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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:17 AM
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Who wants to gag Sibel Edmonds? And why? (with answers!)
Edited on Wed May-09-07 08:04 AM by lukery
I was explaining the case of FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds' to a friend yesertday, and she asked a good question:
"Do we have a good sense about why the FBI didn't want to pursue this investigation?"


The short answer is "Yeah, mostly" - downstairs I'll lay out what we know, and then we'll discuss some possible complications/wrinkles to the narrative.

The Pentagon and the State Department want Sibel to STFU to protect their profitable racket.

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I was explaining the Sibel Edmonds' case to a friend, and she asked a good question:
"Do we have a good sense about why the FBI didn't want to pursue this investigation?"


The short answer is "Yeah, mostly" - I'll lay out what we know, and then we'll discuss some possible complications/wrinkles to the narrative.

Sibel has repeatedly emphasized that much of what she learnt was the result of FBI Counter-Intelligence (CI) programs - and a large component of CI is simply monitoring places like embassies, and groups like AIPAC and the American Turkish Council (ATC).

We know that CI was conducting ongoing monitoring of these groups, and by all accounts it would be a breach of duty not to do so - that's why there's such a body of documented evidence in Sibel's case. We know that embassies are 'protected' space (legally, I don't think they are actually on "US soil" - or some similar concoction) - and any nefarious activity that is uncovered there can't be acted on - however, once the activity extends beyond an embassy, then it falls within the purview of the FBI. Vanity Fair reported that there were many phone calls discussing illegal activity between the Turkish Embassy and the (non-'protected') ATC which ought to mean that the case becomes actionable.

When CI discovers such illegal activity, they are supposed to hand the case over to the relevant division at the FBI - e.g. Counterterrorism (CT), narcotics, criminal etc. As Sibel repeatedly states, in her case(s) this never happened. (Remember that Sibel's cases include drug-running, terrorism, public corruption, nuclear black market & illegal arms trafficking.)

For example, in Sibel's Hijacking of a Nation, Part 2, she writes:
"For years and years, information and evidence being collected by the counterintelligence operations of certain U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies has been prevented from being transferred to criminal and narcotics divisions, and from being shared with the Drug Enforcement Agency and others with prosecutorial power."


(as an aside, it's interesting here that Sibel is saying that the problem extends beyond the FBI, she is apparently saying that CI investigations by the CIA are buried in the same manner. We know that the CIA's cover company, Brewster Jennings, was also investigating the ATC.)

In Sibel's open letter to Thomas Kean and the 911 Commission, she also notes that even when CI uncovers relevant information pertaining to terrorism, say the 911 attacks, that information isn't handed over to the counterterrorism branch at the FBI. As I understand it, CI had relevant information pertaining to 911, and they didn't hand it over to CT, even after the attacks.

Why didn't counterintelligence hand these cases to the relevant bodies?
In Sibel's letter to the 911 Commission, she writes:
"If counterintelligence receives information about terrorism that implicates certain nations, semi-legit organizations or the politically powerful in this country, then that information is not shared with counterterrorism, regardless of the consequences."
In other words, CI (under pressure) is protecting:
* Certain nations - Turkey, and probably Israel, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some of the 'Stans.
* Semi-legit organizations - the American Turkish Council, Assembly of Turkish American Associations (and others), and probably AIPAC.
* Politically powerful - Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Eric Edelman, Marc Grossman and Dennis Hastert - and probably Paul Wolfowitz, Bob Livingston, Stephen Solarz and others.

Who is pressuring CI to not move on the cases?
In Sibel's letter to the 911 Commission, she writes "In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents have cited "direct pressure by the State Department."" In an interview with Chris Deliso, Sibel states
"The Department of State is easily the most corrupted of the major government agencies.""


Not only was the State Department ensuring that none of these cases were acted on, they were also in charge of shutting down all aspects of Sibel's case, with guidance from the Pentagon. As ex-CIA agent Phil Giraldi notes in Kill The Messenger, the recent movie about Sibel's case:
The 'State Secret Privilege' was invoked not by the FBI but by the Pentagon and the State Department!
Apparently the State Department can dictate to the Dept of Justice, as well as the FBI, as Sibel relates in Gagged But Not Dead:
The attorney general cites two reasons to justify the unconstitutional, panic-driven assault on me. Reason one: to protect certain diplomatic relations – not named since our officials are obviously ashamed to admit to these relations. Reason two: to protect certain U.S. business interests.

