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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 01:31 PM
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Why THEY are not US.
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 01:45 PM by undergroundpanther
And the reason we can't get along in life with "them" is because they have no empathy,no morals.All the sociopaths /authoritarians and narcissists, around us are dangerous to our mental health and in places of power they can ruin nations and the world.. THEY are who cause the wars, beginthe corruption, cover up the truth and impede investigations into thier wrongdoing. They are the biggest problem facing non-toxic people in this world today.

Until these toxic personalities get RECOGNIZED for what they ARE by large numbers of US.These monsters won't be put out of power,lose their enablers/targets,be forced to have their assets seized and either be isolated from US for the rest of thier lives or meet a injected death or guillotine.
No one with that incurable toxic ,abusive,selfish ,evil personality type deserves to exploit the world's resouurces,'rule'over others or run anything or mess with anyone's life ever.

But it has happened they took advantage of us by abusing our TRUST.It is true that I wish the toxic personalities among us were exposed,deserted,powerless,gone,or dead. I want them made unable to harm.Forever.The only place I know that guaruntees they cannot harm again is a grave.

The enemy is not in US...It is in the sociopath/narcissist/authoritarian personality types.These abusers will use our ethics against us,mimic us,charm us,play our emotions,use rhetoric or lies to gain our pity or trust just to get away with whatever they want to do or get. When these perpetrators of atrocity get caught they warp the truth,suck up,sue, blame the victim,shoot the messenger,deny, shed crocodile tears and make fake promises,just to make us feel guilty for wanting them gone.Then when we look away,they do harm again,again and again,getting away with it, again because they warp the very meaning of being just and protecting ourselves from the harm they bring to us,quite by the perpretrators deliberate choice too...

These toxic people ruin our lives,families,social gatherings,movements and government and poison our world.No more of this tolerating the intolerable.I HATE sociopaths/authoritarian and narcissistic personalities and I am not one bit ashamed to say so.. Evil in flesh they are.Literally.

The truth is not warm or fuzzy sometimes.It goes against some people's"inherent beliefs" like...
Not all people are"inherently good", Nor do people "get what they deserve" and it's a lie that "everyone can change".Get rid of those silly solopsistic sentiments because it is doing alot to enable the systematic of killing of life on this world by sociopaths/psychopaths/authoritarian and narcissistic otherwise toxic personality types..I am not bloodthirsty,I wish there was a way to cure sociopathy/narcissism and authoritarian personality,but time is running out.We are locked on a planet with these monsters in human suits and we have to do something to stop this destruction of everything we hold dear,people, I am being realistic about a topic some find very threatening or'extreme' but it needs to be said and known,and if that upsets you you need to research into why they are NOT US and observe why you believe certain 'nice' but dangerous beliefs.

Here are some places to start. Face the cognitive dissonance and learn.Please.

Some psychologists go so far as to label the psychopath a different kind of human altogether. Psychopathy has an environmental component like nearly all aspects of personal psychology, but its source is rooted firmly in biology. This has caused some researchers to suspect that the condition isnt a disorder at all, but an adaptive trait. In a civilization made up primarily of law-abiding citizenry, the theory goes, an evolutionary niche opens up for a minority who would exploit the trusting masses.

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-unburdened-mind

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern of the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools. Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience that they seldom even guess at your condition.

In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world. You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences, will most likely remain undiscovered.

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm

about sociopaths
http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-001209.htm
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html


more on those dangerous beliefs

http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v3n2/justworld.html
http://chamberguy.blogspot.com/2008/07/sociopaths-do-not-change.html
http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-a-Sociopathic-Friend
http://country-of-liars.com/about/victim-traits/
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_macrosocial_evil.htm
http://driventodoevil.com/blog/?page_id=21


Office psychopathy
"The main lesson I have learnt is that when dealing with a sociopath, the normal rules of etiquette do not apply. You are dealing with someone who has no empathy, no conscience, no remorse, and no guilt...It is a completely different mindset. Words like 'predator' and 'evil' are often used."
http://www.softpanorama.org/Social/Toxic_managers/psychopath_in_the_corner_office.shtml

Political ponerology
http://www.ponerology.com/
http://ponerology.blogspot.com/
http://www.lovefraud.com/12_leavingAsociopath/sociopath_no_contact.html

Be careful for whom you heart bleeds for,for some out there are vampires and will feed upon your bleeding soft heart until they kill you,and everything you loved.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 01:34 PM
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1. empathy? morals?
Those concepts are so last century!

Get with the new democratic movement! It's all about power, and power is all about money. Period.

