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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:12 AM
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That stupid Tea Party billboard got me thinking. Who would win in a fist-fight, Lenin or Hitler?
I saw a picture of that Iowa billboard and my first thought was, "The Tea Party, how asinine." But the pictures reminded me of a boxing-card poster for some reason and I wondered, "Who would win in a fight, Lenin or Hitler?"

After thinking about it, I gotta give it to Hitler. I despise the man but by all accounts he earned his Iron Cross in WWI and for the life of my I don't recall reading about Lenin doing anything more strenuous then writing.

What do you guys think?
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:14 AM
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1. True. However, Hitler was a vegetarian, so.....
He may not have been all that muscular.

In any event, they are both dead, so a fistfight would be rather boring! :silly:
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:21 AM
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5. This vegetarian blackbelt finds your slur offensive,
:mad:
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:24 AM
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10. Gee, no sense of humor much?
It's a joke, and NO I won't apologize for it.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:33 AM
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12. Dude, I was joking *you*
Peace!
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:19 PM
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21. Oh. Oops. Sorry.
My irony-meter is broken today. My bad.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:52 AM
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16. Self-Defense Against Fruit
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:08 AM
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19. An excellent skit!
:applause:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:23 AM
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9. No, he wasn't.
He had digestive problems and his doctors prescribed a vegetarian diet but he found it impossible to stick to. He loved his meat too much.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:15 AM
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2. Lenin would have kicked Hitler's ass handily in a fist fight
Hitler was all hat and no cattle.

No contest.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:16 AM
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3. Depends,
What age would have them fighting at. If you did it when they were both in their twenties, sure, I could give the nod to Hitler. But after the age of forty, I'd have to give it to Lenin. Hitler really abused his body over the years, speed and other drugs, along with the fact that he probably had syphilis. When he hit middle age his body started really giving out on him. Towards the end, in his fifties, he could barely walk, just shuffle along.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:21 AM
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6. I wonder.
Because by that age Lenin wasn't healthy either. They both suffered from pretty serious diseases.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:18 AM
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4. if cavemen and astronauts got into a fight, who would win?
:)
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:21 AM
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7. Does the astronaut have his equipment or is it hand-to-hand?
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 10:22 AM by proteus_lives
:-)
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:34 AM
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13. I don't want to derail
your thread.

Your question brought to mind the Angel episode "A Hole In The World"

http://stormwreath.livejournal.com/8778.html

First, taking the question literally. Some people seem to see this as a question of brains versus physical strength, as though astronauts are all scrawny, intellectual egg-heads. But in that case, wouldn’t the question have been “scientists versus cavemen”? In reality, most astronauts have been serving or former military personnel, and all are carefully chosen and fully trained to be at the peak of physical fitness. They also benefit from a modern diet – look at ancient suits of armour in museums to see just how tiny people in the olden days were compared to us. True, the average Paleolithic hunter-gatherer would probably enjoy a high-protein diet and plenty of exercise, so would be fit and healthy compared to, say, a mediaeval peasant. Even so, I think the advantage of strength and fitness would clearly belong to the astronauts – and that’s even ignoring the fact that, as members of the armed forces, they have probably been trained in modern hand-to-hand combat techniques.

One of the terms of the argument in the episode is that the astronauts “don’t have weapons”. I’m going to assume that this means they don’t get to bring any of their technology with them to the fight, not that they’re barred from making or adapting any tools during it. (And that the same restriction applies to the cavemen). Now, I’ll concede that “primitive does not equal stupid”, and the cavemen are going to be able to plan ambushes, make use of terrain, and improvise weapons from natural materials. But so are the astronauts! And the big advantage they have is their modern education (including, in most cases, military basic training and officer command school).

In pre-literate societies, knowledge comes from experience or oral tradition, which is great as long as you’re doing the exact same things that your ancestors always did. If the environment changes or a situation crops up that’s outside your group’s communal experience – such as fighting a group of astronauts – then you’re in big trouble, because you have no precedents to base your behaviour on. But the modern people can draw on the experience of not only their own family and neighbours, but any person throughout history who’s written down their knowledge. The cavemen might have an initial advantage – for example, if the battlefield has flint nodules lying around, they may be able to fashion a handaxe from them while the astronauts are still wondering and experimenting with the different rocks to see which ones can be made into tools. But the caveman might walk straight past the yew coppice without noticing it, because he’s never heard of a bow and arrow and can’t even conceive of a weapon that can kill him from a hundred paces away… until it’s too late. Likewise, a caveman may be able to make fire by banging flint and iron pyrites together, but be unaware that you can also do it with a friction drill – the astronaut might never have used either method, but should be aware of both of them.

So the answer is that the astronauts should always win… as long as they don’t get trapped into playing the game the cavemen’s way. Which, when you think about it, is pretty much the message of Angel Season 5, which brings us neatly to the metaphorical part of the question.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:23 AM
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8. That's easy
Tonto.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:24 AM
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11. Lenin would have bought some rope from Hitler
and hung him with it.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:48 AM
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14. Lenin, definitely
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:51 AM
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15. Neither- Churchill would have whipped out a bottle and they'd all have broken out in song
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:53 AM
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17. Stalin would tell them to stop fighting, and then they'd invade Poland together.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:54 AM
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18. Lenin - Total body count for the Gulags was around 26 million or so when he died. n/t
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Broke In Jersey Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:15 AM
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20. They wouldn't fight.....They would do what most 'heads of state' do.....
have the 'common' people fight their battles for them.....
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