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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:16 PM
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BP Blocks Attempt to Save Endangered Sea Turtles from Oil Fire
Edited on Fri Jun-18-10 06:24 PM by G_j
http://www.seaturtles.org/article.php?id=1660

BP Blocks Attempt to Save Endangered Sea Turtles from Oil Spill
June 16th, 2010

A shrimp boat captain in Louisiana hired by BP was blocked from rescuing juvenile Kemp's ridleys that were covered in oil in the Gulf waters. He was captured on video saying that the turtles are being collected in the clean-up efforts and burned up like so much ocean debris with other marine life gathering along tide lines where oil also congregates.

He witnessed BP workers burning turtles caught in the oil booms. Rescue efforts are being ended tomorrow.

STRP's Gulf Director Carole Allen responded to the news by saying "The burning of boom and oil when even one sea turtle was seen in the water is a despicable crime."

STRP's Chris Pincetich has been in communication with both the reporter who shot the interview and the Captain who witnessed the illegal killing of sea turtles, and is making arrangements to ensure that sea turtle rescue efforts are not stopped, and can be performed in areas with boomed oil.

The Los Angeles Times reported on the "Death by Fire" June 17:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oil-spill-burnbox-20100617,0,4814068.story


Death by fire in the gulf
So-called burn boxes are torching oil from the water's surface at the sacrifice of turtles, crabs, sea slugs and other sea life.

By Kim Murphy, Los Angeles Times
June 17, 2010

Reporting from the Gulf of Mexico
Here on the open ocean, 12 miles from ground zero of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, the gulf is hovering between life and death.

The large strands of sargassum seaweed atop the ocean are normally noisy with birds and thick with crustaceans, small fish and sea turtles. But now this is a silent panorama, heavy with the smell of oil.

There are no birds. The seaweed is soaked in rust-colored crude and chemical dispersant. It is devoid of life except for the occasional juvenile sea turtle, speckled with oil and clinging to the only habitat it knows. Thick ribbons of oil spread out through the sea like the strips in egg flower soup, gorgeous and deadly.

..more..

Venice, Louisiana, Boat Captain/ by Catherine Craig:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kjw3_bMk8o&feature=player_embedded

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:23 PM
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1. I called bp about this and was
told that I could not believe 70% to 80% of what I was seeing or reading.
The news was just lying to me. Also, that a lot of the clips that one was seeing on the news was from the Exxon-Valdez spill

I told them that I could not fathom why scientists would lie about something like this.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:27 PM
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5. I just added the video of the boat captain to the OP
I believe it
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:36 PM
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12. I did not agree with them
I was just stating what they told me.

Too much negative coming from bp to give then much on the truth issue
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:44 PM
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18. I know you didn't, AND on top of the BS they gave you......
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/14/bp-call-center /

Operator At BP Call Center Says Company Never Does Anything With The Calls: Were Just A Diversion

To demonstrate that its responsibly taking care of the oil spill and listening to public complaints, BP has touted the fact that it has set up call centers to handle the response. However, one of the operators at the BP Call Center in West Houston has revealed that she and the other 100 employees are just PR props; BP isnt actually doing anything with the thousands of calls it receives:

We take all your information and then we have nothing to give them, nothing to give them, said Janice.

Janice said calls about the oil disaster are non-stop and that operators are just warm bodies on the other end of the phone.

Were a diversion to stop them from really getting to the corporate office, to the big people, said Janice. Because the operators believe the calls never get past them, some dont even bother taking notes.


BP told KHOU in Houston that it has received more than 200,000 phone messages from the Call Center in Houston, but it couldnt say just what percentage of calls is returned.

CAP Senior Fellow Tom Kenworthy and the Wonk Rooms Brad Johnson have written that ederal agencies, not BP, should handle spill response hotlines for volunteers, technology ideas, affected wildlife, and others. Full call records need to be logged with incident reports and technology ideas presented publicly on dynamic websites. (HT: Raw Story)
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:33 PM
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9. You can't believe 70-80% of what BP says, if it isn't 100%
I don't recall boomed oil being burned in Valdez incident, but even if they did, I don't think many people were concerned about the baby Rigley Kemp turtles up there.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:02 PM
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32. That's because there are no Kemp's ridley sea turtles up there
the endangered species is found primarily in the Gulf. :scared:
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:38 PM
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14. OMG.
Do they really believe people are stupid enough to not be able to tell the difference between footage from 20 YEARS AGO, in ALASKA, to 2010 in the GULF OF MEXICO?? WTF?

I hate these fuckers with a burning white hot passion.


