Beck: Jesus Conquered Death But If He Hadn’t, He Would ‘Make the Jews Pay’ for Killing Him

[babsbunny]

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/07/15/beck-jews-killed-jesus/

Jon Ponder | Jul. 15, 2010

“This is kind of complex, because Jesus did identify with the victims. But Jesus was not a victim. He was a conqueror…Jesus conquered death. He wasn’t victimized. He chose to give his life….If he was a victim, and this theology was true, then Jesus would’ve come back from the dead and made the Jews pay for what they did. That’s an abomination.”

Of course, right up front — if you believe the story of Jesus, the Gospels are unequivocal about who had Jesus put to death: the Italians. Here’s Elizabeth Dias in Time Magazine:

[Rex]

1. Err..hey Beckbrain, how did Jesus 'give his life' if he conquered death?

You don't call a mulligan AFTER the facts...Beck is about to lose it royally, so sayeth Me.

[SnakeEyes]

24. According to Christian theology...

Jesus chose to accept his punishment, despite being sinless, even though he could work miracles and had the power to save himself if he chose. He died via crucifixion and then rose from the dead, "conquered death", on the third day which Christians later celebrated on a hijacked pagan holiday called Easter.

[Rex]

31. well if he ain't around to brag about conquering death then it

ain't much of a victory imo. Everyone just keep a sharp eye out for a dude on a white horse flying down from the sky...Glen still is about to go bonkers soon, even if Jesus wept.

[burnsei sensei]

2. The understanding of Christianity

the statement reflects indicates that Beck's is a religion that privileges the powerful and consigns the weak to supposedly harmless contempt.
His messiah is not Christ, but Friedrich Nietzsche.
I have often said that Mormons owe much more of their religion and ideology to Nietzsche than to Jesus Christ, and I mean it.
Many of my friends have cringed when I've said that, but I mean it. I've observed these people closely, and there is nothing that separates Glenn Beck from the typical conformist Mormon bully. Create a society of them and you've got much, but not all, of the culture of Salt Lake City and Utah itself.
For him, a redeeming God doesn't exist, a vengeful one does.
One might as well say he worships the devil.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. If so, their reading of Nietszche is as deficient as their reading of the Bible

Unless it's the dumb pop Nietzsche that has circulated as "Nietzsche" in American culture among know-nothings and idiots.

[burnsei sensei]

22. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Perhaps you could juxtapose the two and make something clear.

[LWolf]

3. OMG

[foxfeet]

6. I have more sympathy for Wile E. Coyote. nt

[LWolf]

10. I always did, too.

But...what a train wreck. He gets his ACME Bible propaganda kit in the mail, happily assembles it, gloating gleefully, and promptly falls off the cliffs of sanity with it.

Ouch. Will he give up, and go hunt down a few rats? No. He'll be back again tomorrow, with some new disaster ready to go.

I can at least enjoy watching him fall off cliffs, eat dust, have massive boulders crush him, and watch him blow himself up trying to increase his level of psychopathy a little more every day.

[saltpoint]

4. Glenn have very funny theology. Not follow well

the gospel message. Confuse many stupid people.

[MineralMan]

5. Beck, you moron!

That is all.

[MineralMan]

7. Wait...so does this mean that Beck is pro-Palestine?

I'm just so confused.

[ck4829]

9. Religion: The only arena where you can scream and even attack people for people dying 2000 years ago

Has anyone been blamed just this century because Julius Caesar was murdered?

Organized religion is like the Hatfield-McCoy family feud, except with it, the people who are fighting think they are fighting on a cosmic scale.

If you took the religious argument out of what Glenn Beck said, he would have been committed to a psychiatric facility.

[Arugula Latte]

38. Another thing that makes religion so utterly ridiculous

is the focus on the last 2,000 years. If the history of the universe were compressed into one Earth calendar year, that time span represents a few seconds before midnight to midnight on December 31st...Such narrow little minds focusing solely on that.

[On the Road]

11. Well, He Would Have Made the ROMANS Pay

and in fact predicted that he would do just that, although the drift of his comments has by and large gotten lost due to anti-Semitic interpretation.

According to Mark, Jesus said to his Roman captors: "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Mark 14:62)

As the Old Testament references make clear (eg Daniel 7:13), the image of the Son of Man coming on the clouds is one of judgment of the wicked and vindication of the righteous. While Jesus may have been equally angry at Romans and at their Jewish collaborators, the righteous he intended to save were pretty much all Jewish.

So Glen Beck is taking the antiquated anti-Semitic interpretation and not thinking through the original context.

[Canuckistanian]

12. "The Italians"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. The ignorance is staggering, isn't it?

Ay yay yay.

[peekaloo]

36. Hyman Roth played that one beautifully.

:hide:

[Ruby the Liberal]

13. Glenn Beck's religion also teaches that the garden of eden/cradle of civilization is in

Independence, Missouri.

:shrug:

[rurallib]

15. And they haven't turned it into a theme park?

[unhappycamper]

35. Not at Harry Truman's Library, I hope. n/t

[Radical Activist]

14. So it sounds like he does not blame Jews for killing Jesus.

I'll need to see it in context if I'm to interpret it differently.

