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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:38 PM
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America: The Grim Truth
By Lance Freeman

April 08, 2010 "Information Clearing House" -- Americans, I have some bad news for you:

You have the worst quality of life in the developed world – by a wide margin.

If you had any idea of how people really lived in Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many parts of Asia, you’d be rioting in the streets calling for a better life. In fact, the average Australian or Singaporean taxi driver has a much better standard of living than the typical American white-collar worker.

I know this because I am an American, and I escaped from the prison you call home.

I have lived all around the world, in wealthy countries and poor ones, and there is only one country I would never consider living in again: The United States of America. The mere thought of it fills me with dread.

Consider this: you are the only people in the developed world without a single-payer health system. Everyone in Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand has a single-payer system. If they get sick, they can devote all their energies to getting well. If you get sick, you have to battle two things at once: your illness and the fear of financial ruin. Millions of Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills, and tens of thousands die each year because they have no insurance or insufficient insurance. And don’t believe for a second that rot about America having the world’s best medical care or the shortest waiting lists: I’ve been to hospitals in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, Singapore, and Thailand, and every one was better than the “good” hospital I used to go to back home. The waits were shorter, the facilities more comfortable, and the doctors just as good.

This is ironic, because you need a good health system more than anyone else in the world. Why? Because your lifestyle is almost designed to make you sick.

Let’s start with your diet: Much of the beef you eat has been exposed to fecal matter in processing. Your chicken is contaminated with salmonella. Your stock animals and poultry are pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics. In most other countries, the government would act to protect consumers from this sort of thing; in the United States, the government is bought off by industry to prevent any effective regulations or inspections. In a few years, the majority of all the produce for sale in the United States will be from genetically modified crops, thanks to the cozy relationship between Monsanto Corporation and the United States government. Worse still, due to the vast quantities of high-fructose corn syrup Americans consume, fully one-third of children born in the United States today will be diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes at some point in their lives.

Of course, it’s not just the food that’s killing you, it’s the drugs. If you show any sign of life when you’re young, they’ll put you on Ritalin. Then, when you get old enough to take a good look around, you’ll get depressed, so they’ll give you Prozac. If you’re a man, this will render you chemically impotent, so you’ll need Viagra to get it up. Meanwhile, your steady diet of trans-fat-laden food is guaranteed to give you high cholesterol, so you’ll get a prescription for Lipitor. Finally, at the end of the day, you’ll lay awake at night worrying about losing your health plan, so you’ll need Lunesta to go to sleep.


...snip...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25166.htm
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:53 PM
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1. That sounds about right
I really fear for this country.
You didn't even mention the dumbing down that is going on.
Truly frightening.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:58 PM
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2. K&R n/t
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:07 AM
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3. I was going to leave is Obama wasn't elected
and I feel that I should stay and fight for things to get better, but maybe I should just give up and leave, for my daughter's sake. Where to go, though....
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:12 AM
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4. Rubbish....
...and I can counter this entire screed with one statement: try drinking unbottled water in India and watch the outcome. America may be bruised and battered but our core is still strong and these post-apocalyptic visions are tiresome.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:19 AM
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6. India? You counter with India?
You are gonna have to do better than that my friend. Having a higher quality of life than India is a pretty low standard.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:27 AM
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8. +1 nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:05 AM
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104. That's A Great Bumper Sticker
"America- A Higher Standard Than India"
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:41 AM
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14. Bottled water in INDIA counters this entire screed?
:rofl:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:35 PM
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76. Hey, it's not just India.
We're a helluva lot better off than Chad and Somalia too.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 04:29 PM
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105. Don't forget Burkina Faso and Haiti.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:59 AM
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20. when did India launch into the "developed world?"
India, where we've imported our jobs...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:00 PM
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21. when did India launch into the "developed world?"
India, where we've imported our jobs...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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divideandconquer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:38 PM
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88. India has a lower murder rate than the United States
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:19 PM
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22. you are exactly right that we are now in a race with "the developing world"
the revolution of lowered expectations must have happened while we were watching american idol.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:07 PM
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25. So the counterpoint is we are the least good developed nation, but still better than India
That is pretty bad. Bernard Lewis writes about terrorism and he says a good deal of it can be traced back to the loss of status in Muslim nations in the mideast. Muslim countries used to be world leaders in science and technology. Then they were overtaken by the west. Then they were overtaken by developing nations. Then they were overtaken by even lower status developing nations. And there is a lot of shame and resentment over that according to Lewis. Muslim nations were overtaken by Europe. Then by Asian countries. Then by everyone else. As it stands Muslim majority countries generally have the worst human rights, civil rights and scientific achievements of all countries. And there is resentment over that. In fact a study back in 2002 found that the non-muslim parts of Africa had better political and civil rights than the Muslim parts. Luckily I think that is changing (freedom house rankings of muslim nations seem to show pretty good improvement from 2002-2009). But the point is people went from feeling they were on top of the world to the bottom, and it made them resentful and eager for quick (but wrong and dangerous) solutions like pan arabism and terrorism.

