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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:01 PM
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Woman Found Dead Surrounded By Burning Bills
Source: KETV (Council Bluffs, Iowa)

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa --

KETV
A woman found dead inside her burning mobile home Monday morning was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, according to autopsy results released Wednesday.

The preliminary results conducted on Connie Ayers showed that Ayers shot herself in the right temple, said Council Bluffs police Sgt. Chad Meyers.

Investigators said Ayers likely started the fire that they initially thought was arson. She was found dead at the end of a trail of financial bills leading from a storage room to her bedroom.

Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/23465613/detail.html



Very sad. Sign of the times.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:10 PM
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1. You mean she wasn't taxed to death???
:sarcasm:
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:08 PM
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17. +1 NT
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:49 AM
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25. NO! Conservatives believe corporation bills are holy, taxes are evil...
Right wingers love corporations. They must fantasize about them in their dreams. They believe corporate intrusions and corporate abuses are wonderful, but if the government asks you ten questions on a census it's evil...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:14 PM
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2. If she had friends in Congress, she would have been bailed
out.

Very sad story, and she's not the first to die in this great country because she didn't have money to live.
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dencol Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:23 PM
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3. I stopped paying everything but the basics.
I can't even afford to file for bankruptcy. Just paying to keep the power on keeps me sane.
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:26 PM
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4. Find that bankruptcy money...
Work two jobs if need be.

After those debts become judgments, they are harder to discharge, if not impossible from what I've heard...
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:35 PM
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5. The worst part of judgements is that they can lead to garnishments
...and take away what little you have for basics. If a person is broke, even a small garnishment can hurt like hell.

Another possibility is to start sending a token payment to the creditors. Even if it's only an insignificant amount, it can make it much harder for a creditor to get a judgement.

(not speaking as a credit advisor -- just someone who's been broke a lot)
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:48 PM
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8. Only in states that permit such garnishments, Pennsylvania and Texas do not.
NOW, Pennsylvania does permit garnishment of wages for Child support, Taxes and student loans BUT not for credit card debts.

In the other 48 states the 25% federal limitation restricts garnishment.
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:06 PM
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18. 25% of a pittance is criminal...
I hate this money-loving nonsense.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:58 PM
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6. dencol
whatever bills you can't pay, just try to send them something - even five bucks.....it helps - they don't become as vigilant if you keep in contact
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:26 PM
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9. Bad Advice, if you can NOT pay them off, do NOT pay them at all.
Edited on Wed May-05-10 09:58 PM by happyslug
Most states have Four year stature of limitations on debts, if the creditor does NOT file a lawsuit within four years of the last time you made a payment, the creditor can NOT get a Judgment (He can file a lawsuit, but when it gets to trial all you have to show is that you made no payments in the four years prior to the filing, then the case will be dismissed).

If you make $5 payments, that extends the statute of limitation another month. My experience is force the issue, do NOT make the payment, when they start to call you tell them you do NOT want to hear from them except by legal process (The wordings is from the Federal Debt Collection act that covers such calls). When told the above, most creditors will stop calling, if they do not write them a letter saying you do not want to hear from them by legal process (The Federal Debt Collection Act requires such notice to be in writing but I have had good luck with verbal communication of the notice required). If that debt collector calls you AFTER they received the notice, that is a violation of the Federal Debt Collection act and you can then file a counterclaim against the Debt Collector for violation the Federal Debt Collection law.

Here is a paper I wrote several years ago on debt collection, some of the numbers have changed (For example when I wrote the paper Bankruptcy Filing fee was $209, now it is $299). Furthermore the 2005 "Bankruptcy Reform Act" restricted who can file bankruptcy (But it affected less then 5% of the people who previously filed bankruptcy AND added the wavier of filing fees for low income people):

BASIC CONCEPTS IN DEBT COLLECTION AND BANKRUPTCY IN PENNSYLVANIA 2/20/2002.

Debt Collection is done either "Pre-Judgment" or "Post-Judgment". A Judgment is a judicial finding that a Debtor owes money to a Creditor. A judgment is only entered by a Judge or District Justice (Called a Justice of the Peace in other states) upon a filing of a lawsuit claiming that a Debtor owes money to a Creditor. Attachment of wages, bank accounts and Sheriff Sales of Property can only be done "Post-Judgment".

