Most annoying political myths of all time--LIST YOURS

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

1. Clinton only won in 1992 because of Perot
--not true, before Perot re-entered the race that fall, Clinton was beating Bush by an even wider margin. All Perot did was tighten the race up by drawing from both candidates. This meme was created to paint Clinton as an illegitimate president. It stuns me how often even people on the Democratic side repeat this one.

2. The Dems didn't let Gov. Casey speak at the 1992 convention because he was anti-choice.
--Not true. One of the most often repeated, but Casey was barred because he wouldn't endorse the ticket.

3.The Wellstone "fune-rally"
--do we even need to go into this one?

4. Air America pays stations to carry it's programming.
--Not true. Often repeated by O'Reilly, which is odd considering he had to pay stations to launch his radio show. I write about media criticism and it's amazing how many rightwingers throw this one at me.

5. Nader is a secret Republican
---This one is just fucking stupid.

6. Liberals want "activist judges"
--When it's conservatives who have created thinktanks like the Federalist Society for the sole purpose of getting their agenda through the Supreme Court

What are some of the ones that annoy you the most?

[baldguy]

1. Tax cuts do more for ave middle class workers than everything else.

A 'puke politico can be a blood-soaked baby-eating corporate whore with oil in his veins - but if he promises to CUT TAXES! Joe Republican will always vote for him.

[benddem]

2. Soros is the most evil man on the earth

somehow no one ever suggests to O'Lielly et al that conservatives have a few billionaires in their pockets.
the haircut that held up the airport during rush hour.
the $400.00 haircut
the destruction done/not to the WH when the Clintons left.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

3. can't believe i forgot the white house vandalism

that's one i still hear cited as 'fact' by rightwingers i know
FOX repeated that one 24/7 for a month and never bothered to issue a retraction

[paulk]

4. DU represents the base of the Democratic Party

a local myth

[BlueIris]

50. People who believe that REALLY need to work on more actual Dem campaigns.

Or, you know, ANY actual Dem campaigns.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

5. ronald reagan single-handedly defeated the soviet union

[ithacan]

32. I'm with you on this one!!

It is absolutely unbelievable how many people actually believe this. Which of course means they know nothing at all about the Soviet Union, but rather are basing their views on right-wing and US main stream media propaganda.

[hyphenate]

58. I tend to give more credence

to Gorbachov and Yeltsin for their work on the Russian end to help cripple the USSR, as it was largely their philosophies which helped eradicate the repression to the point where freedom was a possibility.

I also give Samantha Smith more credit for helping to melt the Iron Curtain than Raygun.

[truebrit71]

111. That lie drives me nuts too....

...a complete and total re-write of history in order to prop up a doddering old fool...

[seasat]

6. Trickle down tax cuts.

I think that trickle on would be a better term. The ridiculous Repug notion that cutting taxes would increase investment and raise workers salaries was completely disproven when Clinton raised the top rates and wages for the bottom 60% increased.

[otherlander]

57. Didn't Goldwater believe in that?

[Venus Dog]

7. The votes have been counted and re-counted and in some areas, re-counted again

Repeated over and over in 2000/Florida and again in 2004/Ohio.

[senseandsensibility]

8. GW is charming

Gag me.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

9. I never understood the "likeablility" claim either

The first time I really saw Bush(I had a passing familiarity with him prior to 99-2000) was during the early part of the campaign. I remember that press conference perfectly. I was struck at his arrogance and how he acted like he was so entitled to the GOP nimination. He reminded me of every spoiled, frat boy brat I had to attend college with.

[senseandsensibility]

20. He's always arrogant, angry

or clueless. Where's the charm in any of those? He was "branded" with the likablity thing by the corporate media to get him into office. I really think it was because there was nothing else even remotely positive about him that they could try to sell to the public. Likablity is subjective, and no one could prove they were lying.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

27. if someone's truly likeable, we don't need to be reminded

and told every 10 minutes

[Virginia Dare]

15. Dontcha wanta sit down and have a beer with him??

:puke: he'd prolly stiff you with the tab too.