To me that is what the article says. We work longer hours with fewer vacation days, but because of income inequality all of the benefits go to the top. We work an extra 500 hours a year just to line the pockets of our bosses boss. Our health care is expensive and unreliable. We brutalize the poor.

We are the least good wealthy nation. But at least we are better than India. For now. But what happens when India starts to kick our ass? China is already starting to kick our ass believe it or not. They are taking the world lead in environmental R&D.

What happens in 30 years? Do we brag that we are still better than Thailand if India will be kicking our asses? Then what happens?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:22 PM
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32. Your "evidence" only hi-lights the authors point.
If your responce wasn't so sad, I would swear it was from the onion.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:34 PM
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34. So we are better off than an overpopulated third world country with a cast system. Awesome!
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 02:37 PM by liberation
Wow... talk about diminishing expectations.

BTW, I drank bottled water in India with nary a problem. I don't think you have though.

Also, it gets really tiresome the whole "we're still OK" rhetoric. We know we are still OK, but some of us are silly enough to strive for excellence. So that maroons like you can continue to live in the bestest country ever and tell us all how proud you are... so we're really trying to make you a favor here.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:34 PM
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35. Try swimming in one of our many American polluted rivers.
USA!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:39 PM
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52. Yeah!
I bet our water is also safer than Mexico's. See, we do good things.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:53 PM
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60. We can't drink the water in many second world nations
USA!USA!USA! Better then the third world!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:06 PM
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81. Better than India? High praise indeed.
I'm so old I can remember when the US had a higher quality of life than SWEDEN!
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:10 PM
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86. Amen. He still got the reccs he wanted though. nt
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:50 PM
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89. To everyone who misses the point.....
...if life is doomed here create an exodus and leave. After spending the last two years traveling to four different continents, which include those "higher quality of life" countries, there was nothing more sweet than returning to my country and what we have here.

I am an American.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:15 AM
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5. Why are the bad morons winning in this country?
I read this and know that all of this is true.

However, our country is whipped into a rabid lather, worried about "socialized
medicine." Can't these ignorant fools see that every other westernized
country on the planet has single payer? Don't these people know anything
about the world, or are they just so charmed by that clown Glenn Beck?

Is that what it is? We want our information served up with fear, some upbeat
bumper music and a whole lot of fireworks...so Glenn Beck wins out over reason,
integrity and truth?

I'm so sick of all of this. I'm so sick of the corporations making us sick,
selling us crap and putting greed before the health and safety of American
citizens.

It's so sick that this has happened to this great nation. And all of these
right-wing dingbat freaks, who don't know what the hell they are talking about--
are destroying this country.

The stupid in this country is killing our nation. Why do all of us have to
suffer because greed and stupidity is winning. And how in the world can greed
and stupidity BE winning?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:27 PM
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33. Because, once upon a time the phrase "sex sells" would get the folks in the seats...
sadly, that phrase has been replaced by "stupid sells".

When dealing with the lowest common denominator (as most ad firms do), they have to target their prime audience.

As a result, one begets the other until you don't know what came first, The stupid masses or the stupid reporting. After while it no longer matters, because that's were we are now.

