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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:37 PM
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Posted to Twitter about 9 hours ago from WikiLeaks
http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/18785390278

Real change begins Monday in the WashPost. By the years end, a reformation. Lights on. Rats out.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:43 PM
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1. I need a better decoder ring. -eom
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:46 PM
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2. ???
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:52 PM
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3. I'll just wait til Monday
Fresh Air on NPR interviewed a reporter who had done an article on WikiLeaks and the founder.....I'm interested to see what will happen.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:19 AM
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9. Will you report on what you find?
Just in case life gets in the way and I forget to check on it?
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:50 AM
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12. See my reply below about the Washington Post
I meant to reply to you, but the caffeine supply has not been recharged this morning....
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:04 AM
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4. I don't get it!
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 12:14 AM
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5. He reveals info given to him from whistleblowers.
http://wikileaks.org/

Supposedly he has a number of documents from the US military.... that may be what he's releasing. It could be something else altogether.

Like I said. I'll wait til Monday.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:01 AM
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6. Interesting
It would be great if this Wikileak tweet referenced the release of documents/video that would blow the lid off all of the illegal practices of the Bush WH and that their imminent release was what caused Cheney to have his last heart attack. Well, one can certainly hope.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:31 AM
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8. +1000
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:47 AM
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11. If it's in the Washington Post and it's from WikiLeaks, trust me, you'll be reading about it on DU
Some folks here have been waiting on this for a while.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:51 AM
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13. BTW Welcome to DU! n/t
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 02:22 AM
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7. What's the frequency, Kenneth?
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:45 AM
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10. Ahhh... I think you have stumbled upon something.....n/t
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:04 AM
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14. Could this be it?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:36 PM
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15. My gut feeling about this is that, as with the Fitzgerald investigation and failure to
prosecute Cheney*, it is the remnant temblor of a geological event deep within our very, very, VERY secretive government, and we will never know what has really occurred or why, nor will it in any way restore our shredded democracy. We, the sovereign people of this country, are left to guess at what is really going on and who is really running things. My guess, in this case--especially considering the involvement of the Washington Post (a CIA copy and paste operation, not really a newspaper)--is that these disclosures about private intelligence contractors are an outward sign of an internal war that Rumsfeld-Cheney started with the CIA, and that the "old CIA" (Daddy Bush, Leon Panetta, et al) is trying to make a comeback. Either way we will continue to be massively fleeced for secret operations that we, as a people, have no control over whatsoever. The revelations may help the "old CIA" cut off some of Bush-Cheney's vulture talons within the intelligence 'industry,' but this won't result in open government, democracy and truth prevailing. It's kind of like the MIC ousting Rumsfeld*, then refunding the horrible war on Iraqis. opening new fronts in the war on Afghanis, and instigating the Great Looting of September 2008 (needed for, among other things, a continued supply of jobless "cannon fodder" for the Forever War).

Gut feelings can be wrong, even if they are accompanied by well-educated guessing. I admit that this is just a feeling, although it is based on a lot of experience, research, study and citizen activism and concern, over a life time. It is very understandable to keep wishing for the "Great Disclosure" that is going to topple the corporate/war profiteer junta that rules over us--and it is totally laudable to keep working toward that end, as emptywheel has done. And, granted, INFORMATION--that is, true information (not the disinformation that is our peoples' steady diet)--is the first requirement for the kind of thorough political revolution that is needed in the USA. But what I am saying is that this is--or likely is--the kind of partial information that can keep our people stupid. It's comparable to "Watergate" (which the Washington Pest was also involved in). It is the PERMITTED disclosures.

I will also grant this--that it MAY BE better for the "old CIA" to be back in charge, rather than elements of Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans-in-exile". May be. But "better" is a highly relative term. "Better" is not "real change" when we are talking about the "military-industrial complex" cauldron of corruption. "Better" likely merely means aversion of utter catastrophe--say, U.S.-instigated, planetary, nuclear armageddon starting in the Middle East, or, say, the rest of the world finally having had it with our MIC and declaring economic and "hot" war on us; or more ecological/economic/warfare meltdowns of various kinds, with those pulling the strings laughing all the way to their secret banks, and the U.S. disintegrating into rubble, circa 5th Century A.D., Rome.

"Better" is not the sovereign people of this country back in control of their country. "Better" is not democracy restored. In this case, "better" is just more of the same, with all of the same perils of massively unjust war, massive looting and massive crime and malfeasance at the top constantly threatening. "Better" is Daddy Bush and his ilk.

That's my read on what the Washington Psst might be up to: preservation of the current order by purging a few of its rogue elements.

I will believe that "real change" could begin "in the WashPost" when they start telling people about ES&S, which just bought out Diebold and thus acquired an 80% monopoly of the U.S. voting machine 'market,' which is now entirely run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls--ES&S, which has far rightwing connections that would make your hair stand on end (worse than Diebold, much worse). THAT would be "real change." Yet another Washington "scandal"--in which the heads of the masterminds will never roll--is not "real change."

Call me a cynic but really I am not. I followed the Fitzgerald investigation closely, as I did the ouster of Rumsfeld and the de-fanging of Cheney in 2006. These were the outward signs of an inner counter-putsch that did nothing to restore democracy and much to promote the illusion of it. Some of the players are not gamesters--some are sincere--but it is nevertheless a game, and one in which we, the people, are not privy to the rules, and have no power whatsoever, not even the power any more to SEE our votes counted in public view. We, the people, are the ones being played. And we, the people, are the only ones who can change this landscape of corruption. The Washington Past no more wants "real change" than the Pope wants women priests.

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*(I continue to believe that Rumsfeld was the true mastermind of the Plame/Brewster-Jennings outings, and that is why he was ousted and Cheney was not. Cheney was handling the P.R./political end of it; Rumsfeld was the operational mastermind. That may also be why Junior and Cheney agreed to ousting Rumsfeld--as part of a deal that put "impeachment off the table." Rumsfeld was running the war against the "old CIA." Rumsfeld was the main perp and target of the CIA. He had to go--or no deal. Daddy Bush's involvement, through the Iraq Study Group (of which Leon Panetta was a member) was mainly to save Junior's ass from CIA retaliation. The ISG formed a coalition with the military brass who opposed Rumsfeld's plan to nuke Iran, and, behind the scenes, with the "Blue Dog" Democrats 'winning' Congress as the front for this "change," Rumsfeld, his attack on Iran and whatever other plans he had (martial law here?) went away. The "old CIA" is now back in charge, but shakily, with billion dollar, U.S. tax funded PRIVATE intelligence entities still pursuing private profit from war, possibly in a Rumsfled-run network. When we look specifically at an event like the rightwing coup in Honduras, we certainly see APPARENT confusion--the U.S. at odds with itself, the Pentagon and Jim DeMint (SC-Diebold) seeming to act independently, Obama saying one thing, Clinton doing another, etc. The result, a grandscale mess for Obama throughout Latin America. Could this be rogue OSP elements, carrying out Rumsfeldian plans and working in opposition to the White House, with Hillary doing really lame damage control, leaving Honduras a broken democracy? I've judged Obama and Clinton very harshly about Honduras, but I also still think that Rumsfeldian chaos agents could have been at work with operatives in the Pentagon, the U.S. embassy, Congress and in other places, to foil a good outcome (restoration of President Zelaya as Brazil and most of Latin America wanted). It may be situations like this, writ even larger and even worse, in places like Afghanistan, that have prompted the re-installed "old CIA" to try to get U.S. policy back in more singular, unified control--but not in the control of "the people," of course. )

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