[senseandsensibility]

22. I guess there's something wrong with me

I don't like to drink with empty-headed loud mouthed jerks. I'm weird that way.:shrug:

[Bucky]

128. Well... he *does* drive me to drink.

Not sure I should be around the president when I'm feeling uninhibiited, however.

[atommom]

108. I recently heard a quote from someone who knew him growing up.

He said GW wouldn't play if his friends wouldn't let him win... he'd just walk off and deprive them of his presence. When asked how GW could get away with that, the friend said "he was just so pleasant and easy-going..." :wtf:

[senseandsensibility]

120. Sounds like the same circular logic being used to

sell him to us by the corporate media. How is such behavior pleasant and easy going?

[atommom]

150. Well, it must be, because everybody says he's pleasant and easygoing,

so that makes whatever he does amusing and lovable.

(I don't really need the :sarcasm: , right?)

[porphyrian]

10. #. Impeachment can't happen and isn't worth trying.

#. Kucinich is un-electable.
#. Democrats should focus on fence-sitting "moderates" to win an election.
#. Democrats need to be bi-partisan to win.

Maybe the last two are the same, I don't know. They're all certainly related.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. Universal health care = socialized medicine

[MethuenProgressive]

12. Nader won Bush the Whitehouse.

Oh wait, that one's true...

[Liberal Veteran]

13. Tee-hee!

:yourock:

[baldguy]

14. Never mind the 50,000 votes that were stolen

[deutsey]

105. And the tens of thousands of American citizens who were disenfranchised

by Bush's brother.

Just a coincidence, I guess. :eyes:

[Virginia Dare]

17. Ouch, you picked that scab again!!...n/t

[Kelly Rupert]

63. The word is "myth," not "fact."

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Democrats are weak on defense.

And how many ground wars have the republicans won? Grenada?

[Virginia Dare]

18. If we leave Iraq, the terrorists will follow us home..n/t

[BlueIris]

46. Or a related corollary: if we leave Iraq, it'll be "bad" for the Dems.

Especially in the long run. History will favor the neo-cons on this one, doncha know.

[live love laugh]

19. Dean screamed. n/t

[XemaSab]

95. That's mine too

:P

Were you there? :shrug:

[Bronyraurus]

117. Dean didn't scream?

[XemaSab]

124. Not really, no

Sorry to disappoint.

[Bronyraurus]

131. So what was that footage

that I heard with my own ears?

[XemaSab]

132. Try this on for size:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjsiq1pUq0

[Bronyraurus]

133. Great argument

So a crappy recording of the Dean scream means that it didn't happen? You can still hear it, even over the crowd noise that's obscuring it.

Are you arguing that the networks retooled the audio to play up the scream? They didn't. I saw the speech live, I heard the scream, and I thought to myself: "ha, that's gonna be sampled by someone." And, of course, it was. It just made Dean look silly, just like Dukakis looked silly in the tank, just like GWHB looked silly not knowing what a grocery store scanner was.

[annabanana]

142. That "crappy" recording is the accurate sound...

If everyone in the room is hollering, it doesn't sound "silly" for you to be hollering too. If the microphone is right next to your mouth and doesn't pick up the crowd... THEN you sound deranged.

[Bronyraurus]

143. Come on

I don't think that Dean was deranged, or unhinged, I just think that he was silly. It was a silly sound that his mouth made. The fact that other people were shouting doesn't make it any less silly. The reason why it was such a big deal is because it was so easily parodied and sampled, and because presidential candidates so rarely scream like banshees.

Deaniacs, let it go. You can't blame the media for this one.

[XemaSab]

144. I'm saying that context is everything

And removal of the crowd noise removes the context that his speech was given in.

[Bronyraurus]

145. The crowd noise wasn't "removed"

You're making it sound like the news altered the recording. It didn't. Again, I saw it live, and heard the scream loud and clear.

[LSK]

147. ABC News admitted that they were using mics that filtered out background noise

I thought this was common knowledge.

[Liberal Veteran]

21. The Clinton Administration was the most corrupt ever.

When in fact, the Reagan administration has that distinction.