The old saying, "when you are stuck in a hole, stop digging", should apply, but given the fact that same hole turns up ratings gold for the likes of faux news, they will just keep digging.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:42 PM
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54. If we had passed a HCR bill closer
to single payer it would have been wildly popular. Instead it is not popular because it sucks.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:08 PM
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92. Exactly...and we all know that...
...there will be plenty of personal horror stories to go along with this new healthcare plan.

CNN cameras will be there, in the living rooms of people who lost loved ones due to some snafu
that can be directly traced to flaws in the healthcare system.

We didn't go far enough. So, we have a mandate to participate in the same flawed system.

That way, Republicans will have their meme for the next election, "SEE! We told you that
the government shouldn't run healthcare! We told you so, but they wouldn't listen!"

It will be the death knell of healthcare reform, for at least two generations.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:35 PM
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68. From what I hear when shopping it has to be coming from rw fox and news radio.


I hear the same talking points.


It is amazing they can get people to fight so hard against health care for themselves...to the point of death threats .. Even a bit scary.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:21 AM
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7. "Consider this: you are the only people in the developed world without a single-payer health system.
That sums it up.

Our health care system is a disaster. No economic controls. No enforcement of anti trust law. No attempt to stop price fixing or prices far in excess of world market figures. As long as our health care system is run by profit motive, it will be a mess. Health care goes to those who can afford it, and that's true even with Medicare.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:32 AM
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10. That one thing alone makes it worth it to get out
Just knowing you would have health care if you get sick that won't bankrupt you would break a significant amount enslavement. Not to mention living in a country where workers actually have rights. Can you imagine actually having 4 to 6 weeks of paid vacation per year? I started looking into getting out in 2000 and, to my dismay, I was a year too late to emigrate as a highly skilled worker. My profession gave me lots of points in other countries but my age, 45 at the time, shut me out.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:40 PM
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41. It is worse than that: single-payer is the absolute minimum among every other industrialized nation
some nations offer universal cradle to grave health systems provided directly by their government.

And those who want the deluxe super-duper upgrade package, they have plenty of private insurance carriers to chose from if the basic public package is not of their licking. Funny things happen when the poor manage to make it clear to the very rich that they know there are more of them and that they have the power with their numbers...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:44 PM
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55. And just look at the price of
pharmaceuticals and with the blessing of a so-called Democratic President. The claims that Obama is a socialist are pathetic.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:32 PM
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79. It seems obvious by now, this is a great kabuki play.
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 08:33 PM by liberation
As a socialist, Obama sure makes a great neo-liberal.

Things have moved so much to the right in the past 40 years in this country, that a lot of the supposedly liberals in this site would get a heart attack... if they were to read the political platforms of actual leftist parties from other industrialized countries. It gets really tiring to see so many milquetoast center-right people trying to appropriate the banner of liberalism, now that their conservative brand is damaged beyond repair.


Oh, well.... I have seen this movie before. I assume that soon they will be saying all that their friends were telling to me when Bush was in power "if you don't like it, leave..." and the circle will be completed. Yay!
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:36 PM
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69. +1 ..sums it up indeed. nt
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:31 AM
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9. How anybody could think this is the best country in the world is beyond me
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 12:37 AM by Kievan Rus
And I've quite honestly been thinking about heading for Canada or Western Europe since I was nineteen. I initially was miffed that I couldn't legally drink at that age when I could in any other industrialized nation...but over that summer, did lots of research and learned that we were anything but the shining beacon of the industrialized world. The highest rates of infant mortality, obesity, gun violence, imprisonment, so forth and so on. That summer was eye-opening. Since then, I've dabbled with learning foriegn languages in order to make my departure more feasible.

I shelved my plans after the Obama victory in November 2008, but the ugly reaction to his Presidency from the racist knuckle-draggers and selfish corporate shills have made me reconsider settling in another country and never coming back.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:36 AM
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11. I think it's people who haven't been elsewhere and don't know people who live in other countries
They've been brainwashed by the corporate media to believe all that hogwash about 'socialist' European countries. There is a damned difference between a social democracy and a 'socialist' nation. So many people here think capitalism and democracy are synonymous when, in actuality, capitalism unrestrained is a hindrance to democratic rule.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:54 AM
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19. America's media purposefully keeps the population in an information bubble
Prime examples are CNN versus CNN International and the fact that Al Jazeera English Hasn't been allowed in.