PRE-JUDGMENT DEBT COLLECTION
Federal FAIR DEBT COLLECTION PRACTICES ACT (15 U.S.C. § 1692)

Pre-Judgment debt collection is an attempt to collect on a debt without having to go through legal process (i.e. without having to sue you in court). Pre-Judgment debt collection activity is occurs when a debtor fails to pay on a debt. Such a Debtor has three choices:

(1) First the debtor can pay on the debt.

(2) If the debtor can not pay than the debtor can try to make a payment arrangements with these creditors, (Something creditors will do, but most often when it is to the benefit of the CREDITOR not the Debtor).

(3) The third option that can be done is NOT to pay the creditor and tell them you do not want to hear from them except by legal service (i.e. the when the creditor sues you for the money).

Unless a debtor can pay the debt the best option for debtors is not to pay the creditors. If a debtor selects the option of not paying the creditor, the creditor can sue the debtor in a court of law and get a judgment against the debtor. (See the following pages for details).

Now the Federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act and similar state acts covers HOW debt collectors are to act when trying to collect a debt. Under these acts many collection activity are prohibited and WHAT a debt collector can do are restricted. The most important two restriction are the following:

1. The Debt Collector can only contact a Debtor once a week, and

2. The Debt Collector must stop contacting if the Debtor inform the Debt Collectors, in writing, that the Debtor does not want to hear from them except by legal service (i.e the Creditor is suing the Debtor).

I always advise my clients to keep a log of how often Creditors call my clients and WHAT they say to my clients. Often the Debt Collectors commit violations of the "Fair Debt Collection Practices Act" (FDCPA) (and similar state acts), but the only way to catch them is to keep a log. Please note that the "Fair Debt Collection Practices Act" (FDCPA) permit the Debtor to collect for violations of the act by a Collection Agency. My experience has been that most Collections Agencies resort to the illegal tactics because they have no intention to sue and thus not worried about any counterclaims under the "Fair Debt Collection Practices Act" (FDCPA). Among the prohibited activities are the use of any "harnessing, unfair or deceptive collection practice". Other violations are also possible but that will have to be addressed based on the facts if and when you are sued. Please note the FDCPA only applies to Debt Collectors, not to the person you owe money to.

If you believe you have been treated unfairly by the debt collector you can call the Pennsylvania Attorney General, Bureau of Consumer Affairs at (814) 949-7900 in Ebensburg Pennsylvania;
or the Hotline at 1-800-441-2555, and file a complaint.


Judgment

A Judgment is a judicial finding that a Defendant owes someone (Called a Plaintiff) money. A Judgment can be only entered after a Pleading (called a "Complaint") is filed in either District Justice Courts, Common Pleas Court or Federal District Court. If a person dispute a debt, the best time to dispute the debt is in front of a Judge, Board of Arbitrators or District Justice. Except in District Justice Court a Defendant must respond in writing (Called an "Answer"). If you wish to defend contact an attorney whenever you receive a copy any Complaint.

Magistrate District Judges Courts (Formerly District Justice Court and before the 1960s Justices of the Peace).

In District Justice Practice a Complaint is filed by a Creditor and a hearing date is set. If the Defendant wants to contest the debt all a Defendant has to do is appear at the set time for the hearing. District Justice court are viewed as not giving "Due Process" for District Justice Courts do not provide an opportunity to supply a written answer (and no jury). For this reason there is an absolute right to appeal any decision of a District Justice. The appeal is to Common Pleas Court and must be filed within 30 days of the decision of the District Justice (10 days if possession of Rental property is in dispute). On how to Appeal please see an Attorney.

Filing In Common Pleas Court and Arbitration

In Common Pleas Court, once a Complaint is filed the Defendant has 20 days to file a written "Answer" to the Complaint. Once the Pleadings are done, the case (if less than $20,000) is assigned to a Board of Arbitrators who set a hearing date and hears both sides. Like District Justice Court, if either side dislikes the decision of the Arbitrators they may appeal for a hearing in front of a Judge and/or Jury.

Common Pleas Court Hearing

If the action is for more than $20,000 (or an appealed is taken from a decision of a Board of Arbitrators) than a trial in front of a Judge and/or Jury is permitted under Pennsylvania Law. This is the final hearing on the merits of a case, any appeal to Superior Court or the Pennsylvania Supreme Court will be on legal technicalities only.

Defenses against Entry Of Judgment.

Now in addition to any defense based on not owning the money, the law permits other types of defenses based on legal technicalities. The following are partial list of such technicalities:

1. Statute of Limitations

If a Creditor waits more than four years from the last time you made any payments before he sues you, the lawsuit may be dismissed under the statute of limitations. In Pennsylvania (and the Uniform Commercial Code in general) the Statute of Limitation is four years from the last time you made any payments. Please note there are exceptions to this four year statute of limitations but there are exemptions to the general rule (One exemption is if the contract is a loan from a bank "under seal", then the statute of limitation is 21 years in Pennsylvania).

Federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA)

Please note your rights under the "Fair Debt Collection Practices Act"(FDCPA)(15 U.S.C.A. §§1692 to 1692o.), mention on page one of this paper are also enforced at this stage of any litigation.

Pennsylvania Consumer Protection Acts (Title 69 & 73)

Pennsylvania has several consumer protection laws, including the following, in any lawsuit you should discuss these with a attorney:

1. Pennsylvanian "Unfair Trade Practices and Consumer Protection Law", (73 P.S. § 201-1 et seq).

2. The "Plain Language Consumer Contract Act" 73 P.S. § 2201 et seq.

3. E-Commerce is governed by the "Electronic Transaction Act", 73 P.S. 2260.101 et seq.

4. The "Motor Vehicle Sales Finance Act" (MVSFA) (69 P.S. 601 et seq.), also has requirements that a creditor must perform before he can collect from a client who automobile has been repossessed. Please note the MVSFA does permit re-possession of an automobile even if you are one day late in payments.

Federal Consumer Protection laws

They are other Federal Consumer Protections laws that you should discuss with an attorney before you leave a Complaint go to Judgment, these include the following:

1. Consumer Leasing Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1667 et seq,

2. Consumer Credit Cost Disclosure, 15 U.S.C. § 1601 et seq.

3. "Unfair and Deceptive Practice Act" (UDAP), 12 U.S.C. § 45 et seq.

4. Regulation "Z" of the Federal Reserve System, 12 C.F.R. § 226 et seq.


Post-Judgment Debt Collection.

Once a Judgment is entered against a person, that Judgment is a lien on that person’s Real and Personal Property. Once a Judgment is entered the Plaintiff can ask for an "Execution Sale" of the Debtor’s Personal Property (We will not discuss the sale of Real Property in this Paper). Furthermore the Plaintiff can ask the Sheriff to "Attach" any bank accounts or other money asset of the debtor.

As a rule Pennsylvania exempts the following from Execution Sale:

1. Personal Clothing.
2. Wages (But if deposited into a bank account can be attached by the Sheriff)
3. A Bible
4. $300 in other personal property. ($600 for a couple if BOTH of them owes the debt.)
5. Pension funds.


In addition the following are exempt under Federal Law, please note the Federal Exemptions, unlike the Pennsylvania wage exemption, applies to such money even in Bank accounts:

1. Social Security and SSI Benefits,
2. Veteran’s Benefits

One of the main advantages of the Federal Exemptions from the state’s Exemptions is that the Federal Exemptions survive conversion of the exempt asset into a bank account. For example if your Social Security has direct deposit (and no other money is deposited into that account) the money is still exempt from attachment by the Sheriff. On the other hand wages are exempt under the State exemption but as soon as the wages are deposited into a bank account, the Sheriff can attach the money.

For the above reason I always warn my clients who have judgments against them, never to deposit wages or any other money into a bank account.

Personal Property Sheriff (Execution) Sale

Pennsylvania also permits the sheriff to sell your personal property, but only if such property exceeds $300 in value. Such sales are called Sheriff Sales (The Official name is "Execution Sale" but I will use the popular name in this letter) Under Pennsylvania Law if you are subject to a Sheriff Sale of personal property the Sheriff can sell ALL of your personal property.

Under Pennsylvania law the only exemption from Sheriff sale are personal clothing, a bible and $300 in other personal property. You get to select the items that make up your $300 exemption but it is still limited to only $300. Please note that trailers, automobiles and pets are "Personal Property" and thus can be sold by the Sheriff in a personal property Sheriff Sale.

For a detail list of Pennsylvania Exemptions see:
http://www.filing-bankruptcy-form.com/forms/exemptions/Pennsylvania.pdf

List of State by State, State Exemptions:
http://www.filing-bankruptcy-form.com/bankruptcy-exemptions.html

The Sheriff can only sell the assets of the Debtor, not the Property of the Spouse of the Debtor.

Once a judgment is entered a creditor can request an execution sale take place and than only to the property of the person who owns the debt. i.e. the Sheriff or Constable can not sell the property of a debtor’s spouse’s for the debt nor sell marital property for a debt of one spouse (they can sell marital property for the debt of BOTH spouses, but not just one spouse). The Sheriff or Constable can not sell property owned by any one else for the debt of the debtor.
Now the law assumes all property is owned in the same nature as the real property is held, i.e. if a debtor rent (or own) a house with the debtor’s spouse, all property on the property is assumed to be marital property.

