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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:29 PM Original message |
Glenn Greenwald: The weak, helpess, impotent Presidency |
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tmyers09 (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sadly, the message, no matter what it is, will be attacked, |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I for one am happy there is a fairly strong Liberal voice out there trying to hold Obama's feet to |
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Mathilda (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. I only like Krugman and Greenwald |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Please check out Bob Herbert (NYT), Naomi Klein, Matt Taibbi. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Reads like some bad 4chan troll. |
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tmyers09 (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Why must you always post snark? |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. It's The Nature Of The... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. Article was one long strawman. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
78. please enlighten -- what's the strawman? what's the conflation - what's the baseline? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. Are you kidding? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. thought i'd put the invite out there -- wouldn't want to be inhospitable. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. So now that you know only constructive is allowed, you are going |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Did you miss the term 'unitary executive?' |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Has the office evolved at all since the founding of the USA? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Explain this then |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. That awful Glenn Greenwald! Will he never stop? |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I hope not. Obama needs to listen to people's voices because we elected him |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. + 1 |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. He DID ask us to hold him to his promises |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. it's actually *more than* just keeping him to his promises, it's about providing political cover |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. DU needs an ostrich as a mascot. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
63. lol |
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Mathilda (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. What part of his piece do you disagree with |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I believe that was sarcasm. n/t |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. omg -- i think you're correct. so hard to tell these days. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. would be great to see a substantive refutation of the piece, KB. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. Honest debate welcomes criticism |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. i would add that the political process goes far beyond the WH and President Obama, so it behooves us |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Good point, Nashville |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Obama was handed the administration after "the store" had already been robbed -- we either |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. adding -- those who've stolen the process have/had no intention of just handing it back. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
92. Lyndon Johnson complained because |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R for Glenn Greenwald |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. Excellent article - please to Recommend this post. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. i r'd, but was still at nada |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
17. K&R -- interesting to read beyond the headline -- refutation of the |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
23. LHD Greenwald hits another foul ball. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. what's "LHD"? |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Left Handed Demon? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. HAHAHA!! how about Long Horned Devil. Lemon Hussy Doormat. Likewise Horror Dankitude. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Lurching Hairy Daisies. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. "Lurking Harpy of Doom?" |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Lord High Douchenozzle n/t |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. In other words you have nothing but snark. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. No, I have every article his Lord High Douchenozzleness has ever written |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. so, go ahead and post a cogent response to this article. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. Not gonna happen! |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. I thought Skinner did a Big Post about this kind of Snark Attack today in GD? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. definitely lounge-worthy. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Deleted message |
inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
77. This "Lord High Douchenozzle" BS is complete idiocy and flamebait. |
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Mathilda (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Have you guys noticed that Greenwald critics rarely explain why he's wrong? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. it's a shame too, b/c all too often the piece isn't read -- it's just screamed at. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I doubt most of them ever made it past the headline. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. or byline. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Very few of us who would DARE to criticize his Lord High Douchenozzleness |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. You could start with the just the ones in this piece then. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Deleted message |
nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
79. so, DARE to vent your critique here. try to change some minds -- it is a DISCUSSION forum |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
60. See post 42. n/t |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. I just did a defense of Glenn in Post #56..but I doubt it will be read... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 04:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
102. they know he's right |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. outstanding article k & r.! nt |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
41. K & R #1 nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
42. Greenwald and Bernstein/Chait are really talking about different aspects of Presidential Power. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
47. Memo to Greenwald: "The buck stops here" is no longer operable since our guy won. K&R |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. Very hard hitting article |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
52. K&R |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
54. K&R for Greenwald |
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Synnical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
55. Reads about correct to me. n/t |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
56. In defense of Glenn...I can say that many DU'ers know that Bush/Cheney got EVERYTHING THEY WANTED! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
82. so true. i can't believe that they were more successful in advancing their agenda b/c |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #82 |
94. Simply because they wanted their |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
57. K&R |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. And yet he can unilaterally order a hit. . . . . n/t |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
61. The title, word choices & tone are a complete turnoff, so any constructive criticism is lost. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Yet...you cannot spare the time or words to refute a thing he says and won't read |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. I'm saying his approach to the argument inhibits his ability to attract an audience. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Justicia...he has a wide viewing audience. You can't accept that just because you don't find him to |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. So, no criticism of Greenwald is allowed? Only his criticism of the president? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. You could have posted where you felt he was wrong for discussion purposes... |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Sorry you don't like criticism of Greenwald. Ironic, isn't it? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Don't both You and I post here on DU to attract an AUDIENCE for OUR own views? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 04:28 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Ironic, isn't it? |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
62. K&R |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
66. Cheney Took The Presidency Too Far, Obama Is Reigning It In |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Post #56... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Read It |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Thanks for reading.. I've always been a skeptical, questioning person...so |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. If Only Constitutional Law Were Merely About Common Sense |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Glenn Greenwald is also a Constitutional Lawyer...so that's another opinion.. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Then He Should Know Better Than To Wish That Obama Should Behave As Lawlessly As Cheney |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
83. The presidency is legislatively weak, not executively weak (for lack of a better term.) |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. In practice, not so much |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. That's correct, but they have to be granted statutory authority first. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. The statutory delegations are generally quite broad- though of course, they can change |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
84. K & R !!! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
95. Salon should fire Greenwald for put out this affront to journalistic integrity |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Can you expound on your views of where Greenwald is WRONG in what he posts at Salon? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Here read the truth |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. And? |
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Mathilda (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. You were asked your own opinion, not the opinion of an Iraq War vocal supporter |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Welcome to DU! |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 04:30 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. MATHILDA NAILS IT |
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