[wellst0nev0ter]

23. Al Gore Sez He Invented The Internets

with his own bare hands :eyes:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

26. not to mention love story, love canal, etc.

the 2000 campaign was the most error-filled in coverage by the corporate media in history

[rusty_parts2001]

24. McCain is a straight talking "maverick".

[BlueIris]

41. Sigh. That pic can't be publicized enough. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. We should "trust" politicians.

Democracy was built on the idea of NOT trusting politicians or other "leaders".

[Maestro]

28. Repukes like small government.

or Repukes do not tax you like those tax and spend liberals. :eyes:

[dysfunctional press]

29. Democrats can't win the white house without the south.

Bull-Shit.

[Kelly Rupert]

70. No, but they'd at least need the interior west

and midwest. We certainly can't win with just the Gore/Kerry states.

[dysfunctional press]

82. if gore had gotten nevada- he'd have won without needing florida

and without any "southern" states.

[alittlelark]

30. "Politics is boring" - gets me every time.

Politics is CENTRAL to each of our lives, it is a fascinating and vibrant dance.... I effects each of our lives a thousand fold more than NASCAR, NFL, NHL, NBA.....blah blah blah COMBINED.

The RW's success at turning politics into a boring drone is their greatest triumph.

[treestar]

149. I hate that one too, and when people act like they are above discussing

such things - like it's some sort of virture - I remember one guy who bragged to me that he never voted. He actually boasted of it.

[Beausoir]

31. The grown-ups are in charge!

Unbelievable.

[BlueIris]

33. John Kerry didn't "fight back" against the Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth."

Whenever I hear anyone spewing that, I want to throw things.

[omega minimo]

34. "Reagan won in a landslide"

The truth is 1/2 the American voters DID NOT VOTE.

:wtf: :evilfrown:

[Kelly Rupert]

65. It was still a landslide.

The only Americans with voices are those who choose to speak. And I'm sorry, but any way you slice it,



is a landslide. Reagan was a crap president, but he won his election and re-election more than convincingly.

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[Kelly Rupert]

83. I don't like the man who won.

He was the most damaging President we've had, Bush excepted, in the last hundred years. But to deny that he won both elections convincingly is just that--denial.

[omega minimo]

90. Being "convinced" by Reagan is "just that -- denial."

:thumbsdown:

[Kelly Rupert]

93. Okay, fine. Reagan actually lost both times.

It was Diebold. The electoral map showing a wholly-blue nation was not a landslide. :eyes:

[Nye Bevan]

119. Yes! Mondale SHOULD NOT HAVE CONCEDED!

He should have demanded recounts in every state (except for Minnesota).

[Bronyraurus]

116. What in God's name could

your point possibly be?

[BlueIris]

35. The Clinton Era economy was only strong because of Reagan's efforts.

Clinton got credit for Ronnie's "brilliant" economic revitalization! Clinton lied about his economic acumen, too!!!

[BlueIris]

36. Runner up: presidents don't "really" influence the conditions or directions of the economy.

At least, "not that much."

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

48. also, it was the GOP Congress that gave us surpluses

funny how they disappeared when we got a GOP president

[LiberalFighter]

51. A Republican President AND AND a Republican Congress

[avrdream]

139. And the corollary:

The economy is "bad" now because of Clinton decisions.

[hfojvt]

37. "Reaganomics worked"

More of an economic myth than a political one. At least it would be, if it wasn't being pushed by the Republican party and its paid shills.

[hfojvt]

38. Why is it stupid to say that Nader is a secret Republican?

It kinda gives him the benefit of the doubt. It makes him evil instead of just an egotistical fu$%ing moron.

Either way, I hope he burns in hell!

[BlueIris]

39. John Roberts is a reasonable, even-tempered jurist. More moderate than conservative.

ROBERTS IS BUSH'S WHORE.

LITERALLY.

He's an empty shirt put on the Court to take orders from fascists and his actions have just as much potential to effect their extremist agendas as Scalia or Alito's.