This is clearly to keep American exceptionalism alive and kicking.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:46 PM
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56. Right you are, Turborama.
I like the term "information bubble". That is exactly what it is.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:42 PM
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72. Yup....The working class has, by and large, been brainwashed
That wasn't the case forty years ago...but then, forty years ago, we had a much higher level of unionization.

I think the media is KEY...I know a lot of people don't want to reinstate the Fairness Doctrien, but I believe that if we want something resemebling an Informed public...This Conservative domination of the media is, imo, one of, if not THE biggest factor in getting Blue Collar people to accept the RW Kool-Aid.

I believe we MUST have a balanced media, because this is and has been, affecting elections and the entire state of the republic.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 01:15 AM
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100. In 1983 50 corporations controlled most of the US media, that dropped to 5 by 2004
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 01:19 AM by Turborama


Orwellian Ghost Started a http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2708569#2712751">really good thread about this back in '08.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:08 PM
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48. Bingo! The nationalistic propaganda campaign has repeatedly been proven
astonishingly effective. The principle that P.T. Barnum and every con man in history recognizes is evidenced all around us.
:thumbsup:

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:40 AM
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13. If I were you I would get out while you can.
It's harder as you get older. Family obligations can keep you stuck.

As to the "America, We're #1!" mentality -- it's what we've been fed since infancy. When I was a kid I used to pity the Soviets for living in a society steeped in propaganda. The difference was, the Soviets KNEW they were getting propaganda. Americans don't have the ability to see they've had the wool pulled over their eyes for decades.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:02 AM
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15. There isn't a day that goes by I don't think of it at least once
I'm seriously considering a decent study in at least one foriegn language...preferably Dutch, but I'd be open to Italian, French, German, Spanish, or pretty much anything else. Then again, I wouldn't even need to learn another language if my destination was New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Ireland or the United Kingdom.

As soon as I have a good amount of money saved up and a job in another country, I'm out of here. The ship we call America is slowly sinking and it's best for me to get to the lifeboats as soon as possible.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:15 PM
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63. So Many Of Us Have Similar Thoughts On A Regular Basis... Problem
is that so many of us just CAN'T get up and leave! Most of my immediate family lives around me and it would be very difficult for ALL of us to divest what we have to "get the hell out!"

Sure, it's easy to say that's what we want, and for myself I would LOVE to give it a try, but my husband would never think of it! Certain problems with elderly relatives weigh heavily on our minds! Then we have kids and grandkids and it gets complicated!

But I do so AGREE with the OP, because I'm SICK of hearing "we are the GREATEST nation on earth" when I completely agree that we are REALLY LOSING THE BATTLE!!

It boggles my mind that when we used to have hundreds of thousands of people marching in D.C. we would hardly get ANY coverage, but yet we hear almost DAILY about the Tea Party, the who, what, where and when with them and nothing can be heard over their POUTRAGE!

What they are upset about is what many of us are upset about, but they're too dumb to know just how much HELP they actually get from THE GOVERNMENT they hate! Or the people they hate who live in it!!

I keep waiting for WE, the people who aren't bat shit crazy to rise up and roll all over them, but I don't think it's going to happen nor am I even sure it will do any good! There WAS a time, and I as a Boomer DID see that our protests were listened to, at least to some extent, but now it's like spitting in the wind!

Many days I wonder why I even get up in the morning, because I just can't wait until it's time to go back to bed at night! And THAT'S not a functional way to live, but I'm seeing far too much that actually scares the hell out of me!!

I've tried for so many years to stay involved and be an activist, but so much of America is getting the life sucked out of it and we seem to be helpless to stop it! Like watching water drain out of a tub of water!!


