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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 02:54 AM
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Knowing the enemy, one avatar at a time
As military crafts virtual Afghan villages, some scientists raise ethical concerns

WASHINGTON Its a familiar scene in Afghanistan: Donkey carts and hawkers fill the market square. Bearded men in traditional garb drink tea and search for work. A US visitor scans their faces, trying to distinguish friend from foe.

But this village is virtual. The villagers are bits of software code, and the Americans who visit are players in a videogame-like program designed not only for training purposes but for intelligence analysis.
The concerns were so great that the US Department of Energy, which controls the national laboratories that own some of the most sophisticated computers in the country, has pushed back against recent efforts to enlist its scientists in the work.

Citing uncertainty about how the military will use this research, Energy Secretary Steven Chu issued a memo late last year barring employees from working with data about individuals, citing fears that it could violate a federal law mandating that human research subjects never be harmed.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 03:11 AM
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1. Ahhh, the multiple choice script interface...
Exactly like reality.
There're people that offer tea, people who offer tea, and people that offer tea.

Obviously, the those who display characteristic C should be shot out of hand, in order to secure Democracy.

The stupidity is staggering...
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 03:18 AM
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2. What was the purpose of the italics?
And people should not be treated badly.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 03:36 AM
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3. Some people think that is what our reality is.
Edited on Sun May-30-10 03:47 AM by RandomThoughts
That is the false doctrine R&D mentioned in a couple posts.

I am pretty sure that is not reality, because it was used as an explanation to try and get me to leave the concepts of what I consider better thoughts. And why would it do that by showing that possibility.

In other words, there were events that occurred that tried to get me think that is what reality is. And why would that occur? For R&D purposes there could be some data gathered on how someone would react to that, but for the most part, such a thing would not have a purpose within a simulation.

However within my view, and some other views of existence, that false doctrine does have a purpose, that purpose would be to create despair. So that side would be the bad side, and it shows it is not true by that intent, since if it was true, that intent would be easy to create without showing that false doctrine.

There are many different versions of doctrines that think in terms of the world as a computer, and most can be knocked down easily.

The easiest way, is if you think we are in a computer simulation, and users are controlling people, then you have to ask what created them. And if we were simulation, because we were allowed to be created, then we would have value in what I think of the one true God above those users.

In other words, call down some metaphoric heavy thoughts and feelings of love and kindness on the metaphoric false users that treat creations that have equal value in the eyes of God, in my view, by maintaining high ground, and living in many ways of heart and thought from the heart and mind given to people.

I think the computer metaphor is one that can help look at layered existence, however the outside does not match most of the doctrines associated with that concept.

But as a metaphor with some flaws in the metaphor, it is possible to think of it this way for me.

A simulated existence is created with very accurate representations of existence. That existence actually acts better then the users, and in that is given protection by the source of goodness and love above the users, and the users are told that they should serve that creation. Some do not, and they are the bad ones, but some do and they are the good ones. And if you think a person is a simulation, then you can call for help from the source of goodness and love above the users in that metaphor, and with kindness and love, help what in metaphor would be the simulated existence. Although the metaphor is a flawed concept in ideas of what is capable of creation, and in actions, limitations and effects. But all metaphors are representation with some parts helping to see more complex things easier, but because of that missing some points.

So the idea that the world is a simulations fails as doctrine first because it creates despair for people to know, and they would not have to know, so that would have to be the intent, and that intent does not fit with other elements of existence within that doctrine. It also fails as a doctrine of existence because how people think of that doctrine does not fit, because it forgets about the creator above all.

So being in a simulation is not a relevant doctrine, and in my view a false doctrine, but can be used for many metaphors to try and understand concepts beyond the minds ability to perceive.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 05:24 AM
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