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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 09:45 AM
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Counterspin: Are we being set up for the dismantling of Social Security?
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 09:47 AM by BurtWorm
Nancy Altman of Social Security Works addresses the phony media-hyped "deficit hawkishness of the electorate" and the "troubling" secrecy and composition of the bi-partisan Deficit Commission:


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4112


This week on CounterSpin: a special look at two issues that seem to bring out the worst in the corporate media. First up, the deficit. Worrying about the budget deficit is a corporate media staple, so President Obama's deficit commission must appear a godsend. Early reports are that Social Security cuts, another media obsession, have become the commission's main focus. Somewhat tellingly, the commission has announced that it will not be reporting on its recommendations until after the November elections. We'll talk about the President's commission, social security, public opinion and the media, with Nancy Altman, the co-director of Social Security Works, and author of The Battle for Social Security: From FDR's Vision to Bush's Gamble.

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NANCY ALTMAN

CounterSpin: If you stay current on economic news then you've seen the repeating media theme that says that Americans are terribly concerned about high deficits—so concerned, according to some media outlets, that they see lowering deficits as a more pressing matter than job creation. These days, the theme that most of us are deficit hawks is often found hand-in-hand with the theme that Social Security is in trouble, and that we must do something about it—"something" virtually always meaning, cuts in benefits. These two themes have come together in President Obama's deficit commission, formally titled the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. Though there are many possible approaches to fiscal reform, the president's commission seems to have made Social Security its most pressing concern.

With us to talk about deficit hawks, social security, the president's commission, and what Americans really think, is Nancy Altman. Altman is the co-director of Social Security Works, and the author of the The Battle for Social Security: From FDR's Vision to Bush's Gamble.

Nancy Altman, welcome to CounterSpin!

Nancy Altman: Thank you so much for having me.

CS: I want to get to the President's deficit commission in a moment, but first, let's talk about this notion that most of us are deficit hawks. On June 18, the Washington Post reporter Lori Montgomery wrote that concern over exploding deficits was resonating even more profoundly with voters than unemployment concerns. What can you tell us about this media trope that says Americans are by and large deficit hawks, more concerned over deficits than jobs?

NA: There have been a number of focus groups and polling that's been done recently on this question, and what I have seen is that people are concerned about the economy. And often people equate a bad economy with the government's got to do something, and it's we've got to tighten our belts, they've got to tighten theirs. It's really, in some ways, simply a proxy that the economy is bad and that people want jobs programs and so forth. But another mistake that I think a lot of policymakers make is to think that people equate the deficit with social security. What our focus groups and polling show is that people understand Social Security as a program that people are paying into, it's a dedicated trust fund, and that it has no borrowing authority and has nothing to do with the deficit. So I think to the extent policy makers decide that they should cut Social Security to reduce the deficit because that's what their constituents want are going to be surprised when they get back home.

CS: It's also true that poll after poll shows that the public has much greater concern for job creation than for fighting the increasing deficits.

NA: Absolutely, and in fact, the two go together. The best thing we can do to reduce the deficit is get our economy back going, put people to work in good paying jobs.

CS: So now president Obama has a commission to deal with this overriding deficit concern. Tell us about the commission, whose on it, and what does is seem to be looking at these days?

NA: This is very troubling. I think Americans have not heard much about this commission, and that, I think, is almost intentional. It's a commission that's been set up by executive order: six members from the president, six members from Congress, the House, and six members from the Senate with very broad authority for the entire federal budget. It reports December 1 after the election. As you mentioned, in the history of Social Security, I actually think this is the biggest threat to Social Security that we may have ever had, certainly bigger than 2005 and privatization. And the reason I say that is because all of this is being done behind closed doors, in the quiet, so the people don't even know what's going on. The members who have been appointed to this commission, many of them have a long history of opposing Social Security, wanting to see it cut. Alan Simpson, who is a conservative former senator from Wyoming, has used the term "greedy geezer" so much that some think he invented the term—he's the co-chair of this. The other co-chair is Erskine Bowles, who worked in the Clinton White House and has been for a long time in favor of a kind of privatization of Social Security. The two of them have made quite clear that Social Security is a clear target of what they want to do, and I think it's very serious because they will report on December 1, after the election. And the leadership has already agreed that if 14 out of the 18 members reach agreement—the majority leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, has agreed to bring it up in December in the lame duck, and if it passes the Senate, Speaker Pelosi has said she will bring it up. So it's on a very fast track—if they come out with recommendations to cut Social Security, it will be acted upon without much time for public input. So I think people should start asking their members now about what is going on.