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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:37 AM
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12. Sometimes when I just go to the store I want to cry.
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 12:37 AM by Arugula Latte
Not so much in Portland proper, but outside of the city, in the suburbs, it's so depressing. A good percentage of the people are very chubby to obese. So many just look so unhealthy. 90 percent of the food in the aisles is like poison. And it's the same the country over. Why have so accepted these lifestyles that are killing us? Why have we put up with all our tax $$ going to prop up corporations either directly or through military contracts? People in Europe are surrounded by history and beauty. Here we have some spectacular natural scenery in many parts of the country, but so much of the man-made stuff is strip malls and big box stores.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:04 AM
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16. We are sheep.
A commodity. Nothing more nothing less.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:18 AM
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17. I have the utmost empathy for the
people living in denial that pop their heads up in threads like these.

It is rather easy to ignore the more in-depth understanding of what a systemic crises is and to see clearly how it functions and progresses. One can easily skim the media and look around, (in certain areas) to see that things are not so bad and they should be getting better. That feels good and feeling good is a viable and widespread addiction regardless of the circumstances and consequences of trying to maintain the high.

Why burst somebody's bubble? Bubbles are in these days and they range from investment tangos to a small perimeter around some people's heads, regardless of their political affiliations or backgrounds. Nobody has an exclusive on myopic realities and insulated lifestyles and awareness.

So, even though the disciples of denial surface and grumble, one has to envy their ability to remain in a comfy, velvet fairytale. It is probably better, for the interim, then to face the gruesome facts and the immense changes that will ensue. Even the intrepid Media Man won't be able to hold the wall up for long. In that case, a "Do not disturb!" sign is in order for those who cuddle peacefully with the blessed, pink bunnies of recovery and dance with the holy, butterfly-winged guardians of the quivering, emaciated Status Quo.

Everything is alright! Go back to sleep and dream the American dream! It's the best dream around.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:39 AM
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18. I prefer to deal with reality, rather than create my own false one. Thanks. Good post. n/t
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 11:48 AM by Subdivisions
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:26 PM
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23. Bill Hicks: “Go back to bed, America ...
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 12:28 PM by Echo In Light
“Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control.

Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:13 PM
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27. Poor Bill lost him when there was only 56 channels...
The guy would have had enough material for the rest of his life had he lived to see Fox News..
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:37 PM
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38. Well, whether it's 56 or 256, his point re thought control in America stands
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:53 PM
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24. Sorry Lance
but basing quality of life on what others give you, is not part of our culture, and pretending you have any clue as to how others would judge their own 'quality of life' is about as ridiculous as it gets.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:45 PM
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43. ... speaking of ridiculousness
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:07 PM
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47. Why not explain?
Please share why you believe Lance, or even yourself, have any clue as to what my definition of 'quality of life' is in order for me to be happy.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:11 PM
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77. What is there to explain?
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 08:12 PM by liberation
What, I have to do your homework too and explain your narrative. Jeez.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:39 PM
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53. What others give you?
I guess we don't pay federal income taxes. I guess we don't pay state taxes, sales taxes and fees to drive our cars and taxes and fees for TV, phones, water, heat, college....

And yet when we demand something for all the dollars we pump into this country day after day, after day, we are told someone is giving us something. Giving it to us? Is that before or after they take my tax dollars while GE pays NOTHING in taxes? Is that before or after all the medicare and Social Security tax increase Raygun gave me? Is that before or after the tax increase bush gave me?

So all our hard work, all the millions of dollars in taxes that just gets wiped out because I dare ask for something besides war for all the taxes I pay. I want health care that wont bankrupt me or my family. I want to retire BEFORE I reach 70 years old. I want a vacation now and then. Who exactly is giving me this?

I am 52 years old and every damn thing I have, I fought and worked for. I'm going to be able to draw FULL Social Security and Retire when I'm 70 year old, so will you. But someone is giving us those Social Security dollars because all the hundreds of thousands of dollars you and I put into it don't count for anything.

Damn, I wish for once in my life someone would give me something for all the money I've pumped into this country. Yet the banks get free bailouts. The uber rich get their tax dollars back if they make enough money, pay off enough politicians and con enough suckers.

