to get rid of them. As a student in the Chicago public schools I 'd say about 20% were excellent or exceptional. I saw tenured teachers sleeping at their desks and they were back the next year doing the same thing.

That doesn't mean TFAs would be any different. The reading and math scores and dropout rates in Chicago are terrible...the system isn't working.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:38 PM
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42. Yes, many here have seen and heard about only bad, very bad, teachers.
This is the place to bash public school teachers now.

And the Bush plans for education are almost complete....with a Democratic WH and Congress.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:08 PM
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45. I'd agree with you with one caveat
It's perfectly acceptable to bash LOUSY teachers, whether in the private or public sector.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:12 PM
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46. Are you avoiding the teensy litltle deficit ? 340 million isn't chicken doo
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 03:10 PM
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47. All is going as it has been planned for years.
If there is no money for public "anything"...schools, Social Security, only wars....then it can all be turned over to private business. Helped along by a lot of propaganda.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:47 PM
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43. "I saw tenured teachers sleeping at their desks"
Poor thing, you really had some bad experiences.

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:06 PM
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44. Should I take that response that you defend some of these tenured clowns
Really, some of these tenured teachers haven't taught a damned thing in years. Better to give that job to an eager teacher who has some teaching ability. And by the way, I have direct experience with the Chiago CTU situation...how about you?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 03:10 PM
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48. Take it however you like. I got your number...
and I say goodby.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:15 PM
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50. I have a M.Ed, and taught for ten years. I saw MANY teachers who had no business in the classroom.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:26 AM
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61. Same degree; similar (I wouldn't say "many") observations. But guess what? En masse firings WOULD
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 10:27 AM by WinkyDink
INCLUDE YOU.

And I was there 30 years, not a mere ten.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:14 PM
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49. Thanks Barb. I've posted the same thing, but apparently teacher's jobs are untouchable.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 02:11 PM
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52. Teachers' jobs are not untouchable. That is propaganda of the worst kind.
They can already be fired or removed for good reason. Even those with tenure.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 03:37 PM
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53. I've never seen a teacher, tenured or not, sleeping at his or her desk.
I couldn't imagine trying to sleep at my desk on the worst day of the year. My students keep me on my feet. :D

I have seen tenured teachers fired for incompetence. But then, perhaps my experience is a little broader than yours.

Frankly, I don't think students are qualified to evaluate whether or not a teacher is excellent, exceptional, or not.

Not that a student's experience isn't important. It is. My broader experience shows me, though, that most teachers have some students that think they are excellent, some that think they are okay, some that think they are poor, some that think they're awful, and some that just don't care. What one student and family love, another doesn't, and vice versa.

That's why teachers need to be evaluated on professional competencies, not subjective anecdotes.

Are you trying to say that CTU teachers are judged on a scale that has nothing between "exceptional" and "below par?" If so, no wonder so many got "exceptional." There was no more appropriate rating for adequate performance that didn't meet "exceptional."

If not, then I doubt very much that 99% of them were rated "exceptional."

It's not unusual, nor surprising, though, that not many teachers are rated "below par." First of all, the process involved in becoming licensed is rigorous enough to weed out many who will not be suited. Statistically, half of new teachers quit within 5 years. I think we could keep more of those new teachers with a better system of support to get them through those first years, but I also think that some of that 50% are those that aren't suited for the job.

Second, the percentage of teachers who are rated "below par" can vary quite a bit between regions. Places that have a hard time attracting teachers are going to end up with more "below par" than those that don't.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:25 AM
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60. Really? Ever wonder why your PRINCIPAL didn't write up those teachers? He was INCOMPETENT.
How about complaining about HIM (or her, but I doubt that)?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:30 PM
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41. dupe
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 01:31 PM by barb162
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:33 AM
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54. I thought that TFA was intended to be a kind of CCC for teaching -
not to replace working teachers but to funnel new teachers to underserved areas which have historically poor teacher retention.

WTF?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:39 AM
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55. How is this any different from what Rayguns did to the pilots?
We know how well that worked out for us.

Some days I just don't see any hope at all. :cry: for teachers....
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:18 AM
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58. See
I completely understand "letting bad teachers go" but 400 seems like over-the-top. You're probably letting go very good teachers go and likely to replace them with bad teachers. I can't imagine with 400 open slots that bad teachers are not going to get hired. Plus the criteria they use is not useful imo.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:21 AM
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59. Public money for private gain. Gotta love it! America! We're #1! USA! USA!
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