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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:41 PM
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16. a lot of the clips that one was seeing on the news was from the Exxon-Valdez spill
Well, isn't that the spill they prepared for.. with walruses and all?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 11:23 AM
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53. Exxon Valdez---where the shoreline is rocky & people wear cold-climate clothes?
:rofl: that is the height of absurdity since the Gulf is a hot and sandy shoreline.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:24 PM
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2. Honestly, this makes me want to cry.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:25 PM
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3. The fuckers don't even care that they get caught.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:24 PM
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37. nO THEY DON'T AND OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CARE TO CATCH THEM EITHER!
In facct i would say our government has given them the green light to do any damn thing they want to our Gulf anf our eco system and our marine and wild life and to human beings they are expsong to all kinds of Toxins!

Welcome to the New America ..run by the New Democrats!

From a gulf Coast resident.

and to those who want and proceed to sell us out in the Gulf..you have toxins coming your way soon enough from this shit!..It will be your kids and their kids living with this in the near future.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:26 PM
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4. I hate them. I hate them. I hate them.
I hate the MMS. I hate the people who turned a blind eye. I hate them. I hate them.

:cry:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:26 PM
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38. Awwww
I can't stop :cry: either when I think about it. :hug:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:46 PM
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43. Thank you girlfriend
Backatcha with love :hug:
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:27 PM
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6. Federal government has ALLOWED BP to do this ecocide!
Edited on Fri Jun-18-10 06:28 PM by Mimosa
Do we have any Senators or Congresscritters who are environmentalists for REAL? I do not think so.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:29 PM
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7. This, my friends, is what world-ending doom looks like
Which habitats to sacrifice? The unseen ones, of course.

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:33 PM
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8. How much will Lousiana take?
Throw the freaking BP bums out your state!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:37 PM
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13. Child of Isis, the FEDS make the rules
Louisiana gets less of oil and gas revenues than any other oil producing state. And the Obama administration will not let that change. Obama's administration has allowed BP -along with the Coast Guard- to control whatever happens to our wetlands.

Haven't you seen what happens when states try to make their own rules? The Justice dept will file suit to stop them.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:47 PM
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21. BP supplies 80% of oil to the troops in Iraq.
I read that somewhere today. It is obvious what the hell is going on here.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:34 PM
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10. OMFG. Please do not tell me they burn dying, but still alive, turtles???

I don't even want to know. I just can't take it anymore.

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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:16 PM
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57. from the video in the OP
it does sound like the turtles are alive. Heartless, souless bastards.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:35 PM
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11. What recourse do we have?
I am so outraged I cannot see any end to it.

These people are criminals of the worst sort, and they must pay for their crimes.

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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:45 PM
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19. Go to your elected officials
Tell them to throw BP out or you will throw them out. How many people are in Louisana anyway? 4,492,076...I just looked it up.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:40 PM
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15. Flood the WH with emails peoples!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:48 PM
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23. we must try everything!
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:52 PM
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28. white house e-mail links here.
Tell them to throw BP out of the state of Louisiana. Now!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:43 PM
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17. They didn't give a shit about 11 humans, why would they
Edited on Fri Jun-18-10 06:43 PM by Rex
even raise an eye to killing animals like sea turtles!? This is a corporation after Dick Cheney's own heart! I hear he has divorced Halliburton and wants a shotgun marriage to BP...OH IM SORRY...B O P. :eyes:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 09:52 AM
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50. Exactly! Evil soulless bastards!
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:45 PM
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20. Unfathomable cruelty. There are no words to express my outrage.
So I will simply cry for the innocents.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:47 PM
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22. Thanks for posting
If they are exposed, they won't continue to do things like this.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:00 PM
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31. They are exposed and no one stops them
that is why it is hard for the people that care to understand that someone is in charge.
It appears to many that no one is in charge, and no one cares, that can change the way things are being done

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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:41 PM
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42. the Department of Wildlife should be there
Edited on Fri Jun-18-10 07:41 PM by Beringia
The next best bet is the Humane Society. But I do realize there is no one specifically tasked to take care of wild animals in disasters.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 08:27 PM
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44. Also!
The org. linked in the OP,

Sea Turtle Restoration Project
STRP works tirelessly to protect endangered sea turtles and other marine species from the numerous threats to their survival on beaches and in their ocean home. But we couldn't do our work without the generous support of individuals, foundations and businesses who care deeply about gentle, fascinating sea turtles and their ocean environment.