Some posters here might not believe this, but even after the woman-killing so-called "partial-birth" abortion ban Roberts voted for, I know Democrats who are STILL trying to tell me that Roberts "isn't that bad."

[Hamlette]

40. Dems are more angry than Republicans

the whole "you are just Bush haters" nonsense. Yeah, I'm pretty pissed at him but we didn't make a cottage industry which included launching a cable news station and spending his full 8 years in office (and a $70 million investigation) with the sole aim of impeaching him. We're the angry ones?

That we hate religious people (we DO hate intolerant religious people).

Vince Foster was murdered.

Hillary is a lesbian.

Bill is gay (ok, not a wide spread myth).

Whitewater.

Dems hate America.

[BlueIris]

43. I love that "Hillary is a lesbian" myth. It's so hillariously unbelievable it makes even ME cackle.

And I don't enjoy defending Senator Clinton anymore, even against outrageous lies. But that one is just...SHUT UP, MORANS. I mean, what year do you think this is, 1971? You don't just look ridiculous pushing that meme, you look desperate.

[Matsubara]

104. Or the Hillary is a liberal/socialist/feminazi myths.

She is none of those things, She is a careerist, with just a whiff of conscience, which makes her considerably better than most repukes, who have none.

[yellowcanine]

42. Daley stole the 1960 election for Kennedy in Cook County.

First of all, Kennedy would have still won without Illinois. Some Republicans of course allege that the Johnson machine also stole Texas for Kennedy with just as much evidence as the theft of Illinois in Cook County - that is, precious little. No investigations at the time or scholarly studies since have turned up any credible evidence of the theft of either Texas or Illinois, let alone both. The other part of this political myth is that Nixon decided not to pursue the fraud issue for the good of the country. This is hogwash also. Anyone who has studied Nixon at all knows that he was for what was good for Nixon first. If he had any credible evidence of fraud, he would have pursued it. And the truth is that while Nixon did concede the day after the election, the GOP actually did challenge the results in not just Texas and Illinois, but also in nine other states. Nothing came of any of the challenges.

[BlueIris]

44. AAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

!@#&$%*@(!!!**%&@^!!!

Most obnoxious myth ever.

[JHB]

115. ...especially when paired with "Get over it!" n/t

[BlueIris]

121. What those "get over it" people do. not. fucking. GET. is that it was NIXON

who was illegaling up the vote tally in Cook County and other counties in Illinois.

I hate the "get over it" people most when they bring up the election of 1960, I really do.

[LiberalFighter]

62. An article from Salon - 11/10/2000

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/10/nixon/">The fallacy of Nixon's graceful exit

In Illinois, for instance, the final recount showed that Nixon's votes had been undercounted by 943 -- yet, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, it turned out that Nixon's vote had been overcounted.

It is true that Nixon did quickly concede the election to Kennedy. And while he was careful not to put a public imprimatur on the concerted Republican effort to challenge the election results, he privately not only authorized it, but actively encouraged it.

The Republicans obtained recounts, involved U.S. Attorneys and the FBI, and even impaneled grand juries in their quest to get a different election result. A slew of lawsuits were filed by Republicans, and unsuccessful appeals to state election commissions routinely followed. However, all their efforts failed to uncover any significant wrongdoing.

[bobthedrummer]

45. The 9/11 Commission Report

The Warren Commission Report

[BlueIris]

47. Younger voters didn't support Kerry in '04.

Especially annoying when it is followed by, "Well, not in greater numbers than they supported Clinton in '92."

SHUT. IT. LEARN TO READ. READ ABOUT HOW MANY MORE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE VOTED FOR JOHN KERRY IN 2004 THAN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE. MANY OF THEM WERE UNDER 25.

IGNORANCE KILLS.

[Kelly Rupert]

66. But still, if they had voted with the same proportion

that older demographics did, Kerry would be President now.

[BlueIris]

71. Yes, with allllll that support Kerry had from the media, the Party and

so-called progressives. Yep, woulda been a cake-walk into the Oval for the senator.

