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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:06 PM
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“U.S. Agents Bordered the Plane” ABC News: Outsourcing Journalism Jobs
“The Times Square bombing suspect Faisal Shahzad was "extremely nervous" when U.S. agents bordered the plane to arrest him Monday night, but "hasn't stopped talking" since, law enforcement authorities told ABC News."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/times-square-bombing-faisal-shahzad-admits-bombing-authorities/story?id=10557039

So what? It is just a typo, write? Uh, I mean right. I am sure that the editor at ABC News did not intend to suggest that U.S. agents applied a decorative trim---maybe some lace or a nice velvet ribbon---to the plane.

bor•der n.
1. A part that forms the outer edge of something.
2. A decorative strip around the edge of something, such as fabric.
3. A strip of ground, as at the edge of a garden or walk, in which ornamental plants or shrubs are planted.
4. The line or frontier area separating political divisions or geographic regions; a boundary.
v. bor•dered, bor•der•ing, bor•ders
v.tr.
1. To put a border on.
2. To lie along or adjacent to the border of: Canada borders the United States.
v.intr.
1. To lie adjacent to another: The United States borders on Canada.
2. To be almost like another in character: an act that borders on heroism.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/border

I know what you are thinking. No one likes a smart ass. And, in 21st Century America, we are much too relaxed to care about grammar. What is the wurst..I mean, the worst that could happen?

"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."
Dan Quayle, Vice President


Once upon a time in America, folks who talked like Dan Quayle could never hope to be more than Vice President. Quayle was so dumb that Bush Sr. considered him impeachment insurance. But times have changed.

"They have miscalculated me as a leader."
George W. Bush



In case you have not noticed yet, U.S. news organizations have been outsourcing jobs to other countries.

Brayden Simms had only five months to warm his seat as a copy editor at the Miami Herald before he joined the long list of journalists across the country losing their jobs faster and more suddenly than a breaking story.

But while media companies are slashing their staff rosters, consolidating newsrooms and forcing those journalists left standing to take on the job responsibilities of their laid-off co-workers, there was something unique about Simms’ firing: He would be replaced. But the new copy editor doesn’t live in Miami, or Florida, or even the U.S. The McClatchy Co., parent of the Miami Herald, is handing Simms’ copyediting duties to a company in India.

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In June, McClatchy tapped the Miami Herald to eliminate 250 full-time positions. “Considering the recent spate of industry layoffs in South Florida, my forced buyout means I may need to relocate to find journalism work,” Simms wrote. He was reluctant to grant Extra! an interview in time for publication, as his severance check had yet to clear.

Taking over for Simms is Mindworks Global Media, a company headquartered near New Delhi. The company website boasts that “Mindworks’ staff edits and lays out newspaper pages, letting publishers reduce operational costs in print while keeping reporters and writers on the beat.”
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3705


We are not talking nickels and dimes here.

Research into production outsourcing by US and UK newspapers estimates that it is worth £1.9bn to the Indian economy at present and could reach £6.5bn by 2012. The study, by ValueNotes, claims that 26,000 people already work in the offshored publishing industry, which is expected to grow to 74,000 over the next two years.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2008/sep/24/asia

What are a few billion dollars between friends? Since the bank bailout, a billion does not seem like much anymore. And think of all the new (overeducated) service sector employees this move will generate. The next time a fastfood clerk asks “Would you like fries with your burger?”, he will know how to spell “fries” as well as how to cook them.

So what if an American writer (me) deplores the new trend of having copy serfs in other countries?

Though some in journalism may see the trend toward using outsiders' content as disheartening, at least one media observer said the industry bristles less over quality concerns than their own diminished importance. ]"These companies present a challenge to a certain arrogance in the profession that says we know best," New York University professor Jay Rosen said. "So now the work of interpreting these signals from the 'live web' are going to these other companies that don't have the same editorial standards, frankly."


http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=143565

I do not claim to know best. But I do know the difference between bordered and boarded. I will bet that Richard Esposito, the author of that ABC News story knows the difference, too. But journalists are often too busy to do their own proofreading. They rely upon editors. What happens when the editors do not know English? Stories like the one at ABC News are the result.