CS: Explain to listeners why it's telling that the commission isn't releasing its recommendations until after the election.

NA: Well, the executive order has specified December 1, but this is kind of typical of these situations. The idea is that you don't want to do anything unpopular before the election.

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 09:51 AM
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1. "Are we being set up for the dismantling of Social Security?"
Hell yes!

And it's going to be a Democratic president that does it. :mad:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 09:53 AM
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2. Pete Peterson, the billionaire behind the push to privatize SS
CS: William Greider, the economics reporter for the Nation magazine, has said all along that the deficit commission is really just a stalking horse for cutting Social Security. Do you think he's overstating things?

NA: I do not. It appears exactly that way, as I say. Whenever they talk about it, they talk about we must address Social Security. And on top of that, they seem to working in close lockstep with a billionaire most people have never heard of, whose name is Peter G. Peterson. He was Commerce Secretary under President Nixon. He has made a lot of money, billions of dollars, as a hedge fund manager and has staked a huge part of his fortune on drumming up this idea that we've got a huge deficit problem and the cause is Social Security.

CS: We should mention also that Pete Peterson is the creator of Fiscal Times, the media front that has gotten so much affective propaganda into the aforementioned Washington Post.

NA: Just to make one point about that: and that's what happens when you have billions of dollars. He set up his own wire service so that it sounds like you're getting it from AP wire, or UPI. The newspapers have laid off reporters; he set up the Fiscal Times and hired them. And the concern I have is: he's entitled to his opinion, he's entitled to send in op-eds and see if he can get them published in newspapers, but instead he's purchased a new service, and his opinions are going out as hard news, and I worry that they are picked up in a lot of the local papers, but it's really propaganda that's going out.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:41 AM
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8. From FAIR's own archives, 1997: "A Crusader in Clover" (Peterson)
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 10:52 AM by JHB
Takes the measure of the man...

Extra! March/April 1997

A Crusader in Clover
Pete Peterson, Enemy of Social Security, Counts Journalists as Friends


By John L. Hess


Where does the man find the time to earn all that money? You can’t turn on the tube but there’s Peter G. Peterson, telling some awestruck talking head that Social Security and Medicare are gobbling up our kiddies’ porridge. Or he’s writing it on your favorite op-ed page, or in magazines, or relaying the message through a thousand media converts. Or he's presiding over the Council on Foreign Relations or the Concord Coalition, or gracing the society page in a dinner jacket, at all the really important social functions, sometimes as host. Or you can find him more informally at Sunday brunch in the Hamptons, with such useful tablemates as Diane Sawyer, Mort Zuckerman, Leslie Stahl, Peter Jennings, Barbara Walters and so on.

Vanity Fair (8/93) called on the great crusader at his spectacular beachside retreat in 1993 for an admiring profile. It said the interview was interrupted by telephone calls arranging the appointment of Leslie Gelb (ex-New York Times) as president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and of James Hoge (ex-New York Daily News) as editor of the organization's journal. Peterson made another call inviting former Sen. Warren Rudman (R.-N.H.) to join the board of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, a health-policy appendage of the great health supply company Johnson & Johnson (of which Peterson's third wife is a director).

Peterson told Vanity Fair he was writing about health policy at that very moment, for his second book, Facing Up: How to Rescue the American Economy From Crushing Debt and Restore the American Dream. That would be the chapter that said: "The issue isn't whether these new benefits would be nice to have. They would. The issue is whether we can afford it. We can't."

That's our boy. His remark lends piquancy to his wife's explanation that her husband needed his $2.5 million, $1,500-an-hour helicopter to safeguard his health. The question is not whether this kind of healthcare is nice. It is. The question is whether he can afford it. He can.