If debtor rent (or own) a house alone all personal property in the house is assumed to be the debtor’s alone.

If a debtor lives with someone else (i.e with debtor’s parents, or with any other person where debtor is not a tenant) the law assume all personal property on the real property is the same as the real property, i.e. the parents (or the person who has title to the real property).

Now the above is an assumption which can be overcome by evidence (including the testimony of the debtor). If a constable or sheriff deputy does tag property belonging to another person, that person must go to the District Justice that issued the judgment (if a constable is during the execution sale) or to the Sheriff (if a sheriff deputy is doing the sale) and file an objection to the levy on the grounds that the tagged property does not belong to the debtor. If the person filing the objection loses in front of the District Justice or Sheriff, that person can appeal the decision to Common Pleas Court. For this reason I always recommend if someone is subject to an execution sale they should call my office so we can open a file on the actual execution sale.

What I mean by the above is that the Sheriff can not sell the property of a debtor’s spouse nor any marital property. Marital property under Pennsylvania law is viewed as owned by both spouses with both spouses having an "Undividable Half Interest" in the marital property. "Undividable Half Interest" means that any marital property can not be sold for the debt of ONE spouse (It can be sold for the debt of BOTH spouses. If the SPOUSAL residence is in both spouses’s names it is marital property. Any vehicle own in BOTH names is also marital property. An argument can be made that a car in one spouse's name is still marital property if it was purchased during the marriage or in anticipation of the marriage. I always recommend to married couples to add each other’s names to their automobile’s title.

Also under Pennsylvania law there is an presumption that any personal property on real property is held in the same title as the Real Property. (See the next paragraph for details on this presumption.) Please note this is a presumption, like all presumptions can be overcome by evidence (including your testimony that something is your separate property).

The above presumption is that any personal property on real property is held in the same name as the real property, thus if the real estate is in both spouse’s name, the personal property on the real property is presumed by law to be marital property. On the other hand if the real property is only in one person's name the personal property in that real property is presumed by law to be that person's property alone.


SPOUSAL NECESSITIES DOCTRINE

The above as to treatment of spousal debt has one exception, the "Spousal Necessities Doctrine". Under Pennsylvania law a spouse (For ease of understanding hereafter referred to a "Husband" but may be a wife) may be held liable for the debts of a dependent spouse (Hereafter referred to as "Wife" but may be a Husband) only if the husband co-sign for the debt or the debt is a "Necessity". Now if the husband co-sign for the debt he is jointly liable for the debt but if the husband did not sign for the debt he is liable only if

a. the creditor looked to the husband to pay for the debt when the wife incurred the debt and

b. the debt is for a "Necessity".

c. the burden of proof on both elements above is on the CREDITOR.

Now what is a "Necessity"? A "Necessity" is something a husband would be expected to pay for his wife, i.e. Clothing, food, etc., but not something a husband would not be expected to buy for his wife. In most cases if a creditor looked to the wife for payment they can not claim it is a "Necessity".

The "Spousal Necessities Doctrine" is a very old doctrine but still used in Pennsylvania. In my opinion, luxury goods, gifts, etc are not “necessities” but in any particular case it is question of fact up to a District Justice, Judge or Jury to decide. I warn my clients of this doctrine but also tell them I have only had one case in ten years involving the doctrine and that case was never resolved. Very rarely used in litigation but you never know when it will appear.

BANKRUPTCY

The Federal exemption under Federal Bankruptcy Laws are much more generous than the State Exemption from Execution Sale. (The following list was accurate for 2002, for a more modern list see:
Please note the following number have been income indexed for some time, the following site gives the UN-adjusted numbers:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode11/usc_sec_11_00000522----000-.html:

1. You can retain $15,000 equity in your home (Inflation adjusted each year, for 2010 it is 20,200)

2. You can have up to $2400 equity in one automobile

3. $400.00 in any one piece of personal property primarily used for household use. Total not to exceed $8,000

4. $1075.00 In Jewelry

5. $850.00 plus up to $8,075.00 of the amount set aside for real property exemption and not used as part of the real property exemption.