Ask yourself, do you really want your child to grow up talking like George W. Bush? Do you really want your news stories to be written by people in other countries who could care less what happens in the U.S. as long as they get paid? What ever happened to responsible journalism?

Oh, yeah. It got canned by CBS for having the temerity to report a story that was in the national best interest but not in the corporate interest.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/62

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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:15 PM
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1. Free Press is under siege...
... why it's so important to support TRUE net neutrality.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:17 PM
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2. My pet peeve...
Communications is my business... I come down rather hard on anyone in my office that lets stupidity like that fly! A minimum of three sets of eyes hits every bit of client and press material. Don't get me started on TV news chirons!

If we let it go, the language will deteriorate to the level of TeaBaggers on a grand scale! I'm series!

:cry:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:30 PM
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7. Did I work for you??? LOL. Even in the books I read I cringe when I
see the typos and misspellings. Same as in our office, always sat with my co-worker and we read each others work. It also provided a little break and the satisfaction that the boss would be happy...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:55 PM
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11. I love 19th Century Russian and English writing...
Except for the punctuation... drives me nuts! LOL!

It's really the only thing I'm hard-nosed about, since we're a communications firm and all:)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:51 PM
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27. What about their punctuation?
I received a phishing e-mail recently. At first I was confused -- until I noticed that instead of periods, the author had used commas. Every sentence ended with a comma. A dead giveaway.

I thought maybe the e-mail came from China. It had to be some country that uses punctuation differently than we do.

One comma instead of a period could happen, but that's not a mistake that a person would make after every sentence.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:23 AM
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34. I worked as a temp one time for a PR firm and of course, you're right.
Edited on Thu May-06-10 08:24 AM by monmouth
What goes out of the office and is seen by the public reflects on the firm itself and any potential clients. Do you remember Elaine Benes (Seinfeld) going nuts over the use of the exclamation mark? (!) Absolutely one of the funniest performances and she was so right...LOL.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:43 PM
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16. Will????
Has !!!!!

Seems almost every story I read has mis-used words, tenses, etc.

The OP's point may explain why.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:57 PM
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18. I stand corrected!
You're absolutely right! I need to pull my head out of the sand and realize that the Idiocracy has arrived... ugh.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:11 PM
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20. "Why come you got no tattoo?" Doctor, "Idiocracy"
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:34 PM
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22. TeaBagger rally? Hmmm...
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:08 AM
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37. If communication is your business, then....
I trust you are aware that "communication" is singular. :)

(I had a college professor who went bonkers when she heard people say they were "Communications" majors. So I've gotten to be sort of a language nazi myself... I'm not picking on you, just taking up where she left off!)
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:24 AM
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39. There intiltled too beeleave wat day want too beeleave... Me series too!
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:41 AM
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49. I thought so
I have studily noticed (:dunce: ) an increase in misspellings and grammar, over the last decade, in major publications. Well, McDonald's has already "tested" the outsourcing of its front line staff. They said they saved a lot of money....so maybe the post grad student will just be frying the fries... Seriously, it is up to everyone of us to demand our country back. Maybe we could all join the Socialist party and draft Bernie Sanders as our Presidential candidate. It would have to be an improvement.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:41 AM
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50. I thought so
I have studily noticed (:dunce: ) an increase in misspellings and grammar, over the last decade, in major publications. Well, McDonald's has already "tested" the outsourcing of its front line staff. They said they saved a lot of money....so maybe the post grad student will just be frying the fries... Seriously, it is up to everyone of us to demand our country back. Maybe we could all join the Socialist party and draft Bernie Sanders as our Presidential candidate. It would have to be an improvement.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:21 PM
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3. I saw the border. It was a lovely ball fringe in hot pink.
I thought it was adorable.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:55 PM
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12. Eats shoots and leaves!
:rofl:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:44 PM
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25. All your english are belong to us.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:24 PM
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4. As a moron and moran high school teacher once said to me:
Edited on Wed May-05-10 05:55 PM by PCIntern
"The days of the Renaissance Man has passed"

On edit: and good grammar has went...
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:30 PM
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6. Not if it is in the heart and mind of people of good heart and spirit.
Edited on Wed May-05-10 05:33 PM by RandomThoughts
Great scene from a movie.