Americans are stupid if they think anyone is giving anybody anything for free here in the US, unless of course you happen to be born into wealth. Then you get the poor and middle class to carry you for free.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:11 PM
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26. At least our version of Iron Chef is better
No really, I love Iron Chef America :)
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Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:46 PM
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28. Also
In this bankrupted penal colony we call home, we're surrounded by legions of religious moon-bats, hell bent on shoving a bible up our asses and a Sara Palin in the White House.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:47 PM
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29. Bookmarking for later reading and digesting
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:14 PM
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30. It is easier to manipulate an arrogant people.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:18 PM
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31. This OP is 100% true

And everyone who has lived outside the US knows its true.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:49 PM
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44. Hell, I just 'visited' and I know it's true. n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:50 PM
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58. Please, let's keep it quiet.
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 04:52 PM by Enthusiast
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:14 PM
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62. Excuse you? Why should I? n/t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:47 PM
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57. +1 n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:38 PM
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70. really?
So you agree with the author that the poorest slum dweller in Manila is better off than the average American.

Yes, of course this country is fucked up in a myriad of ways, but the piece is ridiculous.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:31 PM
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75. that's not at ALL what the OP says....
It says that the quality of life in the U.S. is near the bottom of developed nations. The "poorest slum dweller in Manila" does not live in one of those.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:31 PM
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96. Way to miss the point
He said the average American is poorer because of debt. If they want to leave they can, if we want to leave we can't because of debt and also by mentioning we work many years just to pay off the interest.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:35 PM
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36. Pretty accurate summation. n/t
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:36 PM
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37. K&R I realized all of that and more years ago. n/t
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:38 PM
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39. Right. I have had others tell me the same. But not to fear: it's about
over; there is some kind of revolution coming. I think the people have had all they can stand.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:41 PM
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42. Yeah, you keep waitin k. n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:54 PM
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61. Republicans will regain
a majority in the house and senate in 2010 and the presidency in 2012. Then we'll see some excellent legislation (that won't need 60 votes in the senate).
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 02:39 PM
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40. Dupe
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 02:39 PM by icee
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:12 PM
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45. I don't buy it....
I don't have to live in the best country, with the best house, with the best car, with the best education...blah, blah, blah....I can be happy with what I have, and I can help other people...so why the fuck should I move away from my family and friends??

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:07 PM
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46. The Corporatists want to turn us into a 3rd World country.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:31 PM
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83. Our labor would then cost them less
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:11 PM
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49. enough with this socialist claptrap!
How are the super-rich supposed to maintain their position of privilege without the continued egregious blood, sweat, and tears of the lower classes? It's "uniquely American" and all that...our ultra-wealthy need your suffering in order to thrive! Please, won't somebody think of the super-rich?!?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:11 PM
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50. Thanks, Lance and all you other ex-pats.
But, I know exactly how fucked up this country is.

I'm still going to stay here and try and make it better instead of quitting it.

No, I won't be "doing a Palin".
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:30 PM
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65. you know, moving somewhere else for a better life isn't "quitting"
I moved the the UK three years ago, and later this year I'll apply for a visa to stay longer. I have decided that I have a better shot making a good life for myself here than back in the US. Does that make me a quitter? If I'm a quitter, so were the ancestors of about 90% of Americans - those fucking quitters who just gave up on life in the countries where they were born to go somewhere else. I guess if I - like most Americans - am descended from quitters, it's only fitting that I quit too. Heaven forbid that someone were to work their ass off and refuse to limit their horizons based on meaningless political boundaries so as to make the most of themselves.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:47 PM
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73. I consider it quitting when some exes (not you that I know of) post on and on about...
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 05:50 PM by MilesColtrane
just how difficult or impossible it is to improve one's personal situation here.

It's not just the blogger in the OP, there are definitely a few on DU who use the forum to constantly rag on their former home, and who imply that those of us who haven't left are morons.

I'm not a flag-waving patriot (I don't own a flag), but my country isn't just a meaningless political boundary to me.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:36 AM
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101. it's not like a took an overseas flight, got off the plane and set, "set me up, motherfuckers!"
One of the conditions of my visa, the next one that I'm likely to get, is that I'm not eligible for many public services, such as unemployment benefits, low income housing, etc. I can and do get healthcare (so far limited to two doctor's visits in 3 years) because it's considered a human right, and that is one of the reasons that I'd like to stay.

