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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:57 AM
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University of Chicago Law School
Some years back, I was chatting with a friend (now a federal judge, thanks to W). He told me he was going to a legal judicial conference (he was a state court judge then). Knowing he was an ultra-right fellow, I smiled, and asked "Is it at the University of Chicago?" He chuckled and answered "No, but the whole faculty is from there."

Anyone who follows legal history knows the the UofC Law School, and in other disciplines as well (e.g. economics) are stains on the soul of humanity. The law school is the source of almost all that is bad about legal "scholarship" in the United States, if by scholarship one means "the ravings of lunatic lawyers in thrall to the right wing and corporations."

See, for example:

"My Alma Mater is a Moral Cesspool" Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies and the University of Chicago

"Chicago routinely trained me and numerous other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. The University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967. Many of his "lawyers" at the Department of Injustice are members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, and totalitarian Federalist Society (aka "Feddies"), which originated in part at the University of Chicago."

http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle08022003.html

Con Law - What the University of Chicago right thinks of Obama.
"In the spring of 2000, not long after Barack Obama was trounced in the Democratic primary for a South Side Chicago congressional seat, Daniel Fischel staged an intervention. Meeting with Obama in the main lounge at the University of Chicago Law School, where Fischel was then dean and Obama was a part-time senior lecturer, Fischel offered Obama some unsolicited advice. "I told him that it was obvious his political career was going nowhere," Fischel recalls, "and that he really ought to think about doing something else."

The particular "something else" Fischel had in mind was a full-time tenured professorship; to sweeten the offer, Fischel said the law school would even hire Obama's wife, Michelle, to run its legal clinic. Although the move would require Obama to give up his state Senate seat, Fischel tried to convince his junior colleague that Chicago professor might be a more natural role than Chicago politician for a cerebral guy like him. "I mentioned people who'd been faculty members like Scalia and Posner and Easterbrook and many others who had gone on to very distinguished careers outside of academia or in combination with academia," Fischel says. "I told him he could be a faculty member as well as a public intellectual."
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The University of Chicago Law School, after all, is a famously conservative institution--the birthplace of the law-and-economics movement and the incubator of numerous conservative intellectuals; Fischel himself literally wrote (with Easterbrook) one of the fundamental books on law and economics, in addition to another book arguing that the government's prosecution of Michael Milken was unjust. Yet, eight years ago, there was something about Obama that made Fischel and other Chicago conservative legal scholars want Obama to be their colleague--and today, at least for some of them, maybe even their president."

http://www.tnr.com/article/con-law

some alumni - people who came from the same environment as Professor Obama, and now his nominee, Ms Kagan:


-John Ashcroft: Former U.S. Senator, Governor of Missouri, and Attorney General of the United States
-Robert Bork: Former Solicitor General of the United States, acting Attorney General of the United States, and Judge on the United States Circuit Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit; unsuccessfully nominated to the Supreme Court
-Elizabeth Cheney: head of the Iran Syria Policy and Operations Group (ISOG) and daughter of former U.S. Vice President Richard Cheney
-Douglas H. Ginsburg: Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit; unsuccessfully nominated to the Supreme Court
-Rex E. Lee: Former Solicitor General of the United States and President of Brigham Young University
-Michael W. McConnell: Judge on the United States Circuit Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
Jim Talent: Former U.S. Congressman and U.S. Senator from Missouri


I suggest we be very wary of folks who have been influenced by this University. I feel that many of Obama's policies, with which I disagree, were born when he was in this environment.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 08:58 AM
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1. Ridiculous.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:01 AM
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2. thanks for the brilliant analysis
do you disagree, and why?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:12 AM
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4. U of C law school is one of the most respected law schools in the USA.
It produces a huge number of graduates.

The University of Texas law school produced Lloyd Doggett, current congressman, Ron Kirk (former Dallas mayor, former state office nominee, and current Obama official) and Bill White (former Houston mayor, current state office candidate). That doesn't mean UT is a factory for good Democratic politicians.

You're connecting dots and seeing something that isn't there.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:11 AM
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3. Didn't the Ayn Rand worshiping economist also come from
the Chicago school of economics?
So no surprise to me that they should also have their own law teachers.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:52 AM
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9. YES!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:16 AM
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5. Having lived in the greater Chicago environs for 45 years,
I couldn't agree more. It would be a mistake not to keep the U. of Chicago Law School in mind when policies are being developed. It is a bastion of the worse kind of conservative....an incubator. imho
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:27 AM
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6. "Chicago School" lawyers & economists caused much damage to U.S. & Chile
and I would take a second look at anyone with Univ. of Chicago Law School on resume, just as I would the Federalist Society or a job at a think tank like the Cato Institute or the Heritage Foundation. Ask some probing questions to find if they really think markets are self-correcting.

University of Chicago was founded with Rockefeller oil money.

That said, the University of Chicago tradition in other fields has much to recommend it,including an emphasis on analysis of the Great Books.



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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:48 AM
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7. Once a cow kicked over a lantern and burnt the town down too,
But it came back, bigger and better than ever. I love Chicago!
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:30 AM
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13. I love Chicago too. I even love Hyde Park, where UChicago is. But...
it's still a place where folks developed a toxic ideology to serve corporate interests.

Another UChicago mixed blessing is great writer Saul Bellow, who wrote a novel about NeoCon founder Allan Bloom.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:50 AM
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8. U of C Law School is the intellectual epicenter of rightwing economics in the US.
See, e.g., the laughable ideology known as "Law and Economics" that sprung like a weed from a crack in some U of C alley... It's Randian analysis--done in legal latin! :eyes:
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:54 AM
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10. U of C Law alumns Ramsey Clark, Carol Mosley Braun, Amy Kobluchar, Abner Mikva, Studs Terkel ...
probably disagree with this assessment, as would former faculty members Lawrence Lessig, Catherine MacKinnon, Diane Wood, and others.

Sure there have been famous conservative faculty and alums, but also liberals. This post is stupid

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:59 AM
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11. Studs Terkel went to the University of Chicago Law School
As well as Carol Mosely Braun, Harold Ickes, and other democratic figures. Yes, the U of Chicago is a center for conservative thinking, but that doesn't mean that anyone who has been associated with it is tainted.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 10:18 AM
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12. Leo Strauss carefully gleaned/recruited disciples from many disciplines
His protégés continue to poison the well.
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