Let's take each one and dissect it (I have given up on our mass media to do that for us!). Since when is the Department of Justice in the business of protecting U.S. diplomatic relations? They appear to be acting as a mouthpiece for the State Department. Now that's one entity that has strong reasons to cover up what will end up being considered a mammoth blunder. It is the American people and their outrage they must be worried about; they wouldn't want to have a few of their top officials held criminally liable; would they?

As for reason two, I can assure you that the U.S. foreign business relations they may be referring to are not among those that benefit the majority of the American people. But the American people's security and best interests are being sacrificed for a handful of military-industrial entities and their lobbying arms. And since when are nuclear black market activities considered legitimate business, one may wonder?
In other words, for those of you who might think that the State Dept might have legitimate reasons for burying investigations in order to maintain diplomatic relations, that's not what is going on here.

Why would the State Department facilitate criminal activity?
Because the people involved are criminals.

As Vanity Fair reported,
"According to (Sibel's) later secure testimony, in one conversation... a Turkish official spoke directly to a U.S. State Department staffer. They suggested that the State Department staffer would send a representative at an appointed time to the American-Turkish Council office, at 1111 14th St. NW, where he would be given $7,000 in cash. “She told us she’d heard mention of exchanges of information, dead drops—that kind of thing,” a congressional source says. “It was mostly money in exchange for secrets...

...Yet another (conversation) implied that Turkish groups had been installing doctoral students at U.S. research institutions in order to acquire information about black market nuclear weapons. In fact, much of what Edmonds reportedly heard seemed to concern not state espionage but criminal activity...””


Daniel Ellsberg was more explicit:
"there's a great deal of dealing of information in illicit arms trades including, (Sibel) says, nuclear information, from our nuclear weapons labs - for which cold cash is paid - to people in the labs, and to people, she says, to people in the State Department - who have essentially given 'OKs' for various trades, or have turned a blind eye - deliberately - to it."
Former Deputy Secretary of State, Marc Grossman, apparently was a key player in the criminal enterprise. When he left State in 2005, he immediately began earning the big bucks - more than $2 million p.a. Sibel argues that this payoff was for selling his soul, and selling out the national interest while he was in office.

Possible Complications to the Narrative
At the top of this post, I mentioned that there are some wrinkles/complications to "why the FBI didn't want to pursue this investigation?" - I'll outline them here.

FBI Translation Unit
We know that the FBI Translation Unit didn't even have any Turkish translators until Sibel joined immediately after 911. This is somewhat surprising given Turkey's " importance in the areas of terrorism, money laundering, illegal arms sales, industrial and military espionage, and the nuclear black-market." Occasionally the Translation Unit would temporarily borrow a Turkish translator from elsewhere, say, the Pentagon or the State Dept, to translate documents & wiretaps for them. I presume this was seen as a feature, not a bug.

We also know that the FBI Translation Unit was infiltrated by 'enemy elements' no later than November 2001. We also know that three-quarters of Sibel's translation work was retrospective - translating (and 're-translating') stuff going back to 1996.

It is conceivable, therefore, that the Translation Unit was actually compromised much earlier than 2001, and that CI simply wasn't even getting (some of) the important, relevant translations. That is, perhaps a partial explanation of why CI didn't move on these cases is because they simply weren't receiving (some of) the damning evidence.

Illegal Spying
In March 2007, new evidence was released by a Special Agent Gilbert Graham from the Turkish counterintelligence program (the same program that Sibel was working on) indicating that many of the wiretaps that Sibel translated were illegally acquired. FBI headquarters and senior Justice Department officials had illegally arranged FISA warrants (designed to be used on foreigners) to spy on matters of domestic public corruption. According to James Bamford, the case involved people "in the Turkish government, there were people involved in Turkish lobbies, people involved in the Bush administration, high officials in the Bush administration who were getting payoffs, getting money."

According the the NSWBC, "Graham blew the whistle (in 2002) on this illegal behavior, but the actions were covered up by the Department of Justice and the Attorney General’s office."

The story can become a little bit complicated, but the short version is that a) the FBI was spying illegally b) the illegal spying uncovered massive criminality c) nobody did anything about a) or b)

We aren't exactly sure why the FBI was spying illegally - but maybe it was because the FBI was blackmailing the targets of the investigations. As Sibel states:
"Another troubling aspect of this new case is the fact that we don't know what they did with this information that they obtained illegally. Obviously they did not transfer it to the criminal division to be investigated – so what did they do with this information? Based on what we are getting from our sources, and these are people who have recently left the Bureau, it would not be illogical to actually consider the fact that the Bureau and the Justice Department may be using this information to actually blackmail people within Congress."