I do love the US - I love the landscape, the culture, and the people of where I grew up, and sometimes it hurst to be away from it. Still, I do consider the country to be a meaningless political boundary. I think wanting a world without borders is a good thing - it was considered important enough to be part of the US constitution. Here, the government has paid for my PhD - that wouldn't have happened in the US, and for such specialized research, there wasn't an institution in the US who I could have even worked with to get to this point. Are foreigners who go to US universities for an education quitters because they left China, India, etc.?

Ideally it would be nice to go back to the US, but I just don't think that's going to happen for me right now. I have a life here, and I like it. I have better job prospects, a girlfriend, friends; a community. Sure, I could eventually have those things in the US too, but why would I give up on the life I've worked so hard for just so I could live in the same place as I vote?
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:24 AM
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102. How did you get the government to pay for your PHD?
I'm genuinely curious because I really want to get one but the huge cost has stopped me. Moving to the UK for a government paid PHD sounds like a good solution.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:03 AM
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103. it's not the easiest thing
It was the case that my university had received a large grant to cover research in general. Departments had to internally apply for access to that money, and within my department they received funding to cover a PhD student working in a particular field. It was a competitive scholarship, but in my case I was both the only new PhD student in my incoming year, and likely one of the few people who would have qualified to apply for it anyway, so it just worked out well (one of the staff members wrote the funding request with me in mind, so it was almost a sure-thing). I was in contact with people at the university for over a year before I actually came, and it seemed like a good fit for everyone involved and was the only place I applied. So, it's a pretty special case. In all - without considering funding - I looked into three different universities (two in the UK and one in the US) and this was the only one that seemed like a good fit, and after that I tried to work out funding, which seems to be generally how it's handled, though there are cases where a university will advertise post-graduate research positions (go to jobs.ac.uk and do a search in your field, if you're really interested).

All of that aside, higher education is generally less expensive here than in the US. There are currently a few students from the US in my department, and they all have at least fee-waivers if not extra scholarships on top of that, but I think it's always handled at the university level - it's not like applying for student loans in the US or anything. Unfortunately this past year there have been serious funding cuts to higher education because of the recession. The one draw-back of having all universities being more-or-less public universities is that a bad economy hurts all of them; there won't be a situation where one school has more money because of donors or higher tuition, etc.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:17 PM
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109. Good luck with that. n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:34 PM
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51. I say that we had better start pushing very hard to dramatically increase the minimum wage.
because it is rapidly becoming the only wage.


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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:53 PM
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59. This should frighten people
because it's true.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:24 PM
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64. I've thought
about this often.

K and R
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:31 PM
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66. oh for pity's sake
what a lame screed. So this asswipe, er, I mean great enlightened being would rather live anywhere then the U.S. I get it. He hates the U.S. And that's fine, but why not just be honest about it?

The stupidest shit gets eagerly lapped up by many here. And this, my dears, is truly stupid shit.

"In real terms, the average American is poorer than the poorest ghetto dweller in Manila, because at least they have no debts."

Who here wants to exchange their life for that of the "poorest ghetto dweller in Manila"? Volunteers?

And then there's this:

"America is actually among the least free countries on earth".

Er, no. Sorry that's simply not true. I'm by no means claiming America is the freest or the best or any of that junk but it's hardly the hell that this oh so superior being is making it out to be.

Let's move on:

"And that’s just physical freedom. Mentally, you are truly imprisoned. You don’t even know the degree to which you are tormented by fears of medical bankruptcy, job loss, homelessness and violent crime because you’ve never lived in a country where there is no need to worry about such things."

Wow, so in most other countries people don't worry about job loss violent crime? Amazing what a pure heaven the rest of the world is.


I could go on, but really the author is such a nasty piece of work and so full of shit, why bother?

He's got a raging hard on over the thought of the U.S. being destroyed and he's pulling on his little penis for all its worth.

Go fuck yourself painfully, buddy. And stay the fuck out of my poor benighted state of Vermont.