Empathy and morals are for losers and have no place here at DU. If you hate "psychopaths" so much, you must oppose them being elected. If your definitions of "psychopath" are to believed, they would apply to much of our glorious party's leadership.

Bah!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 01:52 PM
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2. I don't see a sarcasm thingy, so I'll assume you mean what
you're saying and I can't believe you said it. I could say more, but I don't want to get banned.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 01:57 PM
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4. Technically, had there been a sarcasm thingy on that post,
I could get banned.

Interpret that however you wish.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 01:56 PM
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3. Fish rots from the head down
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 02:03 PM by undergroundpanther
Yeah. I for one do not march in the "new psychopathic democratic" movement you described,I am last century,maybe even further back,to the days when The Inuit pushed psychopaths into ice to die so they could live in peace.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-psychopath-means

If that offends some here let them whine to each other,for ignorant they are,and they will destroy this world.I am not gonna pretend otherwise.The right is as toxic as the mainstream left.I am not gonna lie to please anyone.

If power and money is all that matters to them,then tyranny is running this country,psychopaths have made us a kakistocracy!!.And I don't want to live in a shitty world run by toxic people.There are people farther out on the left who do not want to live in a shitty world too but thier voices are not being heard.They see this problem with the mainstream left too.. The right, however are a toxic stew with money to burn I think they are truly shitty people encouraging more shit in the ignorant, scared and other psychopaths in our country by doing shitty things.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 01:58 PM
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5. +1
:thumbsup:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:10 PM
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6. I agree we will not defeat these people by playing nice,
trying to appease, forgiving them, or seeking to incorporate them. The only thing they know is hardball. All we can do is fight them, using our numbers --and we DO outnumber them.

Predators and vampires abound in our society and political system. If we didn't know that before the Reign of the Bushites, we know it now.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:54 PM
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7. Now we only have to agree on who the psychpaths are
It would be a giant step in making the world a better place if a giant sink hole opened up and swallowed the G20 Summit while EVERY member was in attendance.

Neoliberalism, exeptionalsim, imperialism...
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:59 PM
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8. I totally agree with you, Panther. But it's causing me some problems on another forum.
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 03:20 PM by Raksha
Re "The enemy is not in US...It is in the sociopath/narcissist/authoritarian personality types.These abusers will use our ethics against us,mimic us,charm us,play our emotions,use rhetoric or lies to gain our pity or trust just to get away with whatever they want to do or get. When these perpetrators of atrocity get caught they warp the truth,suck up,sue, blame the victim,shoot the messenger,deny, shed crocodile tears and make fake promises,just to make us feel guilty for wanting them gone.Then when we look away,they do harm again,again and again,getting away with it, again because they warp the very meaning of being just and protecting ourselves from the harm they bring to us,quite by the perpretrators deliberate choice too...

"These toxic people ruin our lives,families,social gatherings,movements and government and poison our world.No more of this tolerating the intolerable.I HATE sociopaths/authoritarian and narcissistic personalities and I am not one bit ashamed to say so.. Evil in flesh they are.Literally."


Evil in the flesh...absolutely. No argument there!

Now as to what's been happening on this other forum--I'll see if I can keep it as brief as possible, but complete enough that you'll understand where I'm coming from. Just like here at DU, over the past week we've been discussing Gen. Stanley McChrystal and his sudden(?) attack of foot-in-mouth disease, resulting in his getting canned as commander of the troops in Afghanistan.

Now McChrystal is pretty much a "textbook" psychopath according to the definition you laid out so forcefully in your post (and your previous posts). If you don't know that already it's only because you haven't been following his career very closely. But you probably do know about it, and your conclusions about him are no doubt the same as mine.

I first became aware of this monster's existence when he was first appointed commander--was it in May 2009? I can't remember the exact date but hopefully someone will fill in the blanks for me. I'm writing this from memory and not taking the time to look anything up now. At that time there were a number of articles about him, recapping the two great "highlights" of his career--i.e. running Camp Nama, a notorious black ops prison camp at Bagram AFB in Afghanistan, and his role in the cover-up of Pat Tillman's assassination, which the Army brass first tried to claim was due to enemy fire. Then it was an accident, a "friendly fire" incident. Then when that didn't stick either they tried to claim it was a fragging incident. It now appears more likely than not that it was a deliberate assassination.

After reading a couple of these articles, most of which I found through DU links, I hated the idea of McChrystal being made commander in Afghanistan, and told all and sundry that no good would come of it because the man was/is clearly a psychopath. That was the word I used--more than once, in fact.

The response of my friends--especially those who are combat vets--is being replayed now. It wasn't that they disagreed with my assessment or that they didn't have misgivings about him themselves. Their unspoken attitude was that I was being hopelessly naive and idealistic. It was like, "Well, of course McChrystal is a psychopath! He's a Special Operations guy, isn't he? Being a psychopath is part of the job description."

