I kinda disagree with the Big Dawg

[Stinky The Clown]

He says these times are getting to be like the times just before McVeigh became to zenith of that movement back then.

I think it is worse. Much worse. We have at least as much anger. We have organized thuggery. We have militias. But today, these militias are fearless. They're not hiding. In fact, right there in Oklahoma, some elected state officials are sponsoring the formation of an official militia.(!). We have federal officials, conservative "entertainers", and a former governor using highly incendiary words. Words like "take them out", instead of "vote them out".

Overlay all of this with race, and it is stinking amalgam of generalized hate and specialized hate. White people in the hate movement(s) are fearful of the unstoppable demographic shift in the country that will soon enough see them as a minority.

These times are worse than then, President Clinton. These times are even more dangerous.

[JuniperLea]

1. I stand with Stinky...

These times are far more dangerous... the RNC has deep pockets... those TeaBaggery buses must cost serious coinage... the idiocracy is being whipped to a frenzy en mass.

We ignore them at our own peril.

[Birthmark]

6. Standing with Stinky...

...is generally a good policy, imv.

And I agree with both of you.

[lonestarnot]

2. Big Dawg has been to busy pal'n it up with Big Bushitler to notice just how bad it is I guess.

[lonestarnot]

3. Oh and come on Shitty they won't believe you either.

(a joke Pappy used to tell) :evilgrin:

[Fla_Democrat]

9. I know that joke

:evilgrin:

[lonestarnot]

14. Teehee.

:evilgrin:

[havocmom]

4. Yep, all that AND a massive chunk of states' National Guard is overseas

or just back and worn out (with not much equipment left in decent shape) We are in much worse shape than back then. And a part of the population had become dumber and madder.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Reaching for that historian's hat, and why this scares me

those years were the beginning of the civil war. We are reaching the point where I fear it is about to go hot.

They are part of a continuum though.

It took almost a generation for the actual shooting to happen at Ft. Sumter as you well know.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. That's an excellent point.

[tnlefty]

8. I concur.

I visited the Southern Poverty Law Center's site today, which I often do, and I was a little shocked at how in the open one asshat who has ties in GA was in his stating that gunshots should be fired in or around the Atlanta area so that numerous calls made to 9-1-1 would clog up the system.

Seems as if they're trying to kick up some chaos at the very least.

[spanone]

10. we have shits like hannity, palin and co.

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. It's getting worse.

But that's because the base, or foundation, is not being severely dealt with by the FBI. People turn anti-government because they don't want to be held accountable for they daily frauds that they commit in their professions. But, since the FBI doesn't sweat the small stuff, these people just progress, becoming less ethical as they go along and their little rings become bigger as they bring in more and more people. Too big to fail. Once an entire community is anti-government, you're fucked.

[arthritisR_US]

12. I agree. I can't help but think of Kennedy's last 6 months in '63. n/t

[pipoman]

13. I see it as

similar if not worse now. His analogies were great. He is spot on. This is like de javu all over again. If bush, like former Presidents of honor before him, must come out on the side of sanity on this issue. If he doesn't he truly will be remembered as the gigantic political tool in the shed.

[GoCubsGo]

15. Absolutely right.

I don't recall the MSM or republican elected officials egging on the whackos back then, like they are now. They didn't stockpile weapons and ammunition like they are now, either. I wonder what they're going to blow up this time.

[depakid]

16. There wasn't Fox "news" and every talk radio statio station in communities across America

egging it on last go around, either.

[DesertFlower]

17. i agree. i think it's worse. nt

[arcadian]

18. and you got my asshat Gov. McDonnell fanning secessionist flames.

I think all this shit is going to come back to bite these republican politicians in the ass. They think they can control the beast, they can't. The Teabaggers will turn on them as well.

[Hippo_Tron]

19. One thing I'll say in Clinton's defense is that there's been no Waco type incident under Obama

And that thing really brought out the crazies. But if god forbid there is a Waco type incident, even one that doesn't end in tragedy, things will be much much worse IMO.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. "One thing I'll say in Clinton's defense is that there's been no Waco type incident under Obama"

Yet

[Hippo_Tron]

22. Exactly

Perhaps it's not a question of "if" but "when".

[Odin2005]

21. This is NOT going to end well.

:scared:

[donheld]

23. It's growing more serious all the time

During the Clinton years was just the beginning stages of what we are seeing now.