[Kelly Rupert]

72. So, he would have lost,

despite having a final vote total greater than Bush...because treasonous elements within the Party would have backstabbed him?

[BlueIris]

73. Hon, this thread is for DEBUNKING propaganda.

You're in the wrong place.

[Kelly Rupert]

75. So which is propaganda here?

1. If 18-29-year-old voters, who supported Kerry 55-45, had voted in the same proportion as 45-59-year-olds, Kerry would have had about three million more votes, easily carrying him into the White House.

2. No, because the Party, treasonous "progressives," and the Media would have backstabbed him.

[AtomicKitten]

141. #2

It's apparently much easier to swallow for some. :+

[BlueIris]

49. This is turning into one of the best threads ever!

[AnnieBW]

52. Bush Won the Election in 2000

And all of those little old Jewish ladies in Palm Beach County really did vote for Buchanan!

[napi21]

53. All north eastern politicians are elitists! n/t

[maine_raptor]

54. That G.H.W.Bush had anything to do with the JFK Assassination.

Sorry folks, but the facts don't support that myth.

He wasn't in Dallas that day, he was in Huston.

Now Nixon on the other hand...........

[otherlander]

59. Nixon couldn't have been involved in the assassination.

After all, JFK is dead, isn't he?

[maine_raptor]

61. Nixon knew that LHO was a commie defector back from the USSR

PRIOR to that information becoming public knowledge later that day.

And yes, the man is dead.

I'll add one other "political myth" to this too...........LHO shot JFK.

[LynnTheDem]

55. "Nuking Japan saved millions of American lives"

"Democrats are soft on defense"

Both are myths.

[Kelly Rupert]

68. Well, the second is a myth.

The first is an opinion that is entirely defensible, but which is certainly not airtight. It's too easy to denounce a past hypothetical as a "myth."

[hyphenate]

56. That Ronnie Raygun is the most sainted president

to ever come along, and is almost as mighty as the second coming. Any statement that praises Ronnie is a lie, myth or legend that needs to be debunked!

On the other hand, I like Ron Jr. Helluva guy!

[zippy890]

112. this one really bugs me - that Reagan was a great president

He did more to undermine the advances in civil rights, union rights
and economic justice in this country than anyone up to that point.

He ushered in an era of 'selfishness is good for the economy'/ who cares
about low-income and disabled, and his busting of the air traffic controllers
union strike was horrible. not to mention Iran -contra scandal.

The way he has been canonized as such a great president sickens me.

[BlueIris]

60. "Vietnam was the Democrats' war." nt

[Kelly Rupert]

67. So...whose war was it?

Was it the Republicans, who were not in control of the White House or the Congress?

[maine_raptor]

74. Ike's

Ike started the ball rolling by supporting the French attempt to keep Vietnam a colony after WWII. We (the US) supplied 80% of the French effort. At the height the Battle of Dien Bien Phu, Ike convened a meeting in the White House to discuss the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons to support the French forces trapped there. The plan was nixed by the Senate Majority Leader at the time - Lyndon Johnson of Texas.

Which reminds me of yet another annoying political myth:

After JFK's death, LBJ just continued JFK's Vietnam policy.

Kennedy was looking for a way out. In Oct of 63, he had decided to start the pullout of troops with 1000 being withdrawn by end of that year. On Sunday, November 24, 1963, LBJ signed an Executive Order reversing that decision.

[Kelly Rupert]

76. Advisors and aid are not the same

as the war we ended up fighting. That war was LBJ's baby all the way, and a Democratic Congress went along for the ride.

[maine_raptor]

79. You asked , "Who's war was it?"

So to find the answer you have to look at the beginnings, not the outcome (massive combat operations).

When the French pulled out of Vietnam in the mid-fifties, it was as part ot the Geneva Accords. Included in that agreement was a splitting of the country into two parts; North and South. Also in that deal was the call for general elections in both halves to decide who the leader would be. The US supported the South and the Diem family, but it was clear well prior to those elections that Ho Chi Min would win with about 80% of the popular vote. So Ike canceled the elections in the South and the Viet Ming (aka Viet Cong) fought it. Thus the advisers and aid. And with that came a commitment that lead to "the war we ended up fighting".