Renaissance man - Band of Brothers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApcrdI-XPdU



So I guess there are many people, and many types of wounds suffered by people in life. But there is also joy and yes even Renaissance.


What I always thought about that, is it says he that sheds his blood, not he that takes anothers. A concept of protection and courage.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:53 PM
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9. I bet he/she knew if our children is learning... eom
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:26 PM
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5. The English that I was taught in grade school is being so horribly mangled by ALL
Edited on Wed May-05-10 05:26 PM by BrklynLiberal
the media these days that I truly wonder..
a. Did the writers/commentators not complete even their high school education?
b. Are the writers/commentators people to whom English is not a first language?
c. Where the hell are the editors these days?

I am talking basic English grammar and usage!!! It is amazing!!!!!!
affect/effect
chose/choose
between/among
and on and on and on...
I am not even going to start listing adverb usage and idiotic grammar errors.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:43 PM
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42. Quality has decreased over many years
One of my favorite daily past times in the 1990's was spotting all the typos on the front page of the Poughkeepsie Journal, a Gannet publication. The first time I saw one I was scandalized. The front page!
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:46 PM
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47. I don't know how many MSM gerbils use the phrase "completely destroyed."
Edited on Thu May-06-10 04:49 PM by bulloney
That phrase is redundant. I had a journalism teacher who would rip you a new one if you ever used that phrase.

The MSM gerbils hardly ever attribute their statements to any specific source. They often use some nebulous phrase like, "SOME say that..." If I ever wrote a report like that, my instructor would write in big red letters, "SAYS WHO?" and mark off several points from my score.

Also, media is plural for medium. You don't say, "The media IS biased." Rather, "The media ARE biased."

The misuse of its and it's drives me nuts on this website.

It's is a contraction for "it is" or "it was."

Its is a possessive pronoun. That dog has lost its sense of smell.

Then, there are those who think that EVERY word that ends in an s must have an apostrophe preceding that s.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:42 PM
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8. Well, if they bordered the plane, they'd have all the exits covered.
Edited on Wed May-05-10 05:48 PM by Festivito
Sure, they'd look silly up there, but, this is America fighting terrorism and WE'RE #1. WERE #1. WHERE #1. WEAR #1!!!!!!!1111!!1!!!1

(Just couldn't resist)
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:54 PM
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10. You forgot WEIR #1
Courtesy, a local wyrd-o :P
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:56 PM
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13. Quite Saint-Cyr of you!
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:10 PM
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15. Since we're all for sale: WARE #1.
(But, I had edited enough.)
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:56 PM
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14. I remember reading a few years back that a newspaper in
the New England area was outsourcing city council and county commission stories to India. The newspaper digitalized and uploaded each council and commission meeting. India would then produce an article on the meeting's outcome. Problem was the newspaper readers (unaware of India's input) complained that the writer misinterpreted the back and forth discussions between citizens and the elected. Or the sense of history of an issue was missing, or just the general nuance was not there.

Not sure if that newspaper continued with India or not.

I'm a daily subscriber and personally, I would find it insulting if I found they were outsourcing. There is a trust issue involved.

If newspapers must save money, there are plenty of people in this country who could do a much better job from their homes - or even partner with the local college & their English Dept.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:56 PM
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17. Lightening and loosing....
Are the to words I see most commonly misspelled these days.

Ugh.
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freebrew Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:03 PM
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45. Really? My former employer mis-used the word moot..
She constantly said mute instead of the word needed. It was embarrassing in meetings in the NE.
She also constantly bitched that New Englanders treated 'us Missourians' like we were stupid.

Well, there's stupid and then there's stoopid.
Neither of the company managers could spell or speak properly, maybe the reason they were promoted?

Then again, the folks in New England weren't any better when it came to spelling.
Spellcheck has ruined the language, IMHO.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:58 PM
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19. Vicious circle.
Fewer people read newspapers. With less revenue coming in, the newspapers cut costs by shrinking the newshole and outsourcing editorial work. The new, inferior product causes still more people to abandon newspapers. Repeat.

