Should we boycott Minnesota?

[SargeUNN]

Let's face it Michelle Bachmann is in the U.S. House of Representatives, on TV and other media regularly, votes on bills that affect all of us, but the people in Minnesota haven't moved her out of office. I know there are those who are trying to get rid of her, but a boycott of Minnesota would force the state to move on this horrible woman. What you think?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Do you, or do you not, support the boycott of AZ over their racist legislation?

[BlooInBloo]

8. Against it, but everyone should stop being so oversensitive and just pretend it's not there.

As best as I can tell, that's their position.

[SargeUNN]

10. I have stated my position on that

I have answered that already several times, but since you have missed it I guess I should tell you so you don't have to go back and find it.

I say do things that will be productive and effective to kill the law. There are those here who are working to overturn this law, and we will I believe. Since maybe you don't know what is behind the law let me try to tell you what I can. This law was NOT voted on by the citizens and a guy named Russell Pearce who is a Mormon in a heavy Mormon district that has supporters who are real Neo-Nazis like J.T. Ready are friends of his. Pearce has hood winked many due to his being a Mormon and he has the support of Grover Norquist which is heavy into the Arizona Legislature.

I however think boycotting all things Arizona is counter productive because you will likely kill off the very things fighting this horrible bill. I think to target it to those like the Arizona Diamondbacks, and other corporations that back those who voted for this bill is helpful but to boycott organizations and efforts such as we at our little radio network are making should be supported and not boycotted.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. So, in other words, no, you do not support the boycott.

You do not support the boycott of this racist legislation.

You could have just said that.

"Since maybe you don't know what is behind the law let me try to tell you what I can."

Racism. Unabashed racism. The same thing that was behind Apartheid in South Africa. How did you feel about that boycott?

"This law was NOT voted on by the citizens"

Right. The people of Arizona voted for the neo-nazis who did vote for this legislation. And if the polls are to be believed, the people of Arizona will do it again, because the people of Arizona overwhelmingly support this racist legislation.

[SargeUNN]

46. the words I used are correct and what I mean

so in other words I mean what I said and if you don't understand it then I guess you won't. I don't know how else to say use sound judgement and avoid reactionary moves that might be counterproductive. If that doesn't explain it I don't know how else to get you to understand if you really want to understand.

[MadBadger]

2. Bachmann represents 1 single Congressional district.

[SargeUNN]

12. Russell Pearce represents one district here too

and I didn't get to vote on him but you see what I have to deal with because of him. So why shouldn't all of Minnesota be punished for Bachmann.

[Bjorn Against]

18. You are not suggesting that Russell Pearce got that law passed by himself are you?

Every state has bad politicians, not every state has a law requiring police to arrest brown people who leave their ID at home.

[SargeUNN]

21. Pearce has a following and

due to the influence of the mormon community and his connections with the Neo-Nazis as well as Joe Arpaio and Grover Norquist, he has more than reasonable power.

One thing overlooked is the power that Norquist has in Arizona due to his huge business interest in this state and others.

[wolfgangmo]

40. If you really want to get rid of Michelle Bachmann...

then donate to her opponent Taryl Clark who is a sharp, progressive democrat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXUytejjemY - why she's running.

And just in case you think we haven't been trying to dump old crazy eyes for year from her crazy gerrymandered district for years ... http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2010/02/el-tinklenberg-supports-tarryl-clarks.html


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Oh and one important distinction in your attempt to "make a point." Bachmann has done nothing but provide soundbites to the insane, while the AZ legislators have actually passed a rascist law. Sound and fury vs. actual law? Which is worse?

I do not support a boycott of AZ - I support fundraising and assistance for progressive candidates. While you are at it you could also donate to CampWellstone which trains progressive candidates and campaign managers to win fights nationwide.

[SargeUNN]

48. I posted this further down. Just a question I thought of interest

47. But doesn't Bachmann vote in the U.S. House?
Didn't she have a vote on healthcare? Isn't it possible on some controversial bill she might have a deciding vote that will affect ALL of the U.S. not just a state?

[Bitwit1234]

49. By having her district gerrymandered for

her to include only the most republican districts in Minneapolis and Hickypinky county what do you expect. And what do the rest of the people in Minnesota have to do with her winning this hand picked district. They can't vote for her, they can't kick her out of office. so why in the hell don't people boycott Texas for all the crazy butt republicans there, or how about Mitch McConnel's state of Kentucky. That is a stupid idea to boycott a state because one district has an asshole for a representative.

[dflprincess]

51. Bachmann does not represent any part of Minneapolis

Minneapolis is one of the bluest areas in the state and is represented by Keith Ellison.

I'm also pretty sure that no part of Hennepin County is in her district either. The 6th CD stretches from Stillwater up to St. Cloud and has a lot of rural areas in it.

That said. If we're going to boycott a state because of one crazy politician, none of us will be going anywhere as I doubt there is any state without at least one nut.