One other point:

You have to remember the context in which this all happened - The Cold War was at it's height. For ANY politician of either party to vote against funds to fight the Cold War was political suicide. The Vietnam War during it's early stages (1950-63) was at the most a side show. Things did not really heat up until after that point, but even then, that Cold War imperative was mighty strong, alive, and kicking. It was not until 1968, the Tet Offensive, that the worm changed.

[Kelly Rupert]

84. Claiming that Vietnam is Ike's war is a bit like claiming

that Iraq is Clinton's war, because Clinton both engaged in low-level military support of UN resolutions and no-fly zones, and issued the regime-change policy statement. The Iraq War proper began with the IWR, and the Vietnam War proper began with the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. Advisors and aid are in no way the same as full combat operations--one is foreign military aid, and one is a war. Ike provided aid. LBJ, a Democrat, provided a war, with a Democratic congress giving him the go-ahead.

Yes, the decision was made under extreme political duress. Of course, as the Pentagon Papers made abundantly clear, the duress was largely the creation of the administration. (Again, this defense works equally well for the Iraq war--after all, voting against supporting America and fighting terrorism was political suicide a year after 9/11, wasn't it? Doesn't change the fact that it was a harmful, stupid war that needs to be pinned to the man who led America into it.)

[maine_raptor]

86. I never claimed Vietnam was LBJ's war.

It was Ike's, he's the SOB that started it.

As for the advisors vs. soldiers thing; Does it make a difference WHAT you are called at the time you are killed?

LBJ was trapped into that same Cold War imperative that JFK was seeking to escape at the time of his death. The historical record, including the Pentagon Papers, is quite clear on that point.

Yes, LBJ escalated IKe's commitment via his phony Gulf of Tonkin act, but the fact remains that had Ike NOT made that commitment (cancellation of the election, support for the Diem regime, etc.) then there WOULD NOT have been a Gulf incident, and therefore no Vietnam War as you define it.

Also, don't forget that the Gulf of Tonkin incident happened in the middle of a presidential campaign (1964) in which the biggest issue was who would be "tougher on communism".

[Kelly Rupert]

87. Good point, I meant to say Ike

[ellisonz]

134. This is all true...

But it becomes a matter of historical rhetoric less than an accurate descriptor of the what occured...

I, like wikipedia, prefer the Indochina War model that paints the "Vietnam War" as less of an exclusive event and more as the product of Cold War politics meeting a national liberation movement.

The First Indochina War (called the French War in Vietnam) began in the wake of World War II and lasted until the French defeat in 1954. After a long campaign of resistance Viet Minh forces had claimed a victory after Japanese and Vichy French forces surrendered in the North at the end of World War II. During World War II, the South was temporarily occupied by the British forces, who restored French Republic colonial control. The communist/nationalist Viet Minh, whom the Allies had supported during the war, continued fighting the French with support from China and the USSR, ultimately driving the French out of Indochina.

The Second Indochina War (called the Vietnam War in the West and the American War in Vietnam) began as a conflict between the United States-backed South Vietnamese government and its opponents, both the South Vietnamese-based National Liberation Front and the Communist North. It began in the late 1950s and lasted until 1975. The United States, which supported France in the first war, backed the South Vietnam government in opposition to the National Liberation Front and the Communist-allied North. The North benefited from military and financial support from China and the Soviet Union, members of the Communist bloc.

The Cambodian-Vietnamese War followed the Second Indochina War, with Vietnam invading Cambodia and deposing the democidal Khmer Rouge regime.

The Third Indochina War (called the Sino-Vietnamese War) was a short war fought in February-March 1979 between the People's Republic of China and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. The Chinese invaded Vietnam as punishment for the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, and withdrew a month later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Indochina_War

[rasputin1952]

64. There is a "liberal media" that doesn't give the RW a chance

to rebut allegations.

Virtually the entire radio spectrum on broadcast is RW ideology, and the Press has given bush a long leash...MSM...gimme a break.