In my view, the greater problem with contemporary journalism is the ascendance of corporate cheerleading and self-censorship.

And yet worse. The final nail in the coffin of responsible journalism is the emergence of a citizenry that has been trained to view current events and issues as consumer items. The mission of consumer journalism is to entertain and to hold attention rather than to inform. Lacking both sources of reliable information and the habit of seeking out dispassionate accounts of the world around us, the people are easily manipulated...



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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:13 PM
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21. geez, get that spell check out-at least!!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:34 PM
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29. Spell checkers make for unintentionally hilarious mistakes.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:42 PM
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23. Rec. Thanks for the reminder, McCamy. On a slightly different note, a friend who owns a
restaurant told me that she has to teach EVERY employee under the age of 35 how to make change. They're so used to seeing the computer screen tell them how much money they are supposed to give the customer, that they do not have a clue how to figure it out for themselves.

The clincher was the high-school student (one who allegedly made good grades) who had NEVER used real money in her life. This person was 18 and had never once used cash. She had always charged her purchases on a debit or credit card.

The restaurant owner and I were equally non-plussed by that revelation.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:55 PM
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28. Newspapers lost my confidence when they reported Bush's
propaganda prior to the Iraq invasion without criticism. Lost me there. The LA Times never got me back. I just do not trust its reporting.
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mrmpa Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:04 AM
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48. I worked at McDonald's when they had
real cash registers and there were no pictures on it.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:46 PM
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24. In the spirit of the OP: Couldn't (not could) care less
Carry on.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:39 PM
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30. Good one, REP.
:evilgrin:
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:45 PM
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44. Oh sorry ... I just made the same comment
I should've read all the comments first, I guess.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:49 PM
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26. A lot of billing is outsourced.
Companies sometimes don't proofread the bills.

Lots of mistakes are made on the bills, so read your bills carefully.
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nilram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:43 PM
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31. I once made fun of a similar mistake in the NYT to a professional writer friend
She said she always cut the newspapers some slack since they have to produce a huge volume of copy each and every day. This was before there was any outsourcing or grammar checkers (though there might have been spell checkers though).

There is no excuse, however, for Dan Quayle or George Bush, in any regard.


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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:41 AM
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32. It's everywhere!
Not just in the media although that's pretty important. I just had an ebay deal from hell with a person that had the ultimate tea bagger mentality. Every reply I got from ebay read like a 3rd grader in India wrote it. Syntax errors, poor spelling, and worst of all, asking for replies from me with no vehicle for said replies. Crazy, and this from a company that makes mega bucks.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:53 AM
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33. Good catch.
The scales fell from my eyes when I discovered profit motivates most of America's press corpse.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:55 AM
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35. a thousand years ago....
newspapers had "proof readers" that checked for grammatical and spelling errors. even i who received d`s and c`s in english high school

and community college courses can spot errors.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:58 AM
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36. I didn't know copyediting was outsourced to foreigners. I was afraid
that American journalists and editors were just kind of stupid. And maybe they are, but this does explain some of it.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:18 AM
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38. I hate to defend McClatchy's move here, but I feel it should at least be pointed out...
that the Herald outsourced only a small portion of its copy editing -- advertising copy and some community news -- to India. The rest is still done in-house.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 12:22 PM
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40. Who actually cares?


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:02 PM
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41. What idiots. nt
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:44 PM
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43. Since we're being picky about grammar, etc.
You wrote:
Do you really want your news stories to be written by people in other countries who could care less what happens in the U.S. as long as they get paid? What ever happened to responsible journalism?

The phrase is "who COULDN'T care less" because if they can still care less, that means that they do care.....

I'm guessing you want to say they are at the bottom of the caring barrel and can't go any lower in their level of caring.

That means they COULDN'T care (any) less than they do now, which would be not at all.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 04:06 PM
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46. Bad writers should be taken out and shot
Especially ones who abuse hyperbole.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 09:12 AM
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51. I blame spell check and grammar check
and the fact that nobody proof reads anymore. They proof skim.
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