6 $1,500.00 in tools of one’s trade (2010 $2050)

7. Immatured life insurance policies

8 Other items

The income indexed numbers for the above for 2010 see:
http://www.articlesbase.com/bankruptcy-articles/current-federal-bankruptcy-exemptions-1915909.html

The down size of Bankruptcy are the following:

1. Cost is $299.00
2. Can only file once every eight years
3. Extensive paperwork involved YOU MUST LIST EVERY DEBT AND ASSET YOU KNOW OF.
4. Under the Bankruptcy Reform act Debtor MUST go to both a pre-filing Counseling session and a post Filing "Financial Management Course, which the debtor must pay for over and above the Filing Fee of $299 (But again waived if below 150% of the federal poverty level).

Please note the following can NOT be discharged in Bankruptcy:

1. Debts do to any criminal activity

2. Debts do to a Auto Accident involving alcohol or drugs

3. Debts secured by other property, i.e mortgage or Auto Loan, but only to the value of the item securing the loan. These debts are often referred to as "Secured Debts".

4. Municipal utility bill, these are viewed as a lien on the real property being served.

5. Other miscellaneous debts.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:36 PM
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10. Happyslug is absolutely right. The statute of limitations clock is reset by your last payment.
The entire post is excellent. Anyone in deep trouble should read it twice.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:54 PM
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13. If you owe on credit cards, let it go
Don't make contact with the cc companies, and eventually the account will be charged off.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:03 PM
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14. "Charged off" is an accounting principal NOT a legal one
The account will be "Charged off" but then it can be sold to someone else who will file the lawsuit. I have had several clients in with such "Charged off" credit cards being sued by such buyers of such "Bad Paper" (Another accounting term for such debts, important for tax and financial law purposes BUT not when it comes to the actual debts).

Just a remember that just because a debt has been "Charged off" does NOT mean it can be not the grounds for a lawsuit if done within four years of the last payment,
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:46 AM
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22. Yep, Just ignoring it and not trying to pay anything they will fuck you worse
I had a credit card for Circuit City when I was like 19, and stupid, and charged it up to about a grand on some great subs and amps...

I was good with paying it down for a few months and things got tight and I still wanted to party every night so it just fell by the wayside...Fast forward about eight years and it had been sold three times off to different debt collection agencies who had trouble contacting me from moving a bunch and moving states.

Each one of those is a unique hit on your credit report...triple fucked. Took me several years to clean everything up so I could be at a point where I could be responsible and buy a house :)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:04 PM
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31. Again, everything depends on your situation and what
is going on in your life.

If you don't own anything at all that they want, (ie you rent or live with family or friends) what can they do?

In California, the law states that your accounts are forgiven, if you have not made any payment in four years. In other words, it is not legal for any creditor to take you to court for a judgement.

I agreee that his might not work for everyone. After all, who wants to lose their house, but for some people it does work.

Why pay these people? Especially since if you have been paying over 10% interest, you have probably paid what you owe already for whatever cost of shoddy goods you have bought. The accounts charged to the consumers are at least 50% penalties and interest. Mafiosa style interest at that.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:18 AM
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26. Bookmarking for future reference. Thanks happyslug. n/t
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 06:28 PM
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40. good, but at the end, could you please edit to read "Debts due to ..."
(#1 and #2) -- that bugs the hell out of me and detracts from the professionalism of your piece.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:44 PM
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7. If you are earning less then 150% of the poverty level, there is no fee to file bankruptcy.
Now, you have to find an lawyer who will take on the case for free (The courts position is that if you can afford to pay a lawyer, you can afford to pay the $299 filing fee). Most legal services agencies can provide free legal services, but only if you are earning less then 125% of the poverty level (Depend on the local Legal Services guidelines, some do NOT do any bankruptcy, others only do it if it stops an "Emergency" i.e. sheriff sale of your property).

The poverty guidelines: 150% of the poverty level is $16,245 annual income for a family of 1:
http://liheap.ncat.org/profiles/povertytables/FY2010/popstate.htm
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:43 PM
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11. talk to a credit advisor -
when the collectors call, agree to $1 every 3 months and pay it - it makes them stay away.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:06 PM
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15. As I said above, bad advice
The better statement is "I do NOT want to hear from you except by Legal Process" is the langugue required by the Debt Collection Act, and it can stop almost all calls from debt collectors.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:07 PM
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38. Yep, it is one thing to threaten legal action, but quite another to actually do it.
And these companies have to take everything they know about your account into account, which is usually nothing but a file full of dates and numbers.
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:32 AM
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20. I filed chapter 7 almost a year ago
Read what Happyslug has posted. Those posts are well written and they agree with my experience/understanding of the current FDCA and bankruptcy law.