It's a felony to use FISA warrants to to conduct domestic investigations - so it appears we have an imperfect storm where nobody wants any of the information to become public. Here's Sibel, again:
"Everybody was happy in the end because on one hand you have corrupt congressional representatives – several of them, and they know who they are and they know about this case. Then, you have people in the State Department – you have at least one individual within the State Department – you have two or three individuals within the Pentagon and you also have certain well-known lobbyists. So this was a case where the Justice Department didn't want their own illegal actions, in terms of conducting these wiretap operations, to be known – so they had their own reason of quashing this thing and basically wanting to cover it up via the State Secrets Privilege.

You had the State Department wanting to have it covered up, you had the Pentagon, and then also you had the Congress not having the reason, the motivation – which should be representing the American people and fulfilling their obligations to the American people – not wanting to touch the case because it's a controversial case."

Hastert
There was one element of Sibel's case that nearly resulted in charges. Dennis Hastert is accused of taking bribes variety of bribes. In 1999, the Clinton Administration actually asked the Department of Justice to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Hastert. The process got derailed with the impeachment hearings, and instead of Hastert going to prison, he ended up as Speaker. Ashcroft closed the case in 2001 when Sibel started kicking up a storm. Sibel has direct first hand documented evidence of this, but Hastert is essentially a distraction from the main issues in Sibel's case.

AIPAC Investigation
If you look at the details of the AIPAC case (Franklin, and Rosen & Weissman) you quickly see that the investigation began at some point before 1999, but there wasn't any activity till Franklin waltzed onto the scene in 2003. An argument can plausibly be made, therefore, that it isn't unusual for a case of this nature to be stuck in CI for years. However, as Sibel explains, the AIPAC investigation was actually a "sister operation" to the investigation into the ATC - in other words, the same people were being investigated, the same issues were involved, and, undoubtedly, the State Department and the Pentagon was inflicting the same pressure.


One thing is for sure - open public hearings by Henry Waxman would certianly clear up many outstanding questions, and would put many of the guilty parties in prison. Sibel guarantees it.

As you know, we've been demanding that Waxman hold hearings - details at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak. It will only take a day or two - as she says:
"It's not a case (that needs) to be investigated, that part has already been done by the Senate Judiciary Committee, by the DoJ's Inspector Generals office, so it just have to have a hearing and just put an end to it and see some oversight and accountability as a result. "


And given the nature of Sibel's work, all of her claims are backed up by documented proof. Sibel has issued a challenge:
"Put out those tapes. Put out those wiretaps. Put out those documents. Put out the truth. The truth is going to hurt them. The truth is going to set me free."


As I mentionedyesterday, at some point later this week, we will have some new content being released, and when that gets published, we'll start with the phones again - calling Waxman's office demanding hearings. We'll need your help.

(let me know if you want to be added to an email list for announcements)


(please note that some references/links have been removed because DU has a policy of not allowing me to link to a certain site that has conducted some of the best interviews with Sibel)

x-posted at my place http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2007/05/who-wants-to-g...
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lokione Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:30 AM
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1. Sibel needs to move to a free country
And write her book!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:33 AM
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3. Wouldn't it be great if
"Kill the Messenger" could get a US release?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:38 AM
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6. i'll try to get an update for you n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:38 AM
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7. Thanks
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:37 AM
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4. i told her she'd love it here in australia!
i don't think i convinced her though.

it'd be difficult to get further away from "sin city" DC - so Australia has that going in its favour.
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:31 AM
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16. I Would Like to Move to a Democracy Too
I've heard Australia may be one of 'em. What do you say Luke?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:43 AM
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18. come one, come all
we have beaches and everything.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 10:24 AM
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34. Hi lokione!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:30 AM
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40. Hi Newyawker99! You have over 144,000 posts!!!
It's so great that you always welcome the newbies!! :grouphug:

:yourock:

:kick: :kick:
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 02:45 AM
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72. and it seems like only yesterday she hit 100000
she is just growing up so fast :loveya:

cant wait to party at 200k
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 10:27 AM
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35. Or maybe
we help her make this one free again
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 10:34 AM
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37. i'm all for that
we'd all be better off.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:31 AM
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2. Thanks again.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:38 AM
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5. Thanks particularly for the Brewster Jennings/ATC mention.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:40 AM
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8. is that new to you? n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:45 AM
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9. Not at all.
I want people to piece it all together, particularly in light of the Valerie Plame outing.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:54 AM
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11. chinese walls
btw - sibel scoffs at the notion that there were 'walls' (or whatever the hell they complained about) restricting info flows from cia to fbi etc re 911.

my guess is that brewster jennings kinda fits in there some place.

it's interesting that State had (effectively) shut down that BJ investigation too.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:51 AM
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10. dkos version
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:58 AM
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12. one rec?
sheesh!

i thought i'd get more than that just out of sympathy :-)
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:30 AM
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15. We're Up to 6 Now
Patience, grasshopper.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:38 AM
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17. BUT! BUT! BUT!
i spent at least an hour on this! I want answers now!

seriously, if i was sibel i'd be out of my mind by now. 5.5 years, and still nothing. sheesh.
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:48 AM
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19. All It Takes Is One Senator
To start talking about Sibel's secret testimony on the Senate floor.

Unfortunately, as we learned from Dick Durbin, the Senate is filled with cowards.

Maybe we should have Sibel run for Senate!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:02 AM
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21. at least she'd get rich that way n/t
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 08:19 AM
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74. Bernie Sanders might
be willing to take this on. Maybe if he gets requests from people, he'll do it. He's not afraid of any political power structure, as far as I can tell.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:17 AM
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13. K&R
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:28 AM
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14. Proud to give it the 5th rec. n/t
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:55 AM
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20. I'm still convinced that Cheney is so insistent on the Iraq
Edited on Wed May-09-07 09:23 AM by merh
nuclear powers existence because he was part of the black market sales of the nuclear arms to Saddam.

That is also why Plame was exposed, it was to stop the CIA operation into tracking black market sales, it wasn't just to hurt Wilson. That was lagniappe.

KTM trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Jn4vTGb_8

Is this available on DVD yet?



edited for spelling error
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:05 AM
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22. not on dvd yet
i'll try to get an update on the distribution plans.

i did see that some people put it online.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:20 AM
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27. if you find out anything about the DVD release
or a link to online (I searched with no success), will you please pmail me?

thanks in advance & a belated welcome to DU! :hi:

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:38 AM
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43. Luke, is that you on the clip? The dude w/ the accent?
:loveya:

Thanks for all your work on this. SOMEDAY I hope Sibel Edmonds gets her voice heard across the country. I hope that someday is VERY soon. And I hope everyone in America hears it and "gets it" about how criminal this administration is.

In fact, all of washington looks like a bunch of cockroaches today.

:kick: :kick: :kick: & R
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 05:42 PM
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58. nope
i'm not in the footage.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:13 AM
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23. K&R. I don't suppose..
other than someone sending me a PM, what the other site is that has some of the best interviews with Edmonds?

Sheesh! I get so tired of all the game playing.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:18 AM
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25. you can see them at my place
go here
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com /

and then on the right hand side, the first 3 under "External Sibel related links" - horton and deliso.

in fact horton has had a bunch of great interviews with sibel - i've only got one listed there for some reason.

i basically learnt everything i know from the interviews with those two.

ftr - if you want a good-ish overview of the case - see http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-heck-is-s...
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:34 AM
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29. Thank you very much..
I went to your site, earlier, but couldn't find it. Will check again. :)
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:35 AM
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42. i see now which you can't name....*sigh* n/t
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:33 AM
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28. I'm watching/listening to the videos at this site
http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com /

On February 3, Kill The Messenger, a documentary about FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds' case, was shown in DC - followed by a panel discussing "the current state of the U.S. Main media, unconstitutional government secrecy, and national security whistleblowers."

Panel members were James Bamford, Robert Parry, Mathieu Verboud, Ben Wizner (ACLU), Stephen Kohn, (Chairman, National Whistleblower Center), Kristina Borjesson (journalist). All bios available here.

I finally have video footage of the event - presented here in two clips. Firstly, a nine minute introduction by Sibel and the directors, and a 9 minute video of selected snips from the panel. I've included some of the quotes below in text form (all errors are mine)


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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:50 AM
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31. that's one of my sites
those vids are from the panel at the screening of the movie - not the movie itself (as you are no doubt aware!)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 10:03 AM
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33. thanks for the links & the sites
I'm now into the short version of KTM - thank you
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:18 AM
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24. K&R - great work, lukery!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:18 AM
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26. Luke, could Sibel's SCOTUS appeal be fuel for SCOTUS impeachments?
Edited on Wed May-09-07 09:19 AM by calipendence
If at some point the Democratic majority in congress feel the need to impeach some of those on the Supreme Court, because SCOTUS becomes a problem with rulings against their legislation or blocking impeachment hearings (if they ever get the courage to do so), might Sibel's case not being heard by the Supreme Court be shown later to be facilitating the coverup (if she is shown to have "the keys to the kingdom"), and that therefore SCOTUS's not hearing her case could be ruled as facilitating the coverup and therefore be grounds for impeachment of some justices?

Might be a different angle to try to talk some in congress to helping her get her story out, especially if they can get her testimony on record, which would provide a lot of hard evidence if they decided to pursue SCOTUS impeachments.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:40 AM
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30. good idea c/p
sometimes(!) i wish we could a ctrl-z on the whole damn bush administration.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:57 AM
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32. K & R
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 10:32 AM
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36. It's serious
Lukery - you've done an exceptional job here of tying together what can be a very complicated case - and in calling our attention to the seriousness of it. Hopefully Waxman and his staff are reading your posts and will respond favorably by granting Sibel's request for a hearing. As she says, let the facts speak - publicly.

"There are various ways of keeping truth out of sight." --Thomas Jefferson
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 10:53 AM
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38. we'll turn on the phone spigot again next week
Thanks, ajeffersonian.

Next week we'll man the phones again - hopefully we've built up a sufficient reservoir that we can burst the dams. (have i got my metaphors lined up straight?)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:28 AM
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39. Same MO as the USA cases. This is a RACKET.
Edited on Wed May-09-07 11:29 AM by Gregorian
They fired US attorneys to keep us from seeing what they were doing.

They outted Plame to keep Brewster Jennings from finding out what they were doing.

They won't let Sibel talk to keep us from finding out what they were doing.

They wouldn't allow a real 911 Commission to keep us from finding out what they were doing.

And the list just goes on and on.


Racket (crime), a systematised element of organized crime.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:33 AM
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41. Don't forget about the Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
Edited on Wed May-09-07 11:36 AM by seemslikeadream
:hi:

Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:40 AM
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44. Whistleblowers Week in DC
May 14-May17; conference, workshops, press... For more info. check out the flier here: www.nswbc.org
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:13 PM
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45. Excellent summary of the main points connecting dots...question
though. I've tried to keep up with your posts about Sibel but I must have missed the Brewster-Jennings connection. Do you have a snip about the BJ/ATC connection? I might have missed it in my read.

(as an aside, it's interesting here that Sibel is saying that the problem extends beyond the FBI, she is apparently saying that CI investigations by the CIA are buried in the same manner. We know that the CIA's cover company, Brewster Jennings, was also investigating the ATC.)


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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 05:50 PM
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59. plame & sibel
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:18 PM
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46. Watch those clips, everyone!! We WILL do a move on congress the likes of which
they've never seen. This has GOT to come out, and it's got to be on C-SPAN, and on to the news!

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:19 PM
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47. K&R until justice is served and those criminals are exposed.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:21 PM
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48. Up to us; the people
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 07:32 AM
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73. I agree history should prove to the people that only the people themselves
can ensure change.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:35 PM
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49. rec, kick, and THANKS! (nt)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:38 PM
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50. Time to kick again.
We need to come on strong next week.
:kick:
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:39 PM
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51. We are ready
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:59 PM
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52. K&R
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 03:13 PM
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53. well-deserved K & R
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 04:13 PM
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54. K & R!
:kick:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 04:22 PM
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55. Continued awesome work, lukery!!
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 04:49 PM
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56. Lukery. Question: certainly we have a lot of Sibel info...info she was gagged for
but that has come out through other means and other sources. Do you suspect there's much more we don't know yet? Is most of the info out there already and just being ignored by MSM and reps? Or is there more that those in power don't want to come out because it's so toxic and damning that not only would heads roll but the entire perception of power would change?

And if there's more out there, why haven't those brave 9/11 commissioners, including dems, worked to get this important info exposed despite threat of legal action?