[Kelly Rupert]

69. Impeachment would be an appropriate use of Congress's time. nt

[Blue_Tires]

78. the continued denial over global climate change

the continued denial over our invasion of iraq having anything to do with oil

the blaming of "political correctness" whenever some racist/sexist/homophobic jackass gets reprimanded or thrown off the air

and of course, "America is a christian nation!"

[Kelly Rupert]

85. Certainly on the Global Climate Change.

Failure to recognize it as real and man-made is flying in the face of 99% of climatologists.

[agincourt]

80. Conservatives are patriots who are just a little mislead.

No, they are lying brown-nosing fascists.

[BlueIris]

123. You are my new favorite poster.

[joshcryer]

81. The State is your friend.

:evilgrin:

[SeattleGirl]

88. Carter failed to free the Iranian hostages, so Reagan had to do

it instead.

For me, this one goes hand in hand with the "Reagan brought down the Soviet Union" crap.

[legerdemain]

89. A Democratic President is bad for the Stock Market

Historically the market has performed much more favorably when a Democrat is in the White House

[Swamp Rat]

91. 'Ronald Reagan won the Cold War'

:rofl:

[Nick at Noon]

92. Reagan got the government off our backs

Actually he got the government off the backs of Big Business. 
 Since then -- Big Business had been at the throats of the
American consumer. 

[XemaSab]

94. The Dean scream

x(

[LeftishBrit]

96. Oh, lots of them...

Thatcherism was the medicine that Britain needed, and is what other countries such as France also need (to this day, the right-wing journalists are full of that sort of crap!)

The only reason why more working-class people don't go to university (here in the UK) is because evil elitist lecturers are discriminating against them (coming from a government that has been making university increasingly unaffordable to all but the reasonably well-off).

Britain has experienced an enormous increase in population due to all those evil immigrants (it hasn't!)

All bad things that happen internationally are the fault of the 'Islamo-Fascists', the 'Zionists', or some other scapegoat, instead of being the responsibility of their perpetrators.

Blair is a Socialist (hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!)

Iraq had some direct responsibility for 9/11.

Iraq had WMD.

Those from minority ethnic groups/ descendants of immigrants/ Jews/ Moslems are likely to be less loyal to their country than others. A variant is to blame obnoxious behaviour or bad judgment by a minority-group member on their having 'divided loyalties' whereas a majority-group member would simply be regarded as wrong or criminal.

The Bible orders people to be politically conservative.

[GreenPartyVoter]

97. Socialists want to steal your hard-earned money. Greens only care about the environment. n/t

.

[youthere]

98. Elective Partial Brith Abortion.

[BlueIris]

122. Runner up: the idea that the term "partial 'birth' abortion" is valid.

As opposed to a misogynist slur created by the Republican hate-machine to generate ignorance, bigotry, and woman-killing "health" policies.

[regularguy]

99. That the "founding fathers" were biblical literalists,

similar to the fundies of today. So laughably wrong it doesn't even merit comment, yet it drives me crazy that people still try to assert it.

[Name removed]

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[Roland99]

101. That the media is liberal. If that was the case...

then why does it constantly denigrate people like Michael Moore and Dennis Kucinich?

[HughBeaumont]

102. Or broadcast even a HINT of economic bad news during a Repuke presidency?

Or bring people on the air calling for more domestic spying?

[jakefrep]

103. God was kicked out of public school nt

[deutsey]

106. Reagan won the Cold War n/t

[Matsubara]

107. Bush is "likeable" "down-to-earth" "manly"

I've seen no evidence that he is any of those things.

[Matsubara]

109. "Bush Sr. was a little out of touch, but basically a kindly old gent"

The fact that he is an arms-dealing spymaster who was probably the de facto president from about 1981 on seems lost on a lot of people.

He's the American Putin, but with a very convincing grandfatherly facade.

[avrdream]

140. I think I'll go spew now....

with the thought that Bush is manly. Ick.

