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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:58 AM Original message |
BFEE Overthrew Iranian Democracy for BP |
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Oceansaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. ! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. A Clash of Civilizations? Christian in Name Only |
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Florida Blue (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. We were never meant to be a "Christian Nation". The fathers did not want that. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
62. The author's statements, IMO, are meant to be ironic, given how many DO make this assertion. |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Your screen name has a very... |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. put them out of business! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Agree Totally. Guess who runs Prudhoe Bay? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. BP is going down |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. i don't know, |
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unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. Hey! That happened over 50 years ago. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Gosh. Worse yet. I'm old enough to remember 50 years ago. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
63. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R) |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Eyes Wide Open. |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
7. Corporate Power, Government by Private Groups, and the Law. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Secret Government used to be un-American. Now it's SOP. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
65. And yet there remain those who ridicule as "tinfoil-hattery" the claims of small-group control at |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. And yet, the corporate owned MSM |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. I read the first article....fascinating read |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. America Held Hostage |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Think of any bad thing that's happened in the last 60 years in or to the US |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Sen. Prescott Bush wrote an interesting article for Reader's Digest on war for Iraq's oil in 1959... |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
12. Yep.. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. ''Oil of Russia'' is a great read: ''FATHOMING THE SECRETS OF ENERGY DIPLOMACY'' |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
13. America: one nation under oil |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Offshore Drilling Disaster Tied to Weak Oversight, Strong Lobbying |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
14. Deleted message |
Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Venezuela oil 'may double Saudi Arabia' |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Isn't if funny, the minute Chavez gave the middle finger to the US he became a "tyrant" |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #51 |
66. That was true of VietNam, as well. Anyway, we're there to SAVE THEM, right?! |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Regarding Chavez. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
17. Great post n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Report details CIA role in overthrow of Iranian government in 1953 |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
18. K/R |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. MOSSADEQ AND OIL NATIONALIZATION |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
20. BP was kicked out of Iraq, and just recently signed a $500 million oil deal in |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. There's no business like oil business. Poppy mixed business with ''service.'' |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Is there such a thing as a successful and honest man? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
23. BFEE? |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Bush Family Evil Empire n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Bush Family Evil Empire |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Very familiar with the subject matter |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. DU's boogeyman. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. BFEE's shorthand for the monied class that is the source for most all the world's problems. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Oh, I wasn't aware of that. I suggest changing the term then. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I've come to think that BFEE isnt just limited to the Bushes. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Eh - unless you define "friends" to mean "ruling elites", I don't see how that helps. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. If you put it that way I think all the "ruling elites" are connected somehow. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Tried to call it the 'War Party'.... |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. The elites may overuse the term to cover their collected asses but that doesn't mean that |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
26. Dear Octafish,, |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. +1 nt |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. +1. We would have to retire your jersey number. |
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catzies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. A hearty and sincere "Seconded!" Octafish is a treasure and I have learned a lot |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Exactly...the books need to be opened over 5 decades so Americans can finally UNDERSTAND what |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #47 |
68. Wait until the history books from Texas get into schools. Oil spills/leaks/eruptions? Nobody here |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
61. I also promise to stay, if you do, too, my aquatic friend. You three, SB! ;-) |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #61 |
73. WOOT! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
75. What Sil said... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Aren't we legally married by now? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Baby, with us, there has been and there never will be a seven-year itch. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. Excellent, as usual. nt |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. Ted Rall -- Nationalize BP and Other Criminal Corporations |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
34. knr |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. Making it safe for the King of Kings |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. thanks for posting this! |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
37. BP has Iraq contracts ALSO. NT |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
76. BP: All Star Iraq War Profiteer |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. Well shit kabobs if it isn't one thing it's another. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
77. The Dulles Brothers: How to Wreak Havoc in Guatemala and Iran |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
41. Another informative history lesson about our bloody history of spreading "democracy". REC. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. 'If I sit silently, I have sinned.' -- Mohammed Mossadegh |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. And courageous. He knew the intrigues that the British and Americans had used over the |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
43. Thanks for posting it. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
81. Truman invited Mossadegh to Washington in '51. Here he visits the Liberty Bell... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh of Iran addressing the United Nations Security Council. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Thanks for the heads-up. Mossadegh made a case at the UN for nationalizing Iran's oil. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
44. Yep... A Golden Oldie That Keeps Kicking Us In The Ass... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
84. If USA'd followed Truman's policies, there'd be no Blowback. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
45. This is so disgusting, I figured some oil company HAD to be involved. There was oil and Iran had it |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
91. BP and Big Oil Cover the Earth |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. "All the Shah’s Men" by Stephen Kinzer is one blistering book. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
92. Amy Goodman spoke to him on Democracy Now... |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R ! //nt |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
96. BP's Oil Spill is Latest Crime in a History of Plunder |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. So the question is: what do the Bushes have in plan for us for this century? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
97. Judging by their lack of action in light of the coming ecological collapse of planet Earth... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
53. knr nt |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
55. That was some nasty bed they made for us all to lay down in.. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
56. Long evil history with BP |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
57. Yes, they did. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. Kind of like Enron and Afghanistan. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
59. Let's rewind the Wayback Machine to 1912. Lord Churchill switched Royal Navy to oil - Persian oil |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
60. k&r |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Swamp Rat's here. too! |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. A couple of days ago |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. You're not the only one. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. And not even a whimper of a push-back in the air, jut rotten dead smell and oil. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
85. Leave No Oil Giant Behind |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
83. K |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
87. Iranians were not known as religious fanatics back then either |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
89. kick |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
90. What a great thread! |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
103. K&R |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
105. Yep. Kick. |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. The Iran Documentation Project (The National Security Archive) |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
107. bttt |
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