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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:03 PM Original message |
Textbook Describing Down Syndrome As ‘Error’ Triggers Debate |
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ProgressiveVictory (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. from what I learned in Bio class, its a dan replication error. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Hmmm. Error implies something. |
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ProgressiveVictory (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. true. what would be a better word for what happens instead of error? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. 'Statistical Deviation from the Observed Norm' |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Anomaly, I suppose... |
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ProgressiveVictory (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Isnt an anomaly rare tho? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. well, one can set different thresholds for "rare." |
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ProgressiveVictory (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. true. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Unlike your example, the term's appropriate in this case |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It is a replication error... But the issue here isn't science... |
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ProgressiveVictory (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. i agree. I'm just saying what causes it in the first place. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. and I'm agreeing with you... |
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ProgressiveVictory (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. :) |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. True enough |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Yeah, one advantage of being on the receiving end of bullying- a sense of humor. |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. exactly |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. just to be clear, nondisjunction isn't a replication error per se... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Yes... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. but the source of the problem is the wording in a biology text... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. that is what I have been saying thoughout... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. thanks for clarifying.... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Back at ya |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. shit like this makes my head hurt... |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. what change of terms? |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. The majority of humans have some kind of genetic mutation |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Yes... one of those "teachable moments" |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Excellent point, well taken. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. It IS an error |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Yep. I'd dispute "mental retardation," but not that the trisomy is an error. (nt) |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
18. I don't agree with the use of mental retardation, but Trisomy 21 IS an error. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
20. Then CF and PKU should also be replaced with 'friendlier language' |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. That's a tough one - a change that occurred during conception? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
26. it's called nondisjunction and it is indeed a meiosis error... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I think, more simply, there is this: |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. I suppose they could as easily characterize it as "unique" |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. as a biologist, I disagree.... |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I understand, scientifically |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Discussing an error at the cell division level... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. that's a good point-- this sort of thing isn't generally taught to young children.... |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Second sentence of the article specifies seventh grade (nt) |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. Kids with unusual characteristics |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
35. It is merely scientific terminology, not an insult |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-11-10 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. The Lewises aren't all that different from fundies |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
44. There is no need to change the language; it is used properly |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Word changes |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-12-10 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
46. If you accept that the function of genes is to replicate themselves as accurately as possible |
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