They didn't say it in so many words and they don't repeat it when I say it, although they use equivalent words like "ghoul" to describe him, and some of the RWW contingent (who not-so-secretly admire psychopaths) will get even more euphemistic, talking about his "unusual qualities."

The implication here (not stated in so many words, of course) is that there are certain very anti-social roles in the CIA and in Special Forces/Special Operations in the military that "we" (civilized people) don't talk about and aren't even supposed to know about, that are somehow necessary to the functioning of an empire. Roles such as torturer and assassin.

It goes without saying that I disagree emphatically with that assessment. I think it's ALWAYS a mistake to seek out and empower such people for any reason, under the mistaken belief that their anti-social tendencies can somehow be kept within bounds and won't get turned on their "handlers" down the line.




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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 05:53 PM
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11. We agree
I hate fucking, Mc Crystal too

Think of it this way.

If running a corrupt empire of shit or if your object is to dominate,humiliate, torture,rob and destroy Mc Crystal is your monster.

BUT OTOH,if you are running a country of decent caring citizens who seek ideals like equality,dignity, human rights,and want them to be fair be involved in the communities ,stand up for each other and human rights,people who CARE about others well being and who are FREE and want others to be free too, than Mc Chrystal is a poison to this country and belongs in jail or on an injection table getting put to death for war crimes.


Freedom cannot happen for the good in humanity until psychopaths among us are no longer free,as in neutralized.That means on a micro-personal relationships way,and a macro as in national/world policy.

The G20 knows they are despised psychopaths,that is why they toot about security so much, and it is why the CIA hides black ops, and the DOD robs us all.It's BECAUSE THE PSYCHOPATHS know WE Cannot live or be free around them,unless we get rid of them..it is the public who fears them and the public that is ignorant and manipulated by them.The public is in denial, ignorant, and scared.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:49 PM
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9. i don't know if this tracks exactly with your really wonderful post, but i was thinking today that
our Senate has become the US version of the House of Lords, which makes the House equivalent to the House of Commons. broad strokes, but the point is that once they are granted entrance to the US House of Lords, they pledge alliegiance to the values of Lords and not the values of the "commons."

and, it's pure narcissicism, i think, enabling that affiliation. once admitted into this "elevated" group (or any elevated group) sociopathic behavior becomes "the way things are done," and anyone who says otherwise is naive.

i guess what i'm rolling around to is that the system is structured to reward sociopathic behavior of the "nobility" and so when we see this sort of disease in our workplace/etc it's from those who identify with the "Lords" -- ladder climbers, sycophants, etc.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 12:50 AM
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13. 1 in 4 people
Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 12:56 AM by undergroundpanther
have toxic traits,and will identify with 'lords'.But remember this tho: the 'lords' power is fake based on,abuse ,ignorance of psychopathy and the ways of using self defence against abusers (like boundaries,verbal counters, or how to stop stalkers etc., obedience and fear.

Real power is found by using your conscience, despite what appears to be happening,and not bowing down to some authoritarian twit..Because in not bowing down to fake power you show sociopaths and non-sociopaths alike what REAL power is,and where it resides,in honoring ones conscience even when others are scared to do it.. it shine out from you like a bolt from the sky lighting the path to freedom from bullying oppression,thundering the truth reminding all if they have a conscience within themselves too they have power to stand free too, if they choose to..

OTOH it reminds the toadies and psychopaths their 'power' is fake,that it is just an illusion,a manipulation, a fear based bogeyman, a bunch of empty noise, when people no longer believe they are entitled to 'rule' as 'lords' over anybody,they have to face the truth that without abusing others and power they are nobody, nothing, invisible..
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SJC55 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:52 PM
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10. K&R
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:00 PM
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12. Corporate Capitalism is Sociopathy institutionalized as civil dogma.
Sociopaths must be flushed out of the body politic and dumped on a desert island together so they can all kill themselves.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 01:08 AM
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14. who are THEY though?
In DU parlance, "they" is anyone who votes Republican, and also conserva-dems. Well, one toxic person that your post made me think of happrnd to be a democrat.

DU always seems to want to declare a bunch of people as "sharks" who are full of perfidity unlike the totally virtuous Jets http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/122, but I tend to agree with Solzhenitsyn If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 01:16 AM
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15. I'm not interested in murder, thanks.
"and either be isolated from US for the rest of thier lives or meet a injected death or guillotine."

This isn't the first time you've posted something like this. What's the point of distinguishing ourselves from people without consciences if we remorselessly kill them.
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