Yes, it is absolutely possible that depending on your situation, the BKR filing fee would be waived. Failing that, it is also possible that you would be allowed to pay the fee in installments. Call your region's BKR court (google "federal bankruptcy court ) or talk to local legal aid.

As far as finding a lawyer to file, what you need in terms of legal advice also will vary according to your situation. My bankruptcy was fairly simple, and I filed it myself (no house, no spouse, no children, no non-exempt assets). I was able to qualify for chapter 7. If your situation is more complicated or if you require a chapter 13, you may need some legal advice. Again, talk to legal aid. Plus, many BKR attorneys offer free consoltation on the first visit. The advice you would get there would help you decide if BKR is the right option and how much help you will need. You also might find a deal with a newly graduated law student.

Bear in mind, there are other costs in addition to just the filing and possible attorney fees. Under the current law, you also have to go through 2 counseling sessions that you must pay for. I managed to take both over the Internet for about $60.

The majority of forms, calculators and more you will need for BKR are on the Internet. I found the book "Personal Bankruptcy for Dummies" to be an indispensible resource.

Good luck.
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:17 AM
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21. You can file bankruptcy without a lawyer
Go to your courthouse library (all have one) look up bankruptcy. Print out pages you need to file, this usually costs about one dollar a page. Fill them out then give it to the clerk of the court. This will be about a ten dollar fee. Then wait for a court date and represent yourself. Be sure to have all the necessary copies of all your debts when you have to appear. Thats it. My friend did this and I did it for another type of case. We both saved hundreds of dollars.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:55 PM
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28. It's really not advisable.
If you run into problems with exemptions, property transfers or secured debt, or if you have to penalize a creditor for ignoring the automatic stay it really helps to have someone knowledgeable in your corner.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:09 PM
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32. Please DO NOT offer legal advice with just "my friend did it" as a justification
Edited on Thu May-06-10 03:10 PM by liberation
Advice based on anecdotal indirect experience can lead to more harm than good, if some poor sap was to follow it to the letter.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:44 AM
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24. go here.. it will help you more than you know
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:22 PM
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34. Try and find a non-profit.
I am dead serious about this- if you can't handle the bills you need to file for bankruptcy. Talk to lawyers about pro-bono work, talk to paralegals to file the paperwork to work pro-bono.

This needs to be handled before the banks handle you.

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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:49 PM
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12. This is what not "too big to fail" gets nt
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:08 PM
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16. RIP NT
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:29 PM
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19. Poor lady.
I know the feeling of depression and anxiety, and I can only imagine how bad or hopeless she must have felt.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:38 AM
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23. "trail of financial bills"
Edited on Thu May-06-10 09:39 AM by Javaman
A modern day version of "the grapes of wrath".

I really wish an updated, no holds barred, blunt version of that would be produced.

So many people in this nation dying by "death by a thousand cuts" every day. All the while the media spouts on about how things are improving.

32,000 thousand jobs created? while millions still out of work, losing homes, unable to eat or pay their bills or get medical attention for themselves.

We are a joke nation. The US exists at the bottom of the list for how we take care of our citizens. Yet, the propaganda machine gets fully funded, while people blow their brains out, out of desperation.

A trail of bills. That is a metaphor for this nation. A trail of bills, unpaid, coming due, creditors knocking at the door.

We are # something! We are # something! We are # something! We are # something! We are # something! We are # something! We are # something!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:21 AM
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27. Sounds like a bad case of depression
The psychological kind, which kills thousands of people every year.

Nobody dies of debt. There are always options for dealing with it. People who are severely depressed sometimes can't see that.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:02 PM
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30. Depression caused or exacerbated by an intolerable situation.
Debt collectors are bullies who use proven psychological tactics to make a person feel cornered. They want to pressure you to get the money from ANYWHERE--more debt, double shifts, theft--just to satisfy their client. If a "dead beat" kills herself once in a while, no loss, she wasn't going to pay anyway.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:43 PM
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35. Consumers have many legal protections against abuses by creditors
But someone who is already depressed may be too vulnerable and weak to do anything to protect herself.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:56 PM
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29. sad. I thought thread header referred to money
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:15 PM
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33. sad...there is something strangely poetic about that...
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:56 PM
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36. Very, very sad...
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:59 PM
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37. Good thing she didn't pull a Joe Stack
and blame innocent folks for her woes.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 05:10 PM
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39. Grim ... RIP
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