[cali]

3. look, I love Arizona but I think a boycott is perfectly reasonable

in these circumstances- which can't possibly compared to Minnesota and Bachman, where a boycott would do nothing. Furthermore, she represents but one district in MN. The law enacted in AZ effects all residents of the state.

A boycott worked in AZ before. It can work again.

I support it.

[Bjorn Against]

4. Seven out of eight Minnesotans do not have the power to vote her out

I live in Minnesota and most people I know have never had the opportunity to vote against Bachmann, believe me we would vote her out if we could but you can't vote against someone who is not in your district. By the way Minnesota has been a blue state in Presidential elections for longer than any other state in the nation.

[rox63]

5. No way - MN also gave us Senator Al Franken

He more than makes up for Bachmann. She only represents one district, and Franken represents the whole state.

[Posteritatis]

6. If Minnesota passed a "papieren bitte!" law? Yes. (nt)

[BlooInBloo]

7. Did they enact a Jim Crow law when we weren't looking?

[SargeUNN]

11. We? I didn't know you lived in Arizona

Good contact me and you can help fight it right here in Arizona.

[BlooInBloo]

13. Yah. Because the only thing "we" could *possibly* mean is "Arizona residents".

(facepalm)

edit: I suppose that's really indicative of your bizarre view of all this. You really do think it's about *you*. It isn't. It's about *America* and whether or not Americans will allow the presence of Jim Crow laws in American states.

[SargeUNN]

20. oh you don't live here

Well since you have debated many here who do live here in Arizona and no matter what we tell you you stick with your bias view, I figured you had a huge level of understanding of Arizona. Tell you what since you are so passionate about this issue, and because we can use all who can help overturn this law, let me extend an invitation for you to come here for one week, I will let you stay in my apt. for a week but I can afford to provide food, and I will be glad to go with you to the Governor's office, Pearce office, and any other place where you can learn about things here. I will gladly introduce you to people in the Latino community here like those working on passing the Dream Act and leaders who are working to overturn this law. How about it?

[BlooInBloo]

23. (facepalm) It's not about you, bro. Really, it isn't.

It's really sad that you think the real problem is bias against "good" Jim Crow state people like you, but I suppose it explains why Arizona is the way it is.

[SargeUNN]

27. so will you accept the invitation?

oh nevermind you have shown you are not going to. Don't let us who KNOW what is going on here get in your way, what the hell would we know about Arizona and we should stop and listen to you since you are far more informed on Arizona than we are.

[CatholicEdHead]

54. Well, the two top GOP candiates for MN Gov want a similar law here

But that is away from Bachmann proper. If you want to hear nuttiness, listen to the stream of the MN GOP convention this week online. mpr.org

[Bluebear]

9. Boycott St. Trout Falls, or whatever district she covers

[FSogol]

14. Let's boycott everything!

It is the only solution. :shrug:

[madinmaryland]

17. I boycotting the Washington Nationals because of their spelling issues...

:D

[FSogol]

50. Go Natinals!

[madinmaryland]

15. Only if they set up a law requiring all Canadians to produce their paperwork!

[Iggo]

39. And check all "Canadian-looking" people for proof of citizenship.

We know what they look like. And how they dress. You get a feel for these things.

[wolfgangmo]

42. Ummmm. There is a law requiring that.

From immigration to the patriot act, Canadians living and traveling in the US are subject to being stopped and searched and handing over papers at the border to get in/out as well as on the street.

I am a Canadian living in the US. I am required to carry my federal authorization papers at all times. I NEVER leave home without it and I have the numbers of the closest Canadian consulates on speed dial just in case.

[Canuckistanian]

44. We're easy to spot

All of our official papers are written on birch bark.

[SargeUNN]

16. reason I started this thread is to ask for sensibility and

doing things that are effective in the right way. I posted a thread of how you can do so as well as another where you can get information and be part of the solution in a good and productive way, but other topics have dropped it into the little seen level. Certainly boycotting Minnesota is outlandish but any that support this woman should be avoided, however those working against her needs supports. I am calling for prudent and reasonable actions that are directed at the proper target now just any target.

[Bjorn Against]

19. So what are you asking us to do?

I only see you telling us what not to do, if you have prudent and reasonable actions that you are calling for then please let us know what those actions are.

[SargeUNN]

22. huh????

I think I stated somethings in answer to you in my last reply to you. Maybe you should go back and read it closer to see. Just so you won't have to go back again and find it.

I have stated that you target your refusal to buy stuff and support stuff at the proper targets, example Arizona Diamondbacks who donate lots of money to the ones who passed this bill, companies who supported it, and those candidates who agree with it, such as Hayworth and McCain. In the meantime don't ignore such as Rodney Glassman who is the Democrat running against McCain/Hayworth winner in the General elections. I would like to recommend a candidate that is running against Pearce but honestly I can't recommend McDonald. He is a bad candidate and not one I can endorse. I also recommend donating to Rebecca Schneider who is running against Flake and needs grassroots support.