[illinoisprogressive]

110. Obama is not ready for prime time or not electable

The electable one is just stupid and funny at the same time. he is very strong against repubs and has low negs.
also, there are several chapters of repub. for obama and indies for obama. People like him.

Not ready annoys me when he spent 8 years in the Illinois state senate as well as his time in the US.
Dumb.

[leftofthedial]

113. that there is such a thing as "liberal media"

deregulation is good for consumers

that there is such a thing as a "free market"

that privatization is more efficient or responsive to people than government

that repukes are "pro-military"

[Enrique]

114. Rudy Giuliani, hero of 9/11

wtf did he do?

[Tyler Durden]

118. One of MY faves: "Al Gore says he invented the internet."

I want take people that say that, hook them up to our biggest server and GOOGLE them to death.

[BlueIris]

125. John Edwards is likable, but not effective.

John Edwards is a courageous, shrewd, skilled statesman who never gets enough credit for his many gifts. What I appreciate most about him is the effort he has made to shed light on the problems Bush and his administration have created for the world and America's standing in the world, particularly economically. Few other Democrats have the guts to put the focus on the big picture for fear of looking unpatriotic.

[Skip Intro]

126. Liberal Media.

total bullshit

[Bucky]

127. Martin Van Buren only became Vice President because of the Peggy Eaton affair!

Blatent Whig propaganda, trying to disparage the Magician of Kinderhook's tremendous political talents.

Justice for Martin Van Buren!!
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[KamaAina]

129. Gov. Blanco never formally requested Federal assistance after Katrina.

Debunked. Not exactly shouted from the rooftops (ouch) by the M$M, but debunked nonetheless.

[mb7588a]

130. Questioning the Iraq policy is not supporting the troops. nt

[ellisonz]

135. Truman Lost China - Totally False

[WilliamPitt]

136. Republicans are bad people, and Evangelicals are hateful maniacs.

The best man I've ever known was a rock-ribbed Republican. All I know about loyalty, morality, integrity and the crafting of argument came from him.

The best woman I've ever known was a deep-South Evangelical literalist, i.e. every word in the Bible is literally true. She was kindness personified, generous beyond measure, full of love and compassion, and if she had a hateful bone in her body, her faith made sure it never saw daylight.

Mostly, though, I don't like generalizations. Generally. :)

[BlueIris]

137. Al Gore ran a "bad" campaign in 2000.

Even I bought that one for a while (don't flame; I eventually read real information about Gore and figured it out). That myth is pervasive. I've even met Dems who are not fans of either Kerry or Edwards or the Kerry/Edwards campaign who've expressed more dislike for Gore's tactics than those of Kerry/Edwards/Cahill. Which makes no sense. There was nothing wrong with the way Gore campaigned. NOTHING.

[Dark]

138. Gay marriage will be the end of the world.

Yea, cause Mass. has fallen into the ocean.

[SallyMander]

146. The scientific community "debates" global warming...

Ranks right up there with "intelligent design" having any scientific validity...

Now i'm off on my biologist tangent, but it also ticks me off when people say that "evolution is only a theory" -- scientific illiteracy is rampant in this country. Most people have no idea what the word "theory" means in a scientific context, that you are working on rejecting null hypotheses, and never "proving" anything. Grrr.

Sorry... back to my grading... :crazy:

~Sally

[KansDem]

148. "Reagan won the Cold War."

Whenever I hear this I reply with:

"The 'Cold War' was won by countless American patriots like my Dad. He served in WWII and, as a lieutenant, helped to stem the tide of communism while stationed on a US naval vessel off the coast of Korea when Reagan was making 'Bedtime for Bonzo.'"



That usually shuts them up...

[David Zephyr]

151. That the French rolled over to Hitler and the U.S. did all the heavy lifting in WWII

When the fact is that France went to war when Poland was attacked and bravely took on Hitler while the USA did nothing whatsoever for nearly two years!

In fact, the Russians had already contained most of the Nazi Army before we hit Normandy.

And, while I'm at it, after George Washington had lost battle after battle, the French came along to defeat the British and give us our "victory" and "liberty".