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If opinion-makers consider Peterson an expert on finance, experts on finance tend to consider him more of an opinion-maker. Ken Auletta's book Greed and Glory, about the near collapse of Lehman Brothers in the 1980s, describes Peterson as, in the eyes of his partners, an arrogant bungler dying to make killings in leveraged buyouts, an obsessed reactionary, a name-dropping snob and, all told, so much a pill that his partners paid him $18 million to get rid of him.

Full column at:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2035

For more information on the writer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Hess

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:51 AM
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12. What a sweetheart
deal.

:puke:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 09:55 AM
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3. Raise taxes on the wealthy.
That would fix all of SS's problems. And index the tax for inflation. Voila
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:48 AM
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11. If the goal is to make SS solvent, then yes, you have the simple solution
But, the goal isn't to make SS solvent, is it? Follow the money, you know?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 11:07 AM
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16. Of course. That's why the meme they are trying to get out there is, "SS broke; cut bennies."
Notice the meme isn't "SS broke; raise taxes." Or "SS broke; cut defense spending."
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:04 AM
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4. Of course we are - the Aristocracy is taking everything back now that the Age of Cheap Oil is over
Peak Oil means Peak Economy.

The End of Peak Economy means the Temporary Middle Class that was allowed to come into being is no longer necessary is the New Feudal World that is coming.

So, naturally all of Ed Bernays' and his apt pupil, Josef Goebbels', are being reconfigured and redeployed for this economic and eventually population contraction

Why? The answer is simple, so the Aristocracy can surf the wave of human extinction right to the very end, on top and in opulent comfort.

The past is the future now, as we go backwards through all the seeming progress humanity has made in the past 10,000 years, but which was really just a product of Cheap Energy and Technology increases

Humans haven't changed in 10,000 years, and the Global Aristocracy hasn't either.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 11:17 AM
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17. I'm glad to see someone else knows what's at the root of most of what we're seeing these days.
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 11:26 AM by Subdivisions
I am perpetually completely and utterly stunned in amazement that nearly NO ONE sees the end of oil as as a problem of any particular import. Peak Oil (and therefore peak economy) is the very definition of the "elephant in the room" - ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WANTS TO SEE IT OR HEAR IT. But it is there, nevertheless.

In fact, it is so almost completely ignored here at DU that I've given up trying to warn about it. Yesterday was Peak Oil Day. And I never even bothered to make a post about Peak Oil on Peak Oil Day because I have grown weary of composing long, thoughtful, and fact-filled posts that get maybe 3 recs and a couple replies from those very few here who get it. Peak Oil posts around here die lonely deaths. Peak Oil is already seriously fucking shit up and no one cares to hear it. And what's really ironic about this topic is that people WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT in good time. The problem with that is that by the time people get around to discussing Peak Oil for real, it will be too late. Today it is ALREADY too late!
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:14 AM
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5. Dismantling? Not quite
What we're being prepared for is the inevitable failure of the current form of Social Security. Promises are easier to make than pay for, especially on the upside of a generational credit bubble.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:24 AM
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6. It has much more to do with the far right refusing to repay what they "borrowed"
with the full intent of bankrupting the program.

To ignore the idealogues involved in this "reform" is disingenious, at best.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:42 AM
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9. How did they manage to get loans without even having to start paying them back?
I understand they borrowed massively from Social Security, but I've never had more than a 45 day grace period on a loan. Aside from student loans but they started right up after graduation.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:55 AM
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13. They assumed there would be a permanent Republican majority
that would look the other way as SS had everything sucked out of it.

Why don't our current Democrats fucking get this?! :wtf:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:28 AM
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7. If I 'borrowed' all the money from your piggy bank, you'd probably 'fail'
eventually

:shrug:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:42 AM
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10. "secret commission" = more of the bush 3 agenda - cockroaches and cowardice nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:58 AM
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14. Some have been trying to regularly since it was signed
into law. Previous generations have risen in arms and slapped down any attempts to screw with it. It's the baby boomers time now to get out the pitchforks and torches and let your elected pols know just how bad it will be if old people start a revolution.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 11:00 AM
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15. "Americans have not heard much of the commission"
He announced it in the State of the Union. How much more publicity do you want?
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