http://www.seaturtles.org/section.php?id=60
``````````````````````
& The National Wildlife Foundation,

WILDLIFE EMERGENCY
Please help today!

Sea turtle

Millions of gallons of oil have oozed into the water since the April 20th rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico. Some estimates calculate the oil flow to be up to 60,000 barrels of oil a daythats 2.5 million gallons of oil a day contaminating our waters and threatening wildlife and sensitive habitats!

And we still dont know when it will stop.

The wildlife casualties are adding up. Hundreds of birds and sea turtles have already been found dead. Hundreds more animals are struggling to survive, drenched in toxic oil. Sadly, this is just the beginning of whats in store for wildlife in the region due to this devastating tragedy.

Please donate today to support National Wildlife Federations efforts on-the-ground to confront this crisis. Were tracking and reporting on the impacts of the oil spill, and were setting up an extensive network of volunteers that will support wildlife rescue and rehabilitation efforts and restore damaged coastal ecosystems in the Gulf of Mexico.

Were working hard to safeguard the treasured wildlife and wild places impacted by this catastrophe. But we need your help to get the job done.

http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife.aspx

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
& taken from a DU post,

Links to help people and wildlife harmed by the BP catastrophe

Category: Pets and Animals
I'm lucky to know of two orgs which have positive reputations for helping people and wildlife in the South Louisiana and Mississippi areas. http://www.audubon.org /

And Catholic Relief Services will help people out of work, like the fishing communities. Here's a link to the Diocese in the afflicted community, Houma/Terrebonne. The Bishop's fund to help people who are losing their jobs because of the spill also happens to take PayPal. http://www.htdiocese.org/.../tabid/1163/Default.aspx

And last but not least the wonderful Audubon Zoo runs the primary responder program to rescue Sea Turtles and marine mammals: http://www.auduboninstitute.org/gulf-oil-spill-resources

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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:49 PM
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24. Somebody post phone numbers of elected officials, e-mails
whatever! Let's get to flooding.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:50 PM
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26. for starters
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:49 PM
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25. Nevermind, I think the captain is in another link!
Edited on Fri Jun-18-10 06:51 PM by tnlefty
:hi:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:51 PM
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27. sorry, clink on the first link and scroll down
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:53 PM
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29. I just gave Sea Turtle Restoration Project some money...
I hope it will help.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:15 PM
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36. thank you!
:yourock:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 06:58 PM
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30. What planet are these people at BP from - they seem to think the only
valuable thing in nature is oil. I cannot believe the things they are doing.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 08:43 PM
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45. Why would they think any different?
Have industrialized nations acted in any way to indicate to oil companies that anything other than a continuous and ever growing supply of oil was important?

The answer, of course, is no, not in the slightest. Now pardon me I need to use my SUV to pick up my 2-stroke lawn tractor to mow my 4 acres of lawn and spread a few tons of petroleum derived fertilizers, insecticides, and herbicides. the lawn is the envy of the whole neighborhood!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 01:07 PM
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56. That is so I guess - up here in northern MN we are very conscious
of preserving the nature around us - but you are correct very few of us are trying to change our oil dependent lifestyles. Even those of us who are usually are doing little things that do not cramp our style.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:03 PM
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33. Another day, another heartbreak.
:cry:

I can't take much more.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:03 PM
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34. Isn't it a crime to kill endangered species?
:grr:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:04 PM
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35. it was
:shrug:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:31 PM
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39. Apparently not for corporations.
This burns me up. :mad:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:32 PM
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40. I'm beyond enraged by this.
I'm both angry and deeply sad at the time time. :(
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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:33 PM
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41. The turtles are evidence, they let them
burn and sink, no evidence. The animals that we do see might be 1% of what has really been affected. Every rescued abimal is just the tip of the iceberg. The wildlife toll is immense and uncountable. And BP knows it.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 08:55 PM
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46. That makes me sick. These people have been playing with a pickup crew
and in reactive mode the whole time. They are not being held responsible and the government is not overseeing this.

This is a systemic failure and proves what a bunch of grab ass morons can do to destroy out country.

What is clusterfuck.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 10:34 PM
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47. 'a systemic failure' and this apect of clean up isn't 5000 ft down
there are other people who could be doing this.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 12:34 AM
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48. what can we do to stop this?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 08:59 AM
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49. good question!
:shrug:
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 11:17 AM
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51. i've signed petitions....but what else? why is this allowed?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 11:20 AM
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52. this part of the clean up is not 5000 ft. down
I don't understand why BP is still calling the shots.
:mad:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 12:29 PM
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54. Kicking


And Rec'd


:kick:


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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 12:31 PM
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55. how fucking revolting...
they are on a sinking ship and want to take everyone and everything down with them.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 08:02 PM
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58. Truly sickening.
:kick:
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