[Zhade]

16. It's just a myth, Beck. Like your intelligence, as demonstrated by your comment.

NT!

[madrchsod]

17. beck is into extreme Mormon fundamentalism....

the only difference between beck and the extreme islamic fundamentalists is beck does`t have an army......yet

[Stevenmarc]

19. Well if Beck wrote a gospel, Jesus would own an all you can eat Loaves and Fish's franchise

[GodlessBiker]

20. So if jebus remained dead, he would have made the Jews pay? How can a dead man do anything?

This man is very confused.

[HawkerHurricane]

28. Zombie attack?

I got nothing better.

[RagAss]

21. At this point folks, we really have to start wondering if our side is paying this dude.

[SnakeEyes]

23. I think what is leading to some confusion

Is the quote being part of a larger context and his use of the words "this theology." I saw a video of this segment on youtube. The first part below is about traditional Christianity, Jesus being sinless, being a miracle worker and could have saved himself if he chose and all that stuff:

“This is kind of complex, because Jesus did identify with the victims. But Jesus was not a victim. He was a conqueror…Jesus conquered death. He wasn’t victimized. He chose to give his life…."

This next part and "this theology" was referring back to what came earlier in his rant, liberation theology (though he got the group responsible for Jesus' death wrong):

"If he was a victim, and this theology was true, then Jesus would’ve come back from the dead and made the Jews pay for what they did. That’s an abomination.”

[MadMaddie]

25. WOW! Just WOW!

[marmar]

26. In a different time and place, this asshole would have been a willing gas chamber attendant.....

nt

[Danger Mouse]

27. Really Jesus was totally ripped and carried two rocket launchers at a time...

he just chose to be all meek and stuff.

Right.

I mean, why even read the bible, when you can make it up as you go along? I THOUGHT there was a whole bunch of stuff about peace and love in there, but I must have missed the parts with a roided-up Jesus screaming 'FUCK YEAH!' while crushing beer cans against his head.

[JonLP24]

34. I remember

several months ago, probably over a year, I saw a portion of a Glen Beck episode. In that episode he said (paraphrasing), I don't think of Jesus as the long hair hippy that I(Glen) can beat up. He goes on to say that he thinks of Jesus as someone who can or does kick ass. Again, paraphrasing because I can't remember what he said word for word but it was memorable to me when he said it.

[gordianot]

29. Beck engages in speaking in cliches and pseudo-intellectual jargon.

Even then he mixes his brand of jargon with wild ideas he hears from other sources (on many occasions probably voices in his head).

He also does this in what appears to be a studio without an audience off the top off his head. No one could possibly script this before broadcast. One has to wonder which is worse Beck's mental illness or those who allow it to be broadcast?

[iamthebandfanman]

30. He was a threat to both romans and the jewish leaders

and both wanted him dead.

id imagine if i believed in any of the story, id conclude they were both to 'blame' ;)

[Mimosa]

32. Beck's interpretation of the Gospel is absurd, but the Sanhedrin tried Jesus for blasphemy

And the Romans carried out the death sentence. The teachings of Christs threatened the political order of his time. This is an excellent historical article, especially for Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin_Trial_of_Jesus

Excerpt:

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia article on Jesus: The Last Supper:

There could be no question of anything corresponding to a trial taking place on this occasion before the Sanhedrin. Whatever inquest was made must have occurred during the Thursday night and outside Jerusalem (for on entering the city a prisoner would have had to be given up to the Roman garrison), and can not have been held before a quorum of the seventy-one members of the Sanhedrin. It is more probable that the twenty-three members of the priestly section of the latter, who had most reason to be offended with Jesus' action in cleansing the Temple, met informally after he had been seized, and elicited sufficient to justify them in their own opinion in delivering him over to the Romans as likely to cause trouble by his claims or pretensions to the Messiahship, which, of course, would be regarded by them as rebellion against Rome. Nothing corresponding to a Jewish trial took place, though it was by the action of the priests that Jesus was sent before Pontius Pilate. The Gospels speak in the plural of the high priests who condemned him — a seeming contradiction to Jewish law which might throw doubt upon their historic character. Two, however, are mentioned, Joseph Caiaphas and Annas (Hanan), his father-in-law. Hanan had been deposed from the high-priesthood by Valerius Gratus, but he clearly retained authority and some prerogatives of the high priest, as most of those who succeeded him were relatives of his; and he may well have intervened in a matter touching so nearly the power of the priests. According to the Talmud, Hanan's bazaars were on the Mount of Olives, and probably therefore also his house; this would thus have become the appropriate place for the trial by the Sanhedrin, which indeed just about this time had moved its place of session thither.

Jesus assigns some of the guilt to Pontius Pilate but places the majority of the guilt on the High Priest Caiaphas. In John 19:11, "Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin." It has been widely but inaccurately said that Jesus referred to "the Jews" collectively although in fact Jesus referred only to a singular person as "he" or "the one" who was responsible.

[Cass]

33. It blows my mind that so many Faux viewers think the world of this unhinged nutcase..

The man is off the deep end.

[Scurrilous]

37. K & R

:thumbsup: