Mouth-shaped urinals removed from eatery - GOOD!

[Liberal_in_LA]

Mouth-shaped urinals removed from eatery

June 01, 2010 • 10:45 am

By Diana FasanellaA coalition of 24 organizations has won a year-long battle with a Canadian eatery to have the urinals shaped like a woman’s open mouth removed from its men’s bathroom.

Women's group: No more lip
The glossy, red lipped urinals at The Honest Lawyer restaurant in Hamilton, Ontario, sparked public outcry and a letter-writing campaign that eventually forced owners to remove the offensive toilets, the CNews reports.

Manufactured by Bathroom Mania! in the Netherlands, the “Kisses” urinal has been the subject of controversy for years and thought by some to be art or just a joke.

On its Web site, the manufacturer says, “This is one target men will never miss.”

The Woman Abuse Working Group led the efforts to oust the offensive toilet. The group was concerned about women’s safety and the message it sent to men in the bar.

Lenore Lukasik-Foss, chairwoman of the group, said, “It’s not a joke to pee into a woman’s mouth.”

‘Nuff said.

http://blogs.app.com/saywhat/2010/06/01/mouth-shaped-urinals-removed-from-eatery/

[Radical Activist]

1. If the group doesn't like the urinals then don't use them.

Pretty simple.

[Scout]

2. if black people don't want to eat at segregated lunch counters then don't use them

pretty simple

[JackDragna]

8. So you're comparing an offensive urinal to a civil right's struggle?

eom

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. maybe he/she's upset that women don't use urinals.

unisex bathrooms for all.

[Darth_Kitten]

42. There is something called "women's rights".....

You know, women kinda matter? :sarcasm:

[Chulanowa]

54. Okay. What rights are being violated?

[JackDragna]

95. This doesn't violate women's rights.

It's crass and dumb, without question. But what rights, exactly, are women losing by having these urinals exist?

[Radical Activist]

17. Allowing artistic freedom of speech

has no relevance to segregation. Seriously lame comparison.

[Scout]

72. seriously lame to call mouth-shaped urinals "artistic freedom of speech"

:rofl:

[Radical Activist]

78. That's not for you to judge.

The first amendment is there to protect offensive forms of speech from people who would censor anything they dislike. People like you are why we need strong protections of free speech rights.

Why don't you defend your statement and explain how it relates to segregation?

[Scout]

79. blah blah blah people like me are why we need the first amendment...

yeah right, the "artist" who made mouth shaped urinals is so creative! he needs all our support ...

no one said anything about banning anything, you knee-jerked right to that one. so no points for that post bub.

oooh, you're such a radical :rofl:


ETA: missing word

[Radical Activist]

81. So you agree with me that they shouldn't be censored.

Good. I think they're tasteless but so what? What was the point of your offensive comparison to segregation? It looks a lot like you don't have a reasoned argument, you're feeling a little embarrassed about looking bad, and so you're making childish comments to insult me. There's really nothing wrong with admitting that you don't have a point and walking away.

[seabeyond]

83. from how i read it, the business had the right to put in, and customers had right to reject

they got pulled thru pressure, as is the right of the customers and potential customers (public) of the restaurant.

he didn't have to pull, but thru public action, he decided it behooved him as a businessman to pull it.

isn't that how it is suppose to work?

[Radical Activist]

102. You mean, like what happened to the Dixie Chicks or the Hollywood blacklist?

All of that involved public pressure and private businesses. No, I don't agree with that.

[seabeyond]

103. ah. so freedom of rights good when it works for you. not so good when it doesnt.

doesnt work that way.

but

it does mean that you can oppose that the dixie chicks were banned and do your own counter demonstration.

[Radical Activist]

105. So freedom of expression is good for you when you like it but not when you're offended?

The group that "forced" (the article's word) the business to remove the urinals had the freedom to not patronize the business, as I wrote. They went well beyond that to censor others. The most serious threats to free expression often come from outside the government, and no, I don't agree with coordinated attempts at censorship through harassment.

[seabeyond]

106. then i guess it is a huge ass "oh well" for you. lol. nt

[AsahinaKimi]

94. Are you talking about the Canadian first Amendment?

This is a Canadian eatery, from what the story says.

[bobbolink]

87. For some, a noose is artistic freedom of speech.

Pretty simple.

[Radical Activist]

104. If a noose is used as a threat or to harass someone

then no, it isn't artistic expression and that can be banned. Cross burning is a crime because it's a threat to harm someone. If a noose is used as part of a historical or artistic exhibit about the horrors of lynching, then yes it is protected as freedom of speech.

I don't believe any reasonable person can interpret the urinals in this case as a threat. It's just offensive. That isn't a crime.

[bobbolink]

116. If you come back as a woman in your next life, then you will get quite an education.

Of course, you could get the same education by listening to women, but I can see that ain't likely to happen.

Not in this lifetime.

[Stargazer99]

22. It is difficult for me not to see males as the source of

a hellva source of the world's problems.

[Chulanowa]

29. Yeah, we keep helping you gals make more people

And people are assholes, studies have proven.

Sorry. We'll stop.

[Arkansas Granny]

3. Those really are gross. If they are looking for something unique, maybe they should try these.

[Lance_Boyle]

7. Georgia O'Keefe would not approve. n/t

[Chulanowa]

11. So long as you're the one mopping

Those aren't the kind of things you want a bunch of drunk bastards aiming their piss at, you know. The design isn't conducive to the intent, as they say.

[Arkansas Granny]

23. Since I don't possess the "plumbing" necessary to use those things,

I'm probably not a very good judge as to the utility of their design.

[Chulanowa]

25. You're just not trying hard enough

...Maybe I hang out with an odd crowd, though.

[Arkansas Granny]

38. Maybe they're odd, but they certainly sound interesting.

[Radical Activist]

18. Nice!

But I have to agree with the other poster that they don't look very functional.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. "it's not a joke to pee into a woman's mouth."

These people, I assume, haven't got internet access?

[Radical Activist]

19. I'm amazed at the level of sexism it takes to believe

that men are such idiotic sheep that these urinals will lead to a sudden increase of urinating in womens mouths. Unbelievable.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Then there's the whole subject of water sports.

[Radical Activist]

35. Right. If someone is turned on

by the idea of peeing into one of those urinals then I suspect he had a predisposition which had nothing to do with the urinal.

[Stargazer99]

24. It's the symbology you who has never been on the other side

[NoNothing]

33. Sometimes a urinal is just a urinal

Apologies to Groucho Marx.

[Soylent Brice]

34. symbology? i believe the word you're looking for is symbolism...

Detective Dolly: So what's the symbology there?
Paul Smecker: Symbology? Now that Duffy has relinquished his "King Bonehead" crown, I see we have an heir to the throne! I'm sure the word you were looking for was "symbolism." What is the ssss-himbolism there?

[Chulanowa]

50. Glad I'm not the only one who had that scene pop into their head

Of course, quoting what several of my friends refer to as "That guy movie" might not win Stargazer over. it's a heavily-armed sausagefest in that DVD case, after all.

[Soylent Brice]

63. true, it is. and liking a particular movie does not necessarily mean that the viewer

agrees with the viewpoints by default.

it would be the same as someone saying if you like American History X that you're a racist.

besides, i try to make the positive assumption that most DUers have the critical thinking skills necessary to determine whether or not someone is being racist, mysoginist, or anything else for that matter. skills which i'm sure Stargazer possesses.

either way, it was an opportunity to quote Smecker, which is one that does not pop up nearly often enough.

;)

[JNelson6563]

65. Yeah, me too!

Tho' I'm not a guy, enjoyed the movie anyway. My brother and I quote it to each other from time to time. :-)

:toast:

[Hawkeye-X]

66. What movie is that? Looks like a Bale movie to me.

[Ignis]

68. The Boondock Saints

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144117/

[msanthrope]

97. Oh, you must see the Boondock Saints....n/t

[Ignis]

67. Smecker, you're my hero!

[Radical Activist]

37. That's a big assumption.

You really think men don't experience sexism or derogatory imagery? After reading your comment #22 I'd suggest you have your own issues with sexism to work out.

[Cleita]

5. I have no words. n/t

[Chulanowa]

6. That's what a woman's open mouth looks like?

The women in Canada must be fucking terrifying to behold.

Frankly those things are so disturbing, that I doubt i could get my bladder to relax enough to use them. Good riddance. Goofy excuse, but good riddance.

[Ian David]

9. “It’s not a joke to pee into a woman’s mouth.”

Someone's never been to summer camp.

[JBoy]

10. Women shouldn't shit on men's laps, either.

[drm604]

13. While I don't see how this could be a physical danger to women as this group seems to think,

I (as a man) do find them very offensive and would not appreciate having to use them and am glad to see them go.

[Stargazer99]

26. there are men and plenty of them whose egos forbid the

thought of treating women as well as they want to be treated.

[drm604]

41. No argument. n/t

[NoNothing]

14. I'm sure there must be lots of peer reviewed studies

Proving that peeing in a mouth-shaped urinal causes men to go home and beat their wives.

Rutting prudes.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. lol

[Greyhound]

16. How do you assign sex to a mouth? n/t

[MilesColtrane]

20. Precisely.

If anything, the Rolling Stones should be offended.

[Chulanowa]

27. Ask your parents, kid

[awoke_in_2003]

70. you have heard of oral sex, havent you?

or did you mean "how do assign a person sex to a mouth?

[Greyhound]

96. Nevermind, this is stupid.

:kick: & U

[backscatter712]

28. Replace 'em with these...

[FedUpWithIt All]

82. Hehe.

I do wonder sometimes, during these types of debates, that everyone needs a good dose of the perspective of the other.

Rarely happens though. Unfortunately, because too many people cannot "use their imaginations" to understand the other person's point of view and must have a concrete counter experience to see the "other side", we have people who only see things from their own colored glasses, so to speak.

Setting up a concrete counter experience, for the narrow minded to learn empathy for those who feel degraded, rarely happens. And even when it does, the message often gets lost in the feelings of the new offended party.

[yawnmaster]

30. Whats next? Are we going to ban the penis shaped shower heads??

If there are any.
And I bet there are.

[Darth_Kitten]

43. honestly.....

:eyes:

[Chulanowa]

51. Leave it to me to google

...My eyes! The goggles to nothing!

Let's just say that penis-shaped shower heads are the frenum of the phallus, uh, tip of the iceberg.

[Lance_Boyle]

31. There goes the entire market for my special uvula-shaped urinal cakes.

Dammit.

[KamaAina]

32. I would have been tempted to place fake mustaches above them.

:evilgrin:

[Radical Activist]

39. LOL

Add a cold sore too.

[Gormy Cuss]

109. Yeah, that would have been a good experiment.

I'd bet that some straight guys would have had trouble using them.


B-)

[Ter]

36. Unrec, the restaurant is private and has the right to use them

Not to mention I would laugh my ass of if I ever used one in person. It's funny, not offensive.

[Rebubula]

40. Woman's Mouth????

LOL....My first thought was 'Gosh...Mick Jagger has some strange artwork' or some other Rolling Stones related thought.

I guess there is someone, somewhere who is outraged by something.


Lighten Up, Francis.

[Darth_Kitten]

44. Yeah, it really doesn't matter that women could find this offensive....

or men who actually respect women, huh? Get serious, hon.

[Radical Activist]

48. No, not really.

Freedom of speech exists to protect offensive forms of speech that some people will try to censor. Defending and exercising freedom of speech means you have to tolerate forms of speech that you don't like. I believe in the first amendment. You apparently, don't. I thought there were similar protections in Canada.

[Chulanowa]

52. Well, regarding the Stones, he has a point

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. What about women who don't find this offensive?

I respect those women more.

[Control-Z]

99. Shock!! -eom

[Bluebear]

46. 'I guess there is someone, somewhere who is outraged by something.' - very rightwing sounding meme.

As is "lighten up!"

[ProgressiveProfessor]

85. I almost wondered if they were licensed by the Stones myself

Was way too stylized to be sexual, at least for me

[marions ghost]

45. I dunno,

they look like they might bite...

High grotesque kitsch? They might complement McDonald's decor (look like Ronnie McD's lips) ...glad it didn't catch on tho. I say, offensive to EVRYBODY. (So, thanks, women).

You wouldn't want to hit these while intoxicated.... :shrug:
...they had their 15 minutes of fame.

[seabeyond]

47. "I say, offensive to EVRYBODY." my first thought was for the men having to use it

i could see more than a few men taking a step back, once being confronted with that.

i agree with you

[marions ghost]

59. rude, crude AND fugly

but...well, we haven't had a men vs women thread in awhile ;-)

[seabeyond]

61. lol. nt

[Control-Z]

100. ...

[marions ghost]

115. yeah

that's what I had in mind....! :rofl:

[mitchum]

49. Well, they've just lost Chuck Berry's business. That's right...Chuck Berry, Motherfucker!

[Quantess]

92. !

:rofl:

[ismnotwasm]

53. Stupid looking things.

I was thinking what would happen if the same company provided toilets for the women's bathrooms shaped like a man's mouth. Since women don't usually stand to pee, but both urinate AND defecate, not to mention, on occasion bleed, the reaction to such a toilet would be psychologically interesting. I wonder if women would find it amusing, as certain men apparently did, or just get creeped out?

[derby378]

55. Honestly, when I first saw that picture...

...I thought of the Rolling Stones logo before reading the text.

Still, I'm glad the urinals are gone. Sheesh.

[jp11]

56. I guess a plus side of this is another company probably got paid or maybe the same one

to sell/install new urinals.

[FLPanhandle]

57. I guess this wall is gone next.

[Chulanowa]

58. That would be good riddance, too

That woman on the far right is terrifying. Like a seven-foot zombie. "Rarrrrgh... brains.... rarrrrrgh"

[L0oniX]

62. LOL

[lutefisk]

64. At least they aren't "Bush-shaped urinals"

[awoke_in_2003]

71. I wouldn't use that at all...

my buddy has a term he likes to use "I wouldn't piss in his mouth if his guts were on fire". Hmmm, W's guts on fire- what a pleasant thought.

[nomorenomore08]

75. Dubya's guts on fire? You mean like every morning?

[awoke_in_2003]

76. That's good fire...

I mean steel melting fire :evilgrin:

[Sheepshank]

69. So was this a bar

or a family restaurant? My 8yo nephew may have issues with using these urinals as would his mother.

OTOH, what a lovely trade off it would have been to have open mouthed males for toilets (as previously suggested). Gives the statement "he's so full of shit" a grand new meaning especially after saying something perfectly stupid as some men are wont to do.

[Quantess]

73. I'm going to be unpopular among women here by saying "it's art".

Of course it is offensive, but so is Marquis De Sade's writing.

[angstlessk]

74. Maybe in the women's bathroom they need a "Lorena Bobbit Flush Toilet"

Every time you flush the toilet a penis is flushed down with everything else?

[madinmaryland]

77. Peeing into Mick Jaggers mouth? Is that what this is about?

[JVS]

101. If I'd known it was supposed to be his mouth, I'd have taken a crap

[flvegan]

80. I just KNEW this thread wouldn't disappoint.

[-..__...]

84. I wonder if they're up for sale?

Not that I would want to buy a used urinal, but I figure if worse comes to worse, I could have the wife give it a good scrubbing and cleaning.

:evilgrin:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

86. Somebody had to have made them, so there may even be new ones available

Cost of the molds etc would be hard to justify otherwise

[Arkana]

88. That's kinda creepy...

[AnnieBW]

89. Ewww..

Just... eww...

[Initech]

90. I would not use one of those out of sheer terror.

:scared:

[seabeyond]

91. it's the teeth, isnt it? nt

[underseasurveyor]

93. That is just plain ass disgusting

nuff said

[pipi_k]

112. Well, I can see why it would be to some people...but what I find REALLY disgusting

is bathroom air freshener spray that smells like food.


There is no way that it should be right for "Cinnamon Apple Pie" or "Orange Tangerine Delight" to smell like shit.


:puke:

[Seneca]

98. I now have Rolling Stones songs in my head

[TransitJohn]

107. Would it be okay if there were mustaches on them?

What exactly makes it a woman's mouth in particular? And who cares of consentual adults are in to that sort of thing?

[Lance_Boyle]

108. What was this 'concerned women's group' doing in the men's room in the first place?

Why should they be so concerned about the men's restroom?

[pipi_k]

110. The target that men will never miss....

according to the manufacturer.

Well shit...

I'd gladly install a couple in MY home if it meant not having to clean man-pee up all the time

[seabeyond]

111. lol. ah ha. i think all my guys would be looking over shoulder at me

bah hahahah, and all the pee would hit the wall.

[pipi_k]

113. yeah, what is it with guys and pee, anyway?

Judging by where it ends up, one would think they're fighting with high-pressure fire hoses or something...


:scared:

[seabeyond]

114. lol.... i say with a sneer.... probably all about evolution you know.... marking

the territory.

btw... to be clear, my oldest son would be very offended by this post. he works hard to get in toilet. youngest son.... not so much. an ongoing issue in this house.