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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:17 PM
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78. wow, for being a professional victim you sure do have a forked tongue...
LOL
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:15 PM
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82. professional victim? I've never claimed to be a victim at all
try again, sweetheart. And try addressing the points I made.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:09 PM
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85. No wonder your views are slanted. You live in Vermont. I worked in Vermont for a year.
I thought it was a wonderful and joyful state...I had to move back to Shits-ville (Florida) for family reasons but still (after 5 years) miss Vermont.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:33 PM
Original message
likewise
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:07 PM
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106. Vermont? You can have the whole fuckin 50! n/t
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:31 PM
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67. Powerful article....

I had read a long time ago how Russians laughed about Pravda for example and viewed American news as much more diabolical in distortions.


knr

"At least the citizens of the former Soviet Union knew that their news was bullshit. In America, you grow up thinking you’ve got a free media, which makes the propaganda doubly effective. If you don’t think American media is mere corporate propaganda, ask yourself the following question: have you ever heard a major American news outlet suggest that the country could fund a single-payer health system by cutting military spending?"
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:40 PM
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71. Was having a bit of pillow talk
with my wife one night. She asked me if I'd come to see her if she ever ends up in a nursing home. I said that I would, of course, until the money ran out and we went bankrupt. Then it would become more difficult when the kids and I were living in the car or under a bridge. I also told her that if we lost our health insurance I would either die or bankrupt us with my medical bills because I have had some serious health problems, am over fifty and any insurance company would laugh at me if I applied for medical coverage, and as I good American I'd be expected to blame myself for it. This country is seriously fucked up.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 06:01 PM
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74. Americans have been trained to only want a MIC . . . nothing else -- !!!
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:44 PM
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80. Why the fuck would you post this shit on an American website?
And why the fuck would it be breaking records for reccs?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 09:41 PM
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84. Cuz it's true.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:08 PM
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107. The truth is the light. Let it shine! n/t
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:37 PM
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87. Because sooner or later Americans need to pull their heads out of their asses so
they can see the illusion that is life in this country.

If there is any part of the posted article that you would like to rebut, by all means, let's hear it...
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:09 PM
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108. Nothing to refute. All facts. n/t
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:30 PM
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95. they don't call it the WORLD WIDE WEB for nutt'n
FYI
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:56 PM
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90. Thanks for posting this. REC.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:00 PM
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91. I had the good fortune to live in Europe for a third of my adult
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 11:06 PM by ooglymoogly
life. And yes I would go back in a heartbeat if my roots were not so deep. I now live on the wonderful memories. I live in the east, which is not as bad as the rest of the country, in my opinion, having lived in almost every region of this country. Where there is batshit crazy religion there is batshit crazy misery and that misery runs deep; The east, not so much. The old money Rich spend most of their time in Europe and their choices are unlimited...I wonder why? When it all boils down, it is about common sense, of which this country has a very limited supply, rendering it down right mean spirited and vicious; Marching to the beat of senseless bible thumpers and corporate msm, who keep the country from rising up and demanding better.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:11 PM
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93. K&R
This is the greatest article I've read in months, possibly years. I'm only half way done and I had to say this. Everything is spot on, the illusion of freedoms which is where I am at is SPOT ON!! :applause:

Bookmarked! Thanks for posting! :thumbsup:
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:28 PM
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94. I'm ready to hit the road, I've lived abroad before for 5 years, been back for 15
and I certainly don't like what I am seeing.

the pro corporate propaganda is like the matrix, the violence of the police, the right wing, and our government, is simply brutal, unrelenting, and seems to be ratcheting up every year.

and the corruption is ubiquitous, infecting all of our institutions, right down to the supreme court.

i think it is wise to consider getting out while the gett'ns good.

gl
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:28 PM
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111. I ain't mad attcha! I'm trying my best to be outta here in 5 yrs. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:33 PM
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97. k*r Great post subdivisions!

Yep, we work our asses off and get very little for it. I admire hard work, seriously pursued but
there's got to be a reward. And there is less and less.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:29 AM
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98. Thank you, Mike! And thanks to all who commented and recced
this post. I think it's important that we all wake up and see what's behind the curtain. I don't know what can be done to change the way things are in this country, but at least some of us can choose to see our true reality.
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speedcat Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:43 AM
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99. this guy is on a major f'ng rant
but a lot of what he's saying is true

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:20 PM
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110. Check out the LBN'ers going all freeper on anyone who decides to leave the US
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