[Bjorn Against]

25. I read all your replies to me and did not see any suggestions

I did see you suggested one other person travel to Arizona and stay with you for a week, but that reply did not come until after my post.

I don't have the time or money to travel to Arizona for a week right now, so I am going to do what I can from up here to fight back against your state's racist law. If you don't like that don't blame me, blame the people who voted for it.

[SargeUNN]

30. oh guess I didn't post this either

SargeUNN (479 posts) Wed Apr-28-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. huh????
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 03:42 PM by SargeUNN
I think I stated somethings in answer to you in my last reply to you. Maybe you should go back and read it closer to see. Just so you won't have to go back again and find it.

I have stated that you target your refusal to buy stuff and support stuff at the proper targets, example Arizona Diamondbacks who donate lots of money to the ones who passed this bill, companies who supported it, and those candidates who agree with it, such as Hayworth and McCain. In the meantime don't ignore such as Rodney Glassman who is the Democrat running against McCain/Hayworth winner in the General elections. I would like to recommend a candidate that is running against Pearce but honestly I can't recommend McDonald. He is a bad candidate and not one I can endorse. I also recommend donating to Rebecca Schneider who is running against Flake and needs grassroots support.

[Bjorn Against]

31. You edited that last part in after I had already gone to post my reply

I did respond to those suggestions below however.

[Bjorn Against]

28. I don't donate to candidates I donate to issues based groups

I would say that I would boycott the Arizona Diamondbacks, but it would be kind of pointless because they have never seen a penny from me anyways. I will certainly boycott any other company that supports this law, they are obviously part of the boycott. The only way the state is going to demand change however is if they get hit in the pocketbook, a statewide boycott will mobilize people a hell of a lot more than an out of state donation to some politician will.

[SargeUNN]

33. understand so here is something else you can do

Call Brewer, call your own senator and representives and express your concern since other states are considering such legislature and I posted a thread earlier that is a group
TrueMajority

CADENA
DREAM ACT ADVOCACY IN ARIZONA

MALDEF

and certainly you can find more.

[wellstone dem]

24. Instead of boycotting, donate to

www.tarrylclark.com

She will defeat Bachmann!!!

[wolfgangmo]

43. She has a better chance.

Since Patty Wetterlings run against old batshit crazy, Taryl has the best chance. She's a solid candidate with good political experience in getting things done and she leans progressive on issues while respecting the financially conservative rural areas. She really has a great chance to unseat the crazy one if she gets some support.

[treestar]

26. That is one representative, not a state wide bill

I could imagine boycotting her district if that's viable in any way.

[SargeUNN]

47. But doesn't Bachmann vote in the U.S. House?

Didn't she have a vote on healthcare? Isn't it possible on some controversial bill she might have a deciding vote that will affect ALL of the U.S. not just a state?

[fishwax]

29. the two situations aren't really comparable

:shrug:

If you want to boycott Minnesota's 6th District, though, go right ahead.

[SargeUNN]

34. ha ha

thanks my point exactly, focus on those corporations here in Arizona that support this hideous law and support those working to overturn it. In other words, reasonable and rational actions that are directed at the enemy not allies.

[fishwax]

36. how is that your point?

You suggested the two situations are somehow similar, when in fact they're not.

[madinmaryland]

37. Huh? You say that we should not boycott AZ, but then you say it is ok

that we focus (boycott) those that support this law, and those that voted to enact this law.

The goal is to boycott the companies that support this law and the rethugs that enacted this law. The only way to get anything to happen, is to hit the companies in the pocketbook.

[SargeUNN]

41. Generalization is wonderful isn't it?

If I say don't spend money at Company X because they support right wing extremist, but I say support Company Y in the same city because they are on the other side, then that is somehow unclear?

[CBR]

32. I think I will stick with Arizona. nt

[spanone]

38. hell, let's boycott alaska, they dumped the biggest turd of em all on us.

[SargeUNN]

45. SO TRUE

Palin and Bachmann are gifts that just can't be returned or gotten rid of.

[billh58]

52. How about we

boycott Arizona businesses and entities which support the racist "papers please" law, the "Birther Bill," AND John McCain, in order to force Arizonians to move on all three?

[Robeson]

53. What do I think? I think your post is ridiculous.

[workinclasszero]

55. Teabaggers are trying to spread their Arizona Apartheid laws

In Texas and Missouri.

If we don't boycott and stop these un-american Nazis in Arizona with a boycott, this country is well on the way to civil war, race riots and God knows what else.

I would rather boycott the racist teabaggers who will fold in a heartbeat once they realize their racism is costing them money instead of seeing blood running in the streets.

Ya know?

[Electric Monk]

56. fail