Somethings not right....
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 05:03 PM
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57. It's a very intricate web of influence.
Memberships of Boards, corporations, trade groups and interest groups, the military industrial complex, and members of congress.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 06:04 PM
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60. good questions
"Do you suspect there's much more we don't know yet?"
not a whole lot more, i don't think. it's difficult to quantify - but i suspect we're 80% of the way there

"Or is there more that those in power don't want to come out because it's so toxic and damning that not only would heads roll but the entire perception of power would change?"
well - the stuff that's already 'out there' (altho not really) should have already changed the way most people think abuot power.


"And if there's more out there, why haven't those brave 9/11 commissioners, including dems, worked to get this important info exposed despite threat of legal action?"
that's kind of the wrong question - we didn't learn much of the case until 2005 yet the 'brave' folks didnt do a thing up till that point, and haven't done anything since.

"Somethings not right...."
correct.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:09 PM
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61. My point about the 9/11 commissioners is that
they heard all of Sibel's stuff in closed session. They have the information. If any ONE were half the patriot that Sibel is, they would be working to expose the criminals and abuse of power. They would appear with Sibel. They would be threatening the administration to come clean. They would demand accountability, either in the open or behind the scenes. They would themselves petition the supreme court. They may even spill the beans to a major outlet and dare the WH to come after them. A high profile commissioner could do this and the time is right.

They have knowledge and they are letting Sible go it alone. Makes me sick.

And another thing: Sibel can't possibly know all that's going on. She doesn't have investigatory power, subpoena power, a legion of agents, or a network of spies to help get information. What she knows is probably the tip of the iceberg...so these commissioners are not only squashing the information that Sibel has, they are in effect hiding the larger story that would develop over time. Sorry...commissioners are not on Sibel's side. I don't know who is aside from a few DUrs and Vanity Fair readers.

Yet another thing. Do we think the CIA doesn't know all about this stuff? They must. George Tenet must. And he knows how Plame and Sibel inter-connect. This is classic Rove...Tenet is admitting to some stuff and sitting on much bigger stuff. No other explanation.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:47 PM
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62. yes, yes & yes
but it's not just the 911Comm - it's the Senate Judiciary C'ttee, Senate Intelligence C'ttee, Waxman's office, the FBI etc.

They all said 'Yes - what Sibel says is true. we've seen the documents, the agents in charge of the cases have validated what she said' - and still nothing has happened!

911 is only a small part of Sibel's case, really - but she can prove that the COmmission report is a lie.

To read what sibel knows about 911 see http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/sibel-911.html

Sibel was ignored in the report. She also has a group of 25 other agents with relevant info who were also excluded.

Sibel's main question: why are they covering up the truth? What are they hiding?
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:58 PM
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63. wasn't it Frank Zappa that said
"They'll pull back the curtains and the blood on the wall will be visible for a short time, then the tables will be reset and no one will ever notice".

Someone had that as an avatar at one time here on DU, my interpretation is probably incorrect, but the feeling is there.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:56 PM
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67. Check out the connections these "brave" commissioners had
Edited on Wed May-09-07 08:59 PM by mmonk
under "Claims of bias within the commission" about conflicts of interest. Then check out the membership rolls of organizations such as the American Turkish Council. Some of the other conflicts of interest seem obvious as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Tur...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:09 PM
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64. OK, I'm naive and have to ask this question: "What would happen if Sibel did talk?"
Say, she appeared in the national media and told all. I know she's "gagged" but what would the consequences be? Could it be that what she has to say would be soooo damning to certain individuals and entities, soooo eye-opening that any consequence could be perceived as "payback" and not punishment? Couldn't the groundswell of public opinion be sufficient to protect her?

It seems to me exposing those people and groups involved in "drug-running, terrorism, public corruption, nuclear black market & illegal arms trafficking" would make her a national hero.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:44 PM
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65. she already has told all, virtually
and still the media won't cover it - she even has agents who will talk to the media too and verify what she is saying... the silence is deafening.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 08:47 PM
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66. Thanks...
I wondered about this. I kept hearing that she was "gagged" yet stories kept coming out... I kept thinking to myself "If she's 'gagged,' then why are we reading/hearing so much?" I wondered if there was one really huge bombshell she was prohibited to reveal, of if there was one piece of information that would tie all these stories together.

I'll go back over the excellent links provided here and elsewhere and learn more.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:03 PM
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68. an overview of sibel's case
here is my attempt at an overview
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-heck-is-s...

it's probably not a bad starting point.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 09:41 PM
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69.  University of California system retains mgmnt of top 2 weapons labs
despite years of mismanagement...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

snip

The Energy Department selected on Tuesday a team to manage California's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory that is largely the same group holding the management contract for New Mexico's Los Alamos National Laboratory, the nation's other major nuclear weapons lab.

The $279.5 million, seven-year contract ends the competitions prompted by congressional concerns over the security and safety violations that emerged while the labs were being run by the University of California. The university managed Los Alamos from its founding in the 1940s under the Manhattan Project, and Livermore since 1952.

'We don't need to conquer new territory to win back the majority,' says new NRCC Chairman Tom Cole. 'We need to reclaim lost territory, which is easier.' (Lucian Perkins -- The Washington Post)


The University of California remains a major player in the private companies contracted to run both labs, along with Bechtel Corp., BWX Technologies Inc. and the Washington Group International.


You can bet that this is pertinent to Sibel's case...
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 10:37 PM
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70. found this
www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd58.htm from 2004

snip

But, when the GW Bush administration assumed the White House, it resumed the sales of US nuclear technology to Pakistan. Last month VP Cheney went to China to resume US nuclear reactor technology sales to Communist China. Yet Communist China remains the largest backer of terrorists groups and terrorist nations like AlQaeda Iran and North Korea without being embargoed or publicly singled out by the GW Bush administration.


snip

The sales of classified US nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan and China by the HW Bush and GW Bush was illegal because the sales were used to facilitate arms transfers to the Contras in violation of the conditions of the Boland Amendment passed and signed into law in 1982. But more importantly is also a violation of the 1946 McMahon Act, the Atomic Energy Act .

Pakistans President General Musharraf pardoned his nuclear weapons chief Dr. Abdul Khan for illegally selling the US technology to North Korea, Libya , Indonesia and Iran. US weapons inspector David Kay has said that Musharraf and Khan together had set up a Malaysian manufacturing company to produce krypton switches necessary to detonate nuclear bombs and used in binary biological and chemical bombs and artillery shells.

This Malaysian company was in business together with BoeingBell and United Defense, once part of the Carlyle Group. This same Malaysian company set up a contract to the consulting firm of Neil Bush and the son of Chinas President, Jiang ZI Min. GW Bush had been involved with Neil Bush in another consulting group that profited from illegal sales of missile components and systems for Pakistan.

US nuclear technology and components illegally provided to China, and Pakistan by HW Bush, GW Bush and Neil Bush have also been provided by China and Pakistan not only to North Korea, China, Iran, and Indonesia but also to AlQaeda. Bush and his family have illegally given the Islamic terrorist nation Pakistan, and China the nuclear weapons that they can give to AlQaeda, Hezbollah or Hamas to attack and terrorize and blackmail the US into giving up freedoms under the Patriot Act and domestic spying by the CIA and Pentagon on US citizens. Pakistan, Russia, China and North Korea are high potential sources of nukes to Bin Laden, and terrorist groups like AlQaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and even Iraqi agents still in the US

an article by Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough written in the Washington Times, dated July 23, 2004 mentioned in the above article states that...

snip

"The White House and Energy Department apparently do not want the public to know that China was the source of nuclear warhead design information supplied to Libya and possibly other rogue states by the covert nuclear supplier group led by Pakistani Abdul Qadeer Khan.

"Asked recently about Chinese-language warhead design documents found in Libya, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said he could not speak to the "chain" of how design information reached Libya from the Khan network. Mr. Abraham referred the Chinese document question to the White House National Security Council, which also ducked.

"The NSC told us that President Bush said in February that Mr. Khan had sold a blueprint for 'a nuclear design stolen from the Pakistani government.' But the NSC statement noted: "We cannot offer any further details about Dr. Khan's transactions but continue to support Pakistan's efforts to investigate and prosecute those associated with Khan's network. Other officials said the Energy Department and NSC are trying to avoid linking the warhead documents to China to keep from upsetting Beijing.

"China's government initially said it was investigating reports of the Chinese warhead documents found in Libya, but has not revealed what its investigation found. U.S. security officials said China provided the warhead documents to Pakistan. Depending on when they were transferred, the discovery could prove to be a violation of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which China signed in 1992."

Of course, as it is the Washington Times, a rag very friendly to *co., this is lmore than likely propaganda in order to misdirect..


Arms makes the world go round for the Washington elites..
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:36 PM
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71. great, thnx, n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-10-07 11:25 AM
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75. new thread!
"Why did everyone cover up Sibel